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Thread: Advice on grinder for espresso

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    Advice on grinder for espresso

    Apologies because I know there is already much information and many Threads but I'm seeking the wisdom of this group for grinder recommendations that best suit these particular criteria.

    - low volume usage (2-3 shots in morning).
    - low volume in hopper - tend to weigh beans per shot (and not have them live in the hopper) so a grinder that is suited to that & will hopefully not be too bad with respect to popcorning/clumping.
    - minimal grind retention.
    - easy to vary settings.
    - to be used with a Rocket Giotto.
    - we drink milk based coffees (don't know how relevant that is).

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    There is a wide range of grinders that will meet your criteria spanning a fair $ range. You could basically almost any doserless grinder and it will fit all your criteria. Milk based drinks makes the choice even wider (in my opinion) as the milk masks some of the subtle differences you would expect will be more apparent in espresso or long blacks.

    Perhaps provide a budget and this will narrow down any suggestions.

    Cheers

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    Conical burr
    HG-1
    Settle 270W

    Flat burr
    Mazzer mini doserless (the one with bigger burr)

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    I have similar volumes/type of coffee drink and recently bought a Sette 270W grinder from K-Bean. Great prices and no hassle service!
    https://www.kbean.com.au/coffee-grinders/sette-270w

    The 'W' model includes built in scales so weighs the ground coffee as it falls into the PF. There is a cheaper version without the scale If you're doing your weighing pre grind.

    What I like about this grinder is its compact size and consistent fluffy grinds. Also by its design the beans go in at the top (I had a laugh as most do!) and are distributed into the PF or container directly underneath the conical burrs, with limited retention as a result.

    Some say it's noisy but TBH I don't find it any noisier than I'd expect a grinder to be. It's also pretty fast!

    I'm using it with a Breville bes920 and making some really consistent shots of good, no great tasting coffee!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilun View Post
    Conical burr
    HG-1
    Settle 270W

    Flat burr
    Mazzer mini doserless (the one with bigger burr)
    Thats a short list and without justification for your recommendations worth a little less than the time you put into it.

    To answer the OPs question a budget is required or my shortlist is mythos one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    There is a wide range of grinders that will meet your criteria spanning a fair $ range. You could basically almost any doserless grinder and it will fit all your criteria. Milk based drinks makes the choice even wider (in my opinion) as the milk masks some of the subtle differences you would expect will be more apparent in espresso or long blacks.
    Perhaps provide a budget and this will narrow down any suggestions.
    Cheers
    Budget isn't really an issue but common sense is, ie. there's no point going ott for the criteria and setup mentioned. Looking for something that's very good for the kind of use described. To me, the point about weighing beans and grinding one shot at a time seems relevant, ie. no weight on the beans. Is that a big issue in itself and more particularly, do some grinders handle that better than others or do ppl recommend keeping the hopper at least half full? The grinder will be in a fairly sunny room so prefer to not have beans just sitting in it.

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    Thanks for all the Feedback. The Sette 270/W, Quamar Q50P & Macap M2M/D (or even M4D) were definitely in my thinking. For the criteria above, does one standout? or one not mentioned?

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    Advice on grinder for espresso

    We now stock the full Eureka grinder range. The Eureka Mignon 50e is in the mix here. Timed dosing and very accurate adjustment .
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/grinders.html
    Fits nicely between the M2M and M4D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crema_Lad View Post
    I have similar volumes/type of coffee drink and recently bought a Sette 270W grinder from K-Bean. Great prices and no hassle service!
    https://www.kbean.com.au/coffee-grinders/sette-270w

    The 'W' model includes built in scales so weighs the ground coffee as it falls into the PF. There is a cheaper version without the scale If you're doing your weighing pre grind.
    I second great prices and customer service from K-Bean

    But whaaaaat built in scales.. does it really, that's awesome!! I'm considering getting a new grinder very soon, either this now or the Quamar Q50P...
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    I have used a few grinders and used them all for single dosing beans into hopper. The small conical burr in a lelit combi style machine (they sell under a few different brands with the same internals), Breville smart grinder, K3, A8, sette. All work well with this technique. Yes some tend to popcorn a bit at time but just run it a bit longer to grind the lot. If you feel you can't have any retention just grind through for a second or two.

    It will come down to what you like the look and feel of, try to get hands on with them as it can sway your decision.

    There is a huge choice and like I said before all will cover your criteria.

    Cheers

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonsk8r View Post
    I second great prices and customer service from K-Bean

    But whaaaaat built in scales.. does it really, that's awesome!! I'm considering getting a new grinder very soon, either this now or the Quamar Q50P...
    Sure does! Has built in Acacia based scales, will allow for 3 presets or on demand (pulse) grinding. Was a little temperamental in the beginning (sensitive to vibration and uneven surfaces) but past that now. Really impressed with this grinder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post

    Quamar Q50P - a good looking commercial grinder, built like a tank, quiet, static free grind, neat and tidy and GREAT VALUE. Also, built to last and I know after 100+ sold without a single warranty claim. Cons: small grind retention like every commercial grinder.
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    Sette 270W - a high end domestic grinder with blistering grind speed, fluffy grind, close to zero grind retention, conical burrs, and the cherry on the cake: Acaia scales built in to grind by weight. Cons - not as good looking and the Q50P and definitely won't last as long.
    Nice ... and if you were going to add the M2M into the mix, what would your nice little 2 line synopsis be? ... and are any of them better suited or less effected by not having a weight of beans in the hopper?

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    Thanks for that Paul appreciate it muchly (sorry for hijacking the thread a bit haha, what an attention seeker!), both seem great.. love all the features of the Sette (little to no grind retention, scales, which I'm sure can be overcome with just purging a little and using my other scales) but longevity is important.. hmm.. will ponder that haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    It will come down to what you like the look and feel of, try to get hands on with them as it can sway your decision.
    All the advice you need.

    I think looks and adjustment mechanism for grind fineness are key - given everything is good (although Sette isn't commercial so won't last as long - and that's not anything against it, the commercial stuff just goes on and on and on in a home).
    You need to look at it and use it every day.

    Having read a gazillion grinder reviews, shoot-outs etc, my summary is: the differences are minimal as far as taste goes, only discernible in espresso and are 0 in milk.

    Be happy there's so much awesome choice out there.

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    We are all just assuming the sette won't go the distance, but it may well (and should really if you believe the life quoted) last many many years in a home setting. I hope they do!

    Cheers

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    Options, options, options...
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    There's also an M4D in the marketplace for $750 if you're not averse to buying second-hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    There's also an M4D in the marketplace for $750 if you're not averse to buying second-hand.
    A Chrome one I think. In melbourne, near new condition I believe
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    More options.... black, white, black,white, black...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post


    More options.... black, white, black,white, black...
    Awesome line-up! That Atom really is a neat little unit 🤔
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    Grinder porn really

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_Bean_Coffee View Post
    Sette 270W - a high end domestic grinder with blistering grind speed, fluffy grind, close to zero grind retention, conical burrs, and the cherry on the cake: Acaia scales built in to grind by weight. Cons - not as good looking and the Q50P and definitely won't last as long.
    Steady on! I thinks the Sette 270w has quite a look to it, with a unique design. But it does lose points for the entry level looking control board.Functional not not pretty. Anyway beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Just aks my wife, still not sure what she sees in me ha ha!!

    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    We are all just assuming the sette won't go the distance, but it may well (and should really if you believe the life quoted) last many many years in a home setting. I hope they do!
    eek I hope they last a few years! Time will tell but wouldn't Its bigger brother, the Vario and their other grinders be an indicator as to expected longevity? The Vario seems well regarded from what I've seen.
    Last edited by Crema_Lad; 7th July 2017 at 06:16 PM. Reason: Replied in original quote
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    Haha... "But, if you're thinkin' about my grinder
    It don't matter if you're black ooor white.."

    "Don't tell me you agree with me
    When I saw you dosing supermarket beans in my griiiinder"


    XDXDXD
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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    We are all just assuming the sette won't go the distance, but it may well (and should really if you believe the life quoted) last many many years in a home setting. I hope they do!

    Cheers
    Sette v the other options - not built to same ballpark for longevity.

    Not bad, just not same.
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    I'm thrilled to be part of this thread.

    Hope no one tells me to beat it.

    Cheers
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