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    Best sub 1k aud espresso grinder

    Greetings and apologies.

    I am looking for a electric grinder under 1000 for espresso grind.
    There is so much information and different recommendations that I'm overwhelmed.
    Every time I pick one that may do the job I hear stories about its downfall.

    I just want as find a grind as I can get with as little mess and spillage and easy to clean, along with a good lifetime. Don't care about looks or noise so much, but they are a welcome bonus.

    The grind is for refillable Nespresso pods (waycap). Maybe in the future I'll get a proper machine. But for now...

    I need help picking because it's doing my head in

    Thanks everyone

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    Compak K3 is a tank and very affordable

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    Great suggestion - K3 is an awesome option.

    Just be wary of duty cycles, making sure you're not overdoing it if you're filling multiple pods at a time.

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    Thanks for the recommendation guys.
    Should I go for the touch or push?
    Cheers

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    Oh yeah, I forgot how messy compaks can get...
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    Thanks Paul. I'll put an order in soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Hi dkman.
    I sell the Compak k3 but I'm not a fan. It's messy, with static and avalanching due to the rubber flap in the chute.
    Please take a look at the Quamar Q50P. You can read up about it here:
    www.kbean.com.au/coffee-grinders/quamar-q50p-ii
    Cheers, Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkman View Post
    Greetings and apologies.

    I am looking for a electric grinder under 1000 for espresso grind.
    There is so much information and different recommendations that I'm overwhelmed.
    Every time I pick one that may do the job I hear stories about its downfall.

    I just want as find a grind as I can get with as little mess and spillage and easy to clean, along with a good lifetime. Don't care about looks or noise so much, but they are a welcome bonus.

    The grind is for refillable Nespresso pods (waycap). Maybe in the future I'll get a proper machine. But for now...

    I need help picking because it's doing my head in

    Thanks everyone
    The Macap M4D is, depending on color choice, within your budget. Plenty of support for the Macap range on this forum .
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkman View Post
    Greetings and apologies.

    I am looking for a electric grinder under 1000 for espresso grind.
    There is so much information and different recommendations that I'm overwhelmed.
    Every time I pick one that may do the job I hear stories about its downfall.

    I just want as find a grind as I can get with as little mess and spillage and easy to clean, along with a good lifetime. Don't care about looks or noise so much, but they are a welcome bonus.

    The grind is for refillable Nespresso pods (waycap). Maybe in the future I'll get a proper machine. But for now...

    I need help picking because it's doing my head in

    Thanks everyone
    Ask three CS'r's and get 7 opinions...

    Here is my 2 cents worth - nothing will separate me from my two Mahlkonig Varios... after two year it is getting to the point that everytime I see an italian grinder I shudder - noisy, messy, too much grind retention and lousy particle spread. Some of them also chew up burrs - any burr needing bedding in is made of crap steel AFAIAC. Of course YMMV.

    I posted this recently Grinder upgrade from Breville smart grinder

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    I recently supplied some Quamar Q50P's for a customer. They are excellent grinders; quiet, small adjustment steps and reasonably compact. Much smaller than my K3. Come in a nice range of colours too. I will probably be replacing my K3 with one some point soon.

    A note about the duty cycle and something that I did not know before I got the grinders, it's rated at 20s on and 6 min off. This seems remarkably excessive seeing as it takes around 17s to grind a double shot. This would mean you grind for a double shot then make the coffee and wait for 6 minutes before using the grinder again.
    This realistically is not feasible or practicable.

    I used it to make 4-5 shots in a row and it wasn't even getting warm. I think if I kept going at that rate it would start to heat up but for normal domestic use this shouldn't be a concern.

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    Best sub 1k aud espresso grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Absolutely - so true
    Haha, yes... Here are my 2⅓ opinions.

    For filling pods you don't need a timer, or an especially clean grinder as your most effective method will be to bulk grind into a container then measure into the pods.

    My recommendation would be either a quality hand grinder (Comandante is very nice and well within your budget) or the Compak or Quamar as above, along with a decent set of scales for accurate/consistent filling, a jam funnel for filling, and a nice container (kulfi moulds work well and look good; container and funnel will set you back about $5 each from a kitchen/catering supplies shop).
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    Quote Originally Posted by noidle22 View Post
    A note about the duty cycle and something that I did not know before I got the grinders, it's rated at 20s on and 6 min off. This seems remarkably excessive seeing as it takes around 17s to grind a double shot. This would mean you grind for a double shot then make the coffee and wait for 6 minutes before using the grinder again.
    This realistically is not feasible or practicable.
    Yes, that is an odd duty cycle for a supposedly prosumer type grinder...
    What is the quoted output rating of the motor noidle22, and is there a gearbox between the motor and the grinding head?

    In a normal scenario, it is the number of times and in what space of time that the grinder is started that causes most of the heat generated. Also places more stress on the Start/Run Capacitor too, resulting in additional heating. What sort of ventilation is observable on the unit? If it is fully enclosed, that could be an issue and a possible reason for the stated duty cycle...

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    I own a K3, an M2M and an M4D. I don't find any big problem with the K3 in terms of mess (or anything frankly). Maybe it's a function of my method and peripherals (i.e. an OE dosing funnel).

    Relative to the M2M, you don't need as many beans in the hopper / throat to maintain a consistent grind (this is no knock on the M2M).

    Obviously the M4D is a different beast, but costs quite a lot more than either the K3 or M2M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    3 elec grinders - that's doing it with style Barry.

    I also have 3. This morning I wanted to try a new bean out so I had to bring out number 4 (the Handground).

    The M2M is a great little grinder and there's nothing wrong with the K3 I agree. I just don't see a place for it now we have the Q50P available for only a few $ more.
    Cheers, Paul

    I started with the K3. Then bought the M2M to use for decaf / aeropress / cold drip grind, and to take away with me when I head to the hills. Then a forum member advertised an 18-month old M4D for $700. So the K3 is now in the office, the M2M is somewhere in the house, and the M4D runs every morning.

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    The duty cycle on the Q50p as quoted above is really odd. Does it follow thru in the bigger Q grinders too? Even at home that duty cycle would render the grinder technically unable to make 2-4 coffees back to back. The M4D is a much better choice I would guess.
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    Best sub 1k aud espresso grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Good suggestion Matt. However, I wouldn't recommend the Compak K3. Compak E5 are excellent though but they would definitely blow the budget
    Good thought - nek minit OP buys a decent espresso machine and has to upgrade from a K3 - whereas the Quamar will do the job admirably. May as well future-proof for a few $$$ more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukemc View Post
    The duty cycle on the Q50p as quoted above is really odd. Does it follow thru in the bigger Q grinders too? Even at home that duty cycle would render the grinder technically unable to make 2-4 coffees back to back. The M4D is a much better choice I would guess.
    I've just picked up a Q50E secondhand and was also wondering about the duty cycle in the manual, if you were to follow that you would struggle to do 2 coffees back to back.

    In saying that I pumped a decent amount through in one hit dialling it in and didn't get warm or struggle at all.

    Do any of the sponsor who sell these know what the go is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    What is the quoted output rating of the motor noidle22, and is there a gearbox between the motor and the grinding head?

    What sort of ventilation is observable on the unit? If it is fully enclosed, that could be an issue and a possible reason for the stated duty cycle...
    It has a 200W motor. I believe the motor is directly coupled to the burr.

    Good call on the ventilation, I hadn't considered that. The body is totally enclosed as is the base, no vents anywhere on the grinder. That would explain the duty cycle.

    I'm unsure why they haven't included some vents somewhere, most grinders will have them in the base at least if not on the body as well somewhere.
    The design of the body would be compromised with vents but why there isn't any on the base is strange.
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    Hi everyone I'm new here and just recently purchased a Q50p. After seeing the talk about the Q50p's cycling I thought I'd run mine through eight grinds 18g back to back measuring the temp of the motor housing and the ground coffee. I used a infrared thermometer. here are my results: ambient temp was 20.15c.
    Q50p housing before starting 22.second crack. Ground coffee
    1st grind 22.3. 22.3
    2nd. 22.3. 22.4
    3rd. 22.5. 22.6
    4th. 22.6. 23.0
    5th. 22.7. 23.5
    6th. 22.7. 24.0
    7th. 23.0. 24.6
    8th. 23.2. 25.0
    I hope this helps. I didn't notice a rise in temp around the housing (by feel). Maybe the cycling is more important in warmer climates. this was only a quick observation feel free to pull this apart. (Gently please)
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    Thanks. I dashed over to the supermarket and bought a kilo of beans for $12 to do the test with. Not sure what to do with the rest of those coffee beans. I know! I'll serve them up to the inlaws. 😈
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    +1 for Vario - almost no grind retention, perfect for filling 1 basket at a time (other grinders struggle without a fuller hopper), conical ceramic burrs, small so good for bench real estate.

    The only con I can come up with is that it's more plastic than metal, but had it for 3 years so far and not one problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Good thought - nek minit OP buys a decent espresso machine and has to upgrade from a K3 - whereas the Quamar will do the job admirably. May as well future-proof for a few $$$ more.
    K3 served me well for 8 years paired with a giotto premium plus. Not sure how the quamar would be an improvement in the cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregoryw9 View Post
    +1 for Vario - almost no grind retention, perfect for filling 1 basket at a time (other grinders struggle without a fuller hopper), conical ceramic burrs, small so good for bench real estate.

    The only con I can come up with is that it's more plastic than metal, but had it for 3 years so far and not one problem.
    G'day gregoryw9

    A minor correction - the Vario has flat burrs. Conical burrs always* have twin peaks in their particle spread, and I avoid them for "almost certainly related" taste reasons.

    Reliability: Considering a Vario has a Swiss made Ditting commercial "plug in" module under the bonnet, I do not expect any major problems unless some hamfisted idiot** misuses one. My older Vario is getting close to / over the 200Kg mark whilst my newer Vario would be barely over 10Kg to date. There is no sign of wear on the older one yet. Impressively, the ceramic burrs are impossible to distinguish between the two to the point that I have marked them (texta) so I do not mix them up. Mahlkonig reckon their ceramic burrs outlasts their own tool steel burrs by a factor of three - I am starting to believe it.

    The rest is plastic so the average person can lift and the standard kitchen bench can support them. They also compromised the tuning pegs (their term, grind adjusters to the rest of us) by making them much smaller and lighter weight than their bigger cousins - which is why the manual states you must always have the motor running when moving them to grind finer. Two of my friends failed to read the manual and have popped their adjusters out of whack - no big deal, however an unnecessary 5 minute job is needed to reinsert them properly.

    The Varios are the first home grinder I am 90% happy with, next would be my Major at about 60% (90+% for cafe use). The perfect home grinder is hopefully on someone's drawing board - until then my Varios stay...


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    Conical burrs:* I know of no exceptions, but I will state "virtually always" just in case there is some weird conical out there which doesn't do a "dual peak" spread. The more conical, the more pronounced and also the more spaced out the peaks are. I reckon that is why they have a reputation for a distinctive taste - one I do not share in an espresso (obvious as an ex Major owner).

    **On the destructive note: I have seen a "mostly wrecked" Major (which would have to be one of the most solid flat burr grinders around) when one of Conan's relative got hold of it. I bought it "non functional" a long time ago for either $20 or $50 and then fixed it for about $30 if I remember correctly. Many trouble free years followed (as one would expect). Nothing is truly idiot proof.
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    Pretty happy with Vario for the past 2 years, hasnt missed a beat & was a noticeable upgrade over my breville smart grinder.
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