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    i've been involved in a indiegogo project before and i guess one thing i observed was that things that go well go really well but alot of stuff just runs out of momentum. that happened for me but i was able to get my money back when no one else turned up to support the project.

    i wonder what the lower limit run number is for them and i hope they get there because i do think a single dosing conical is a great idea. as someone who just put a deposit on a monolith it has me thinking all sorts of thing i can tell you. for me timing would be an issue, 2018 delivery is a long way off.

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    Hmmmm... $650 over a 10 month waiting period works out at $2 per day-ish, based on current estimated savings - making my own espresso v buying retail - I have to consume one more double espresso per day to save for the new grinder - Yippee! If the project doesn't fruit and I forfeit the 650smackos, I'll be happy that at least I got to enjoy the extra shots . Or maybe Ill get lucky during the Spring Carnival.

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    I am still on the fence on this project, I have backed one failed Kickstarter project but did have successful with another on Indiegogo. The failed kickstarter was the first project I ever backed.. it was less than $50 , so not a big loss.. I was sucked into the big promises by a team of young startups, and if i think back now, the prototype they had never really showed functionality that was promised. On the other hand the second project I backed was another product of the same nature, and although delayed by couple of months, was eventually delivered in full.

    One thing that this project has going for it, is a working prototype that has been reviewed and used extensively by a third party (paid, but he did make full disclosure), and from my limited search, the designer does seem to be an experience engineer. However, many of these project fail between the stage of working prototype and full-scale production - and that's the major risk I see in this being delivered.
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    I would be backing this now but just on the fence regarding the lack of portafilter holder...

    I really do like being able to grind direct...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justacuppa View Post
    I am still on the fence on this project, I have backed one failed Kickstarter project but did have successful with another on Indiegogo. The failed kickstarter was the first project I ever backed.. it was less than $50 , so not a big loss.. I was sucked into the big promises by a team of young startups, and if i think back now, the prototype they had never really showed functionality that was promised. On the other hand the second project I backed was another product of the same nature, and although delayed by couple of months, was eventually delivered in full.

    One thing that this project has going for it, is a working prototype that has been reviewed and used extensively by a third party (paid, but he did make full disclosure), and from my limited search, the designer does seem to be an experience engineer. However, many of these project fail between the stage of working prototype and full-scale production - and that's the major risk I see in this being delivered.
    Well your lucky then, it was designed by an oldie and another old git (me) reviewed it, so lots and lots of experience there. Sure I was paid, but nothing in life is really free is it? those "free" reviews, go look at them real hard and see what free gets you. I spent more than 90 hours reviewing/testing that grinder. I'm not going to do that for nothing and at least it goes to charity. However in my disclosure you can read my personal rules and i stick by those. If a company came to me and offered to pay me to produce an advertorial, I would tell them to go f$%k themselves (any companies reading this please take note).

    i'm retired and happily so, no need to work and as such I try and do as little as possible.

    Remember, if people don't back it, you guarantee it will never happen, after all it's only the cost of a 3 flat whites per week over 10 months....

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    hi davec,

    I hope my post didn't offend you in anyway, I was pointing out the fact that you made full disclosure meant there was nothing to hide, and it didn't have any bearing on the way you reviewed the unit - anyone who took time to read the report would have seen length and scrutiny you put the machine under. Perhaps I should have made it clearer in my original post, that it is very rare (to my knowledge ) and great to see (as a potential backer) that a prototype is put under an extensive review process in its intended environment, and I have the greatest respect after reading the 17 pages of detailed analysis you produced - as an engineer myself, I do enjoy a detailed report! Going through your youtube videos just made me want one even more...

    Now, I must go find my hidden stash somewhere , as I would have hard time explaining the whole concept of "crowd-funding" + 9 months of wait to SWMBO - made harder by the fact she does not drink coffee...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec View Post
    Dunno to be honest...I just tested the grinder...I guess that's something you need to ask Niche. I don't know enough about Aus compliance requirements, I would imagine they must be certified in UK and Europe...perhaps that's enough for Aus? You guys use the same electrical voltage as us don't you....but your plug is upside down, with some of the pins being a bit crook (is that the right term).
    Dave just for the record that doesn't meet Aus requirements, the data for that can be submitted to gain Aus compliance. So technically it would be illegal to connect a Niche Grinder to our electrical system, and your insurance would be void. Really not much risk with a grinder, not like a coffee machine about to start shipping into Aus, but worth knowing the facts.



    PS I noticed the Indiegogo page now has the CoffeeSnobs logo on it under a prominent "Featured In". I assume this post must be the 'feature article' or is there somewhere else I can read more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    Dave just for the record that doesn't meet Aus requirements, the data for that can be submitted to gain Aus compliance. So technically it would be illegal to connect a Niche Grinder to our electrical system, and your insurance would be void. Really not much risk with a grinder, not like a coffee machine about to start shipping into Aus, but worth knowing the facts.



    PS I noticed the Indiegogo page now has the CoffeeSnobs logo on it under a prominent "Featured In". I assume this post must be the 'feature article' or is there somewhere else I can read more?


    This trend of overseas manufacturers direct selling non compliant electrical equipment into Australia is a real problem. The government needs to pony up and provide a lightweight solution to help people to do the right thing. If you import it and it damages people or property you are liable. If you then decide you want to sell it and upgrade it you cant without breaking the law. If you break the law and sell it 2nd hand so you can buy your next toy and the buyer suffers damage to people or property you might be criminally liable. The situation is screwed.
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    Does that mean that if I plug my 1999 UK bought Nokia 3210 into Australian mains to recharge it I am breaking the law?... and does the same apply to visitors/tourists to Australia that bring in all sorts of portable electrical stuff. Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Does that mean that if I plug my 1999 UK bought Nokia 3210 into Australian mains to recharge it I am breaking the law?... and does the same apply to visitors/tourists to Australia that bring in all sorts of portable electrical stuff. Just wondering.
    Most people don't have a problem, it's when and if there is an insurance claim that thing get interesting.

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    Melbroaster and Yelta you are right. A mate of mine bought a project home on the Gold Coast, had a European sounding but no name dishwasher in it which flooded the place and did about $25k damage. Turns out the builder bought a job lot of non approved dishwashers cheap - which was the first thing the assessor picked up. I stopped asking the result after about 9 months as it was painful for him, I know the insurance company wanted him to chase the builder. Very ugly situation. I cant help but think the Decent Espresso machine, with water and electricity inside one machine, no Australian approval and being the very first model has also to be a potential risk for Au purchasers. I would personally wait for the Au approved one after my friends experience. A grinder you turn on and off, a coffee machine is likely turned on by a device and on for hours unattended.
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    Well if I have to have everything that is to Australian Standards Compliance then I'd better build a house of white asbestos, have it cladded in the very popular highly flammable aluminium sandwich boards that keep exploding and drive a zero emissions VW with a Takata air bag. :-)
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    Big problem in Oz these days is that we have an abundance of decent regulations for all manner of things, but the policing of said reg's has been woefully under-resourced....

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    Well if I have to have everything that is to Australian Standards Compliance then I'd better build a house of white asbestos, have it cladded in the very popular highly flammable aluminium sandwich boards that keep exploding and drive a zero emissions VW with a Takata air bag. :-)
    We clad all our council housing hi rise apartments and schools with something very similar......

    As for the regs in Australia, I really have no idea guys, that's what I tried to say already. If you want the low-down on that, simply contact Niche and ask them.

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    Niche Zero Coffee Grinder

    Backed this one, the only risk I've taken is that I'll lose some money, if it helps others to get an affordable grinder better than anything else out there at $600, then I'm willing to take that risk. All the best with the build Niche.
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    Have jumped on the band wagon on this as it does look interesting and if all comes to fruition then I think I will have an excellent single dose grinder..

    Good luck Niche and will eagerly be awaiting June 2018

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    When it comes down to compliance...if you have an ECD on your power circuits, then it is perfectly safe.

    I would worrry about higher probability events like getting hit by a meteorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    When it comes down to compliance...if you have an ECD on your power circuits, then it is perfectly safe.

    I would worrry about higher probability events like getting hit by a meteorite.
    Do you mean an RCD?

    Not too sure what that has to do with compliance?
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    Compliant things should be safe, but safe things are not necessarily compliant
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    I'm in !!!!!!
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    Looks interesting. Pity it's so fugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Looks interesting. Pity it's so fugly.
    That's what he said...
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    It isn't the most handsome fellow. I already made the joke I think about it being Italian inspired design based on the Leaning Tower of Pizza....

    It could also just be a unit left in the sun for too long, quite possible especially if a high fat white chocolate is used in the design.

    Of course, pioneers end up wealthy and happy or with arrows stuck in their back and their faces in the mud. They often acquire intestinal parasites and die of typhoid fever.

    Overall, the chances of bad things happening are probably not catastrophic, more like a loud noise followed by silence then a lot of email and phone calls maybe and a few tears and broken crockery and marks in the wall (easily fixed with filler and some paint). The unit then needs shipping internationally for repair.

    If you want to be the first on the block with a new toy though then you have to live dangerously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    If you want to be the first on the block with a new toy though then you have to live dangerously...
    And that I will
    if I found a grinder that I could single dose with that cost around $1k and didn't take up the space of a small fridge I would have brought it but I couldn't find said grinder. Granted it may not look the prettiest but neither does my orange minion and neither does a mazzer SJ or Robur without the hopper to me.
    hopefully it turns out to be a good purchase or I'll have to learn some new repair skills as already decided I won't be sending it back to UK for repairs.
    Fingers cross and hurry up mid 2018
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    Doesnt the sette fit that brief?

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    Niche have extended their offer again. Also existing backers can get a special deal of extra grinders at the original 350 with no extra delivery costs...
    Any Melbourne based peeps interested, collection in Elwood

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    Same offer as Timmy but for Sydney peeps - Live in Abbotsbury but would be happy to travel (a bit).

    Cheers,

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    Guys just a word of caution , the extra grinder will make the value of your delivery above $1k and attract GST plus clearance fees, so it will end up more expensive than purchasing any additional grinders at the current price of 360 and paying for shipping.

    What I don't get is that as we live outside of UK, we should be paying less for the grinder without the VAT..
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    Ahh.. a very good point and yes we should not be paying VAT. Not sure how they will work that one though as funds have already been deducted.

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    We are not buying a product, we are making a donation towards a project with a free grinder being a perk. Therefore VAT doesn't come into it, but unfortunately Australian Customs wouldn't see the grinder as having no value!
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    Just watching Gruen which included a discussion about the use of the word "game changer" and how this is now generally regarded in the advertising industry as an immediate turn-off to consumers, who see it as overblown rhetoric. This would explain the initial negative reaction at the start of this thread. Niche probably should reconsider where their marketing advice is coming from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otago View Post
    Just watching Gruen which included a discussion about the use of the word "game changer" and how this is now generally regarded in the advertising industry as an immediate turn-off to consumers, who see it as overblown rhetoric. This would explain the initial negative reaction at the start of this thread. Niche probably should reconsider where their marketing advice is coming from.
    The ad looks hilarious with the fake "real life" people giving testimonials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justacuppa View Post
    Guys just a word of caution , the extra grinder will make the value of your delivery above $1k and attract GST plus clearance fees, so it will end up more expensive than purchasing any additional grinders at the current price of 360 and paying for shipping.

    What I don't get is that as we live outside of UK, we should be paying less for the grinder without the VAT..
    If a single grinder purchase is delayed just a little bit in delivery to Australia, ie after July 1 2018, won't we be paying GST then anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridoros View Post
    If a single grinder purchase is delayed just a little bit in delivery to Australia, ie after July 1 2018, won't we be paying GST then anyway?
    That would suck, so much for an early bird special.

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