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Thread: Second hand Rocky or stretch for new Macap M2M?

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    Second hand Rocky or stretch for new Macap M2M?

    I've just picked up a used silvia - now looking for a grinder.

    Initially I had though of picking up a used Rocky as they come up often, but after doing some reading I've come across the Macap M2M.

    Just trying to work out if it's worth the stretch? Or any other recommendations?
    The Compak K3 has come up as well and seems to be another good option being Stepless.

    Main use will be for Espresso, but might start to venture into some other methods (pour over, drip) down the track.

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    People who have owned a Rocky mostly have positive things to say about them. I had mine for twelve years and it was great. It is very easy to change from one grind to another. It is also built like a tank with a massive burr assembly which will always give a good grind.

    It is also easy and quick to adjust to go from one grind to another if you are switching between different uses.

    I sold mine for over half of what I paid for it and it was still in good condition when I sold it. Parts are easy to get too.

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    I had the same query with my Sylvia when I was changing from a Sunbeam 480 for a better grinder. I liked the idea of the Rocky as it matched the Sylvia perfectly but in the end, and after a little more research decided on the M2M, mainly based on the build quality, little retention and little mess (when compared with Rocky). If you do decide to go Rocky, don't go Rocky Doser tho as you'll have grinds in the container going stale very quickly. The grind on demand one (doserless) is the one to go for IMHO.

    I've not tried the Rocky so can't comment, but have heard positive things in terms of value for money (if you can get one S/H for a good price). The cost of these new is getting closer to the cost of a M2M which you can get new for $500.

    The M2M is a superb grinder and is very neat, easily adjustable with the collar, built like a tank and delivers grinds reasonably quickly in a very neat pattern with little spill and hardly anything left in the chute. I have never had any clumping issues and the grind is lovely and even. A nice little hopper in smoke grey which a gate slide so that you can take the hopper off with beans inside. Given my time again I would have gone for the M2D which is a timed doserless model of the M2M and costs a little more.

    I have had mine for around 18 months and just looking at trading up to a Fausto which costs 3x the M2M so that gives you an idea of how good the M2M is when you have to spend so much more to get a lot better.

    Like anything if you can try both, then that is the way to go. I dare say you'd be happy with either, but for my money I went the M2M. The K3 was the other contender but for me the aesthetics of the M2M particularly in a rare gloss white won me over.

    You'll love the Sylvia, it is a superb machine, highly recommended on this and other forums because it is so good, and yet still under-rated in my opinion. I have just recently swapped mine for a Rocket Giotto EVO which is lovely, but there's not so much difference in extraction, rather the convenience of being able to steam and pull shots without having to wait for the boiler to re-heat for steam. Enjoy the Sylvia, she's a lovely thing!

    If I decide to sell my M2M I'll list it on here and give you first refusal, but I might well keep it, it's so nice.

    Here is my M2M sat alongside my EVO
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    I was in the same situation as cookster and yourself - looking to upgrade from the Sunbeam (which i still keep for decaf) and decided to go with the Rocky doserless mostly because it came up at the right time, right price and gets decent reviews.

    Pros - its relatively cheap second hand usually between $200-$300 depending on age & condition ($mine was $250)
    Its an entry level flat burr, but built like a tank (no seriously they weigh so much and are sturdy as anything)
    Gets a pretty nice distribution and can be modded to be stepless which I have done
    I like the aesthetics of it, particularly the aqua green, steel & black combo and it doesn't look or feel cheap like a Sunbeam

    Cons - Stepped. It's probably the biggest drawback, but it can be modded to stepless fairly easily.
    A bit slow - grinding takes more like 8-10 secs, but unless you are in a cafe it's no problem.
    There is a bit of retention and isn't that easy to clean out (must disassemble etc)

    If money were no object and I could choose I would have gone with something bigger & better like the M2D, K3 or a mazzer, but the Rocky is a solid machine and I don't feel the need to upgrade straight away.

    Second hand, for the right price a Rocky is hard to beat in terms of quality and performance, but you will find very few who would consider it their 'dream' grinder.

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    The Rocky is a nice match with a Silvia. There is something pleasing about having the same brand grinder and machine side by side.

    The biggest negative of the Rocky (as opposed to say the M2M ) is that it requires two hands to operate. One to activate the switch to grind and one to hold the group handle in place. Grinders like the M2M, K3 etc have the activation switch activated by the group handle placement.

    We can help with a new M2M or Rocky if you decide to go down that path
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/macap-m2m.html

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    Thanks for the replies - cookster, that white M2M looks fantastic!

    I do like the look of the M2M, but also like the idea of matching machine + grinder!
    From watching reviews I had picked up on the two handed operation of the Rocky vs the group handle activation switch on the M2M which I do like the idea of.

    Thanks for the support Antony, I might just take you up on the offer!
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    I've owned all 3 of your options (Rocky, M2M & K3 touch. I very much support Cooksters comments. The Rocky is a decent grinder but not so great in doser format. The K3 is also very serviceable but the touch function is not full (or fool) proof. The M2M is clearly the best IMO.

    I currently have as my work set up a Silvia matched with the M2M and together they both produce great shots. At home I have the M4D and a Rocket Giotto. To be honest the difference in the cup is not that great given the difference in cost. I also use an Orphan Espresso funnel on both grinders and have minimal mess as a result.
    I also support what Antony has said regarding only needing one hand to operate the M2M. He is very knowledgeable and good to deal with.

    So it's the M2M for me!
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    It isn't necessary to match size although looks in the kitchen do matter. I personally thought that Rocky was a handsome devil even if a bit punch drunk, dribbled a bit and wasn't too verbal.

    I would recommend the Mazzer Robur, it weighs only 28kg and stands 730mm tall and you can pick up a second hand one for almost the same price if you look around. Seriously though I saw a Fiorenzato F5 which is very similar to a Mazzer Super Jolly for $150 in gumtree. Such a grinder is outstanding and probably better than one you are looking at and cheaper. Don't be afraid to buy an ex commercial grinder in gumtree. These are often outstanding value for money and will last forever. The downside is that they are often of industrial appearance and are BIG.

    I still have a pair of Godzilla boxer underwear shorts I bought on ebay, it says on them 'size does matter'.

    Let out the inner serpent out and be a real man.

    Note: that like Trump these opinions of mine mean nothing and are subject to change from moment to moment depending on my testosterone and dopamine levels in my brain and what I have purchased recently on gumtree...I had a laugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post


    I still have a pair of Godzilla boxer underwear shorts I bought on ebay, it says on them 'size does matter'.
    As long as they also include the warning 'May Contain Nuts'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookster View Post
    I had the same query with my Sylvia when I was changing from a Sunbeam 480 for a better grinder. I liked the idea of the Rocky as it matched the Sylvia perfectly but in the end, and after a little more research decided on the M2M, mainly based on the build quality, little retention and little mess (when compared with Rocky). If you do decide to go Rocky, don't go Rocky Doser tho as you'll have grinds in the container going stale very quickly. The grind on demand one (doserless) is the one to go for IMHO.

    I've not tried the Rocky so can't comment, but have heard positive things in terms of value for money (if you can get one S/H for a good price). The cost of these new is getting closer to the cost of a M2M which you can get new for $500.

    The M2M is a superb grinder and is very neat, easily adjustable with the collar, built like a tank and delivers grinds reasonably quickly in a very neat pattern with little spill and hardly anything left in the chute. I have never had any clumping issues and the grind is lovely and even. A nice little hopper in smoke grey which a gate slide so that you can take the hopper off with beans inside. Given my time again I would have gone for the M2D which is a timed doserless model of the M2M and costs a little more.

    I have had mine for around 18 months and just looking at trading up to a Fausto which costs 3x the M2M so that gives you an idea of how good the M2M is when you have to spend so much more to get a lot better.

    Like anything if you can try both, then that is the way to go. I dare say you'd be happy with either, but for my money I went the M2M. The K3 was the other contender but for me the aesthetics of the M2M particularly in a rare gloss white won me over.

    You'll love the Sylvia, it is a superb machine, highly recommended on this and other forums because it is so good, and yet still under-rated in my opinion. I have just recently swapped mine for a Rocket Giotto EVO which is lovely, but there's not so much difference in extraction, rather the convenience of being able to steam and pull shots without having to wait for the boiler to re-heat for steam. Enjoy the Sylvia, she's a lovely thing!

    If I decide to sell my M2M I'll list it on here and give you first refusal, but I might well keep it, it's so nice.

    Here is my M2M sat alongside my EVO
    Firstly... how cool are those portafilter holders!!! Did you make those or buy them? They're awesome
    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    It isn't necessary to match size although looks in the kitchen do matter. I personally thought that Rocky was a handsome devil even if a bit punch drunk, dribbled a bit and wasn't too verbal.

    I would recommend the Mazzer Robur, it weighs only 28kg and stands 730mm tall and you can pick up a second hand one for almost the same price if you look around. Seriously though I saw a Fiorenzato F5 which is very similar to a Mazzer Super Jolly for $150 in gumtree. Such a grinder is outstanding and probably better than one you are looking at and cheaper. Don't be afraid to buy an ex commercial grinder in gumtree. These are often outstanding value for money and will last forever. The downside is that they are often of industrial appearance and are BIG.

    I still have a pair of Godzilla boxer underwear shorts I bought on ebay, it says on them 'size does matter'.

    Let out the inner serpent out and be a real man.

    Note: that like Trump these opinions of mine mean nothing and are subject to change from moment to moment depending on my testosterone and dopamine levels in my brain and what I have purchased recently on gumtree...I had a laugh
    Hahaha... XD

    Anyways, I used a Rocky doser model for close to 8 years (still have it and use for filter), used for both espresso and filter.

    It's an awesome grinder, and served me well for a long time! Regarding the dosing chamber, it's actually really super easy to clean old grinds out. I'm meticulous with getting old grinds out, so just ran a brush around the chamber and got them out, easy. This was in between every shot too haha. Quick vac if need be.

    Pros:
    -Easy to use. Unlike the doserless, you can turn the switch on, so you have hands free to hold the portafilter and flick the lever.
    -Large stepped adjustment range. Actually was very easy to change grind setting between espresso and filter, and it's a very wide range. For plunger I would do about from steps 40-50, pourover 30ish, Aeropress 20-35, espresso between 7 and 13 max.
    -Easy to use for single dosing, and changing grind or using different beans.
    -Solid build, solid burrs, consistent grind.
    -Pretty clumpfree because of the doser function.

    Cons:
    -Can't remove hopper easily, have to unscrew it, and even if you did that to decant any beans, there's no sliding gate to stop beans from falling out. So if filling the hopper and hopper dosing, might need to keep the beans in until used. (I only ever did single dosing with it though)
    -The dosing vanes don't extend to the edges of the chamber, so it leaves a wall of coffee around the edges (but easily bypassed this, I just ran the pointy end of a chopstick around the wall and it all got pushed into the basket )
    -Steps are quite large in their effect on yield change.. (can be overcome with easy stepless mod, or just altering dose on small amounts)


    That being said, I'm not sure if the Rocky has been upgraded in the meantime, depends if the new model is different (unless you get secondhand obviously)

    But I've heard great things about the M2M, I've just never used one so can't comment on that. Either way I think you'll be happy with it, sounds like you're more swaying towards the M2M, go for it

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    I wouldn't hesitate to go for a grinder with a doser. Doserless is the latest fashion and sure there are good reasons to go doserless too but doser models are often cheaper as well due to supply and demand. The Doser does result in a bit more wastage but not much and as a bonus it mixes up the coffee and breaks up clump much more effectively than a cone such as on the Mazzer Mini.

    One thought is to get a Mazzer Mini Doser. I saw one second hand for $350 and I thought this is a steal, I'd almost buy it myself.

    Don't get hung up on buying A or B, cast a wide net. Look at Doser and doserless, look at what is on sale second hand on CS and look on gumtree. Buying brand new is overrated especially for grinders which last a helluva long time.
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    Firstly... how cool are those portafilter holders!!! Did you make those or buy them? They're awesome


    Hi Simonsk8r

    The portafilter holder was made by myself. I looked all over the spot for one, and the only thing I could find was one in Europe made by ECM which cost a fortune. This one cost me less than $10 plus a bit of black paint which I had laying around. It works a treat and looks ok I reckon, and sometimes its nice too when you know you've made something yourself.
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