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    Hi folks. I've been lurking for a while but this is my first post.

    I currently have a mazzer mini manual but the sweeping and cleaning is slowly getting to me so I was thinking of upgrading and wondering what the CS consensus is on what to get.

    I only make espresso and was thinking of trying to find either a second hand HG one or versalab m3. I'm after something the same size or smaller than the mazzer mini that is good quality, gives a great grind, is great for single dosing and doesn't look plastic and terrible on the kitchen counter. Manual or electric doesn't bother me, just don't want to have to deal with sweeping and purging all the time.

    Thoughts or alternatives?
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    T64 or the ECM equivalent.

    Against the MM, both are much faster, doserless, and produce high quality grounds and excellent results in the cup. All in a smaller or same size place on the bench.

    I made a very similar upgrade from Macap M4 to the T64.

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    Compak e5, macap m4d

    Lots of options whats your budget

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas87 View Post
    Hi folks. I've been lurking for a while but this is my first post.

    I currently have a mazzer mini manual but the sweeping and cleaning is slowly getting to me so I was thinking of upgrading and wondering what the CS consensus is on what to get.

    I only make espresso and was thinking of trying to find either a second hand HG one or versalab m3. I'm after something the same size or smaller than the mazzer mini that is good quality, gives a great grind, is great for single dosing and doesn't look plastic and terrible on the kitchen counter. Manual or electric doesn't bother me, just don't want to have to deal with sweeping and purging all the time.

    Thoughts or alternatives?
    M4D or Eureka ATOM

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    Hi Mthomas,
    M4D are brilliant
    I had a mazzer mini and changed due to the same issues
    Been very happy with mine
    Cheers

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    Sub $1000 would be preferable (hence second hand) but I could possibly be convinced to stretch if it's something I'm never going to have to upgrade

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas87 View Post
    Sub $1000 would be preferable (hence second hand) but I could possibly be convinced to stretch if it's something I'm never going to have to upgrade
    We have the M4D for sub $1000 and the Eureka ATOM for a touch over.
    Feel free to call if we can help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Dave View Post
    Hi Mthomas,
    M4D are brilliant
    I had a mazzer mini and changed due to the same issues
    Been very happy with mine
    Cheers
    Hi, would you consider it an upgrade in grind quality though? I would have thought it would be very similar with the same size burrs and similar quality. Not sure I can justify paying for a side-grade.

    I'm also in Sydney if that makes a difference (or if anyone has a secondhand HG One or M3 they're looking to offload).
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    T64 or the ECM equivalent.

    Against the MM, both are much faster, doserless, and produce high quality grounds and excellent results in the cup. All in a smaller or same size place on the bench.

    I made a very similar upgrade from Macap M4 to the T64.
    Thanks, I'll have a look at the T64. Hadn't come across that one yet. Do you brush out the chute or have some sort of purging routing?

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    Literally a 1 second purge for the first round of the day and that's it.

    The funnel stays clean as.

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    I would say the T64 probably isn't ideal for single dosing due to the grind retention. You can't brush it out unless you remove the antistatic screen so you have to purge. Otherwise great grinder that will last years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas87 View Post
    Hi folks. I've been lurking for a while but this is my first post.

    I currently have a mazzer mini manual but the sweeping and cleaning is slowly getting to me so I was thinking of upgrading and wondering what the CS consensus is on what to get.

    I only make espresso and was thinking of trying to find either a second hand HG one or versalab m3. I'm after something the same size or smaller than the mazzer mini that is good quality, gives a great grind, is great for single dosing and doesn't look plastic and terrible on the kitchen counter. Manual or electric doesn't bother me, just don't want to have to deal with sweeping and purging all the time.

    Thoughts or alternatives?
    I think you may like the HG-1. The manufacturing quality is unbelievable. Even the end caps for the grinder handles are CNC'd aluminum. I never saw one for sale second hand here in Australia. You may have to wait a long time for a second hand unit to come up, if at all, in Australia.

    It's great for single dosing and if you are trying different beans. The grind adjustment mechanism is fantastic and much better than the first HG-1 version many years ago.

    I have espresso so I am not changing the grind by large steps if at all. It takes me about 20 seconds to grind 22grams of beans. You can put all the beans in at once or do so in two or three parts, as the less beans in, the easier to grind.

    The size is ideal and it doesn't look heavy on the bench.

    The manufacturer has shipping sales where the shipping cost is reduced to $95USD which is much less than what the shipping cost would otherwise be, even with the exchange rate. This is how I purchased mine recently. My budget was $1500AUD.

    So far, I don't think I will ever need another grinder.

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    As you mentioned cleaning, just thought I would add, it takes me about 20 seconds to clean the top burr and bottom burr area after grinding on my HG-1.
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    Thanks for the info cfeo. Looking back through the sold items on here I think I saw one m3 and one HG-1 (really hard to search for though because the search engine says the word is too short).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas87 View Post
    Hi, would you consider it an upgrade in grind quality though? I would have thought it would be very similar with the same size burrs and similar quality. Not sure I can justify paying for a side-grade.
    You are not going to notice a difference in the cup at your budget. You are getting speed and cleanliness.

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    If you don't mind manual - a Lido-E
    The flavour profile is as close to a big conical as you're likely to get. No retention. Great for swapping / trialing beans. And you can take it on hols!
    Cheers Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    You are not going to notice a difference in the cup at your budget. You are getting speed and cleanliness.
    Trawling through the sold items here I've seen a HG-1 go for $1000 and an M3 go for $1600. If that's an end-game kind of home grinder then I don't mind waiting around for another one to pop up or if it's worthwhile and the sweeping is really driving me crazy I could be convinced to order a new HG-1 (definitely not a new M3 though).

    Curious as to whether the HG-1 is a better way to go than the T64 or something similar as new they're not too dissimilar in price.

    DesigningByCoffee: How different is the Lido-E to something like the porlex? I have one of those and an aeropress for trips/camping.

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    DesigningByCoffee: How different is the Lido-E to something like the porlex? I have one of those and an aeropress for trips/camping.[/QUOTE]

    The Lido and Commandate are very different beasts from the Porlex. The Porlex is a great match for the aero press but I wouldn't recommend it for espresso grind.
    Both the Lido and Comandante will give conical style electric grinder results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas87 View Post
    Trawling through the sold items here I've seen a HG-1 go for $1000 and an M3 go for $1600. If that's an end-game kind of home grinder then I don't mind waiting around for another one to pop up or if it's worthwhile and the sweeping is really driving me crazy I could be convinced to order a new HG-1 (definitely not a new M3 though).

    Curious as to whether the HG-1 is a better way to go than the T64 or something similar as new they're not too dissimilar in price.

    DesigningByCoffee: How different is the Lido-E to something like the porlex? I have one of those and an aeropress for trips/camping.
    I considered the Lido-E and it would be something I might get later for trips away. I use the HG-1 as a bench grinder for everyday use. I would say the main difference when I was considering grinders was the T64 is a flat burr grinder and I wanted a conical grinder as I believe conical grinders give a better taste. Not that everyone can tell, or cares, I just wanted the conical (my prior grinder was a conical).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    DesigningByCoffee: How different is the Lido-E to something like the porlex? I have one of those and an aeropress for trips/camping.
    The Lido and Commandate are very different beasts from the Porlex. The Porlex is a great match for the aero press but I wouldn't recommend it for espresso grind.
    Both the Lido and Comandante will give conical style electric grinder results.

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    Second the above. Absolutely no comparison when it comes to espresso.
    I've got the Lido 2, which I bought for holiday aeropress use & roast sampling for espresso before I began dosing the big conical. I was shocked at how good it was back to back with the Robur. In fact, I think that the Lido gives a superior result to a single dosed Robur - richer & better crema. Not much, but some!
    Be aware though, at espresso settings, it is a work-out. So large entertaining may be a drama! I think the Lido-E is a slightly finer burr so easier on the arm
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    Yep. I have a Porlex Mini and a Lido E-T. For occasioanl aeropress use the Porlex is fine, but if you are going to be using it for an extended period it gets a bit wearing on the shoulder joint. It also fits nicely inside the Aeropress. Because I'll frequently spend a couple of months overseas, last year I relented and bought the Lido E-T. While it is overkill for Aeropress work, it is twice as quick as the Porlex, and much easier on my shoulder (for 5 of the last 9 months I used it 3 times daily).

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    Porlex - ew.

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    Where are you guys getting the HG-1 new? Their website says they stopped making them 2 years ago....

    edit: ignore that, just saw the new LW site producing them now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas87 View Post
    I currently have a mazzer mini manual but the sweeping and cleaning is slowly getting to me...
    A complete tangent (and a little late) but what mods have you done to help with the sweeping and cleaning? If I mention the cocktail shaker, lens hood and clean sweep mods have you done all these?

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    I changed my Mini mazzer over to a Eureka Atom. I love it! Super quiet. Great grind and clean. It's also about 2-3 times fast than my Mazzer. Most importantly, my wife loves that it doesn't wake my son up in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbk View Post
    I changed my Mini mazzer over to a Eureka Atom. I love it! Super quiet. Great grind and clean. It's also about 2-3 times fast than my Mazzer. Most importantly, my wife loves that it doesn't wake my son up in the morning.
    Can confirm, great grinder and super quiet. I have two at work already, and considering pulling another one out of the box to take home.

    You'll get a double dose out in less than 10 seconds. Mazzer Mini is 30s +.
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    My Forte is still kicking along strong. ����
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    The Mazzer Mini is known to be a slug. It's a high quality grinder, but it's very slow.

    Near the $1000 mark there are a number of quick (circa 10s for 20g) grinders such as Quamar M80, Profitec T64 & Baratza Forte.

    Feel free to play with my Grinder Explorer here:
    Bit of a slug eh? perhaps, mine is 7 years old and never missed a beat, no it ain't a speedster, however get your work flow in order and grind time is of little consequence.

    On reading this immediately thought of the children's story of the Tortoise And The Hare, I suspect a lot of Mazzers will still be in active service long after many of the greased lightning machines are being used for spare parts.
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    I have owned a MM for 10 years and only recently upgraded. They are a great grinder. People knock them for being slow but they grind consistently and are built like tanks. I upgraded because I wanted to get away from the sweeping and mess. I ended up with a Fausto but there is several grinders that are in the same class and all are great grinders.
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    Have often wondered about fitting a doserless hopper to the Mini, priced one as a spare part once, expensive as I recall, if anyone has one they're not using give me a heads up.
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    Make your own out of a fudge funnel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyjj21 View Post
    Make your own out of a fudge funnel?
    Checked out a few of the conversions.

    Fudge funnels are not readily available in Aust. (seems there should be a pun there somewhere)

    Don't want to stuff around drilling, cutting and shutting, If I do the conversion it would need to be quick and easy, seems with a doserless hopper changeover only a couple of screws involved.

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    Is an icing funnel too narrow? (as well as attracting fewer undergraduate chortles )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Is an icing funnel too narrow? (as well as attracting fewer undergraduate chortles )
    Not sure Barry, as I said, would like to keep the mod as simple as possible, remove and replace two screws sounds pretty simple to me.

    My feeling is it would also look a lot neater than what I could probably do.

    Must be an unused doserless hopper sitting on a shelf somewhere in Oz, perhaps an ad in the buy/sell forum may produce a result.
    (done)
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    Wasn't there a popular jam funnel mod going around a few years back?

    I'm all for simplicity, but if a simple mod saves serious coin there's normally a market for it.

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    Another option is to make one out of a donut funnel, they can be found relatively cheaply if you google and the diameter of the body fair closely matches that of the actual Mazzer one.

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    Thanks for the suggestions people.

    If I cant find a doserless hopper will leave it as a doser, no big deal.

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    $25 to $30 for a donut funnel/ piston funnel/ fudge funnel. The usual auction site has them available with free delivery to Australia. Remove the handle and central plunger, and then cheap fibre cutting disk's on a Dremel to do the rest of the work.

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    Think I've made myself pretty clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Think I've made myself pretty clear.
    Thought it'd be clear by now Yelta, everyone else knows what's best for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by magnafunk View Post
    Thought it'd be clear by now Yelta, everyone else knows what's best for you
    So it seems.

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    You might be better off seeing if this can be fabricated from a suitable sized tin.

    https://www.espressoparts.com/mazzer...ic-doser-chute

    It's for the Mazzer Mini-e but might fit. Check the dimensions in the last pic. Yeah, I know, I looked at this option once and decided i couldn't be @rsed so mine remains dosered

    Excuse the link to a commercial site but in case Javaphile consigns it to cybertrash, google "mazzer mini doserless kit" and check the Espresso parts entry. Coffee Parts sells them for about $300.

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    For those playing at home I now have an m3 and a hg-one. Got both second hand by being extremely lucky.

    Haven't had much of a chance to try the m3 yet but the hg one gives a really nice extraction. Getting beans into the funnel and grinding under cabinets isnt perfect though. Might take it in to work and see if we can motorise it.

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    My Forte just died and am considering buying an MMe (a) but off this post I am now less sure. I'm espresso only and love light roast flavour profiles. I wonder if I am heading down the right path with the Mazza? May be the Atom?

    Also, I am wondering, for those who use the Lido E-T for espresso, what are you using for the shot? Again I'm checking my logic, but the portability of a manual grinder seems a waste if you have to use an espresso machine to pull a shot.

    Thanks

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    The Mazzer Mini has been outclassed by new grinders. ATOM is certainly one of them
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/grinders/eureka.html
    Or maybe a Macap M4D
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/macap-m4d.html

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    As a recent Atom owner, I am suitably wowed by it. Incredible piece of kit.
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    Had a mini mazzer for 8 years, built like a thank and consistent....
    Using a chrome Quamar 50E now: love it!
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    Kony-E goes ok... 🤔

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    Have to say I get a little miffed re the constant knocking of Mazzer grinders Paul, other sponsors still keep them in their range, there are many satisfied owners in Oz

    People get the impression it's a crap brand, not so, other sponsors still choose to keep them in their line up.

    I agree they are slower than some of the newer offerings, however they are an excellent grinder and will outlast many of the newer offerings.
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    Agreed Yelta. Mazzer is a top end and reliable brand.
    A very comparable grinder to Macap and Compak for a top end home grinder is a Mazzer Super Jolly electronic with a small (mini ) hopper.
    Fast , accurate , efficient and durable
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