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    First Grinder- Under $1000 Recommendations

    Howdy guys
    I'm chasing recommendations for my first decent grinder for under $1000

    I have been making coffee for 2 years with my Sunbeam EM7000 and my Breville BCG600 Dose Control Pro and have recently reignited my passion for coffee when @Level3ninja helped me obtain a naked portafilter. I've noticed my shots blond very early and go watery very fast. I've done some troubleshooting with help from @TampIt.
    I've been dosing 18g which is too much for Sunbeam OEM baskets and should be dosing 16g, however I already grind to the finest setting on my grinder to make 18g produce the ideal ratio 1:2 over 25-30 secs.
    The only variable I have left is my grinder not being able to grind fine enough and I'm ready to upgrade it (shims are on the way though).

    I'm a bit lost when it comes to grinders but I know for espresso I should buy doserless and stepless.

    I am prepared to spend 1K max on the grinder as I plan to upgrade my machine to about 1k next year.

    I'm most seriously considering the Mahlkonig Vario Grinder from feedback from ninja and tampit, plus the price and reviews
    But I am also looking at:
    Mazzer Mini
    Macap M4D
    Compak E5 OD
    Eureka Atom

    Any advice, feedback and recommendations are appreciated

    Thanks
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    Niche but you will have to wait for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyjj21 View Post
    Niche but you will have to wait for it!
    How do you reckon it's niche? or is that 'nicee' haha
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by science-teacher View Post
    How do you reckon it's niche?
    Cheers

    A few threads below yours, the brand name is Niche - Niche Zero Coffee Grinder

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    I hate to do this and sound like a sales man... But....If you were willing to go a little over $1000 I would suggest any of the Eureka Grinders. I have the Eureka Zenith 65E and couldn't be happier. I came from using a Macap M4D and i have to say there is a massive difference... I believe the Atom is also of similar spec to the Zenith. No Clumping, timed and nice looking. Dont know what else you could ask for..

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    Please buy second hand. You will get a huge choice of great grinders cheap out of gumtree or even just put offers in on eBay and see what you can get.

    Inside $1000 will get a host of lovely grinders, some Super Jollys can be had for less than $500. Grinders with Doser go especially cheap as they are not the fashion at the moment.

    A lot of cafe grinders such as Majors and Robur although big can be found under $1000 too if you can fit them in your kitchen.

    I would look at Mazzer Mini in fact any Mazzer ,Macap or Fiorenzato.

    Grinders are the least problematic thing to buy second hand, they either work or they don't and the large commercials will run for decades in a home.
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    First Grinder- Under $1000 Recommendations

    I can vouch for the Eureka Atom, my dad has one and I find it great. My only complaint is the portafilter fork is just the wrong size to fit inside a 58mm naked portafilter and can kind of get stuck while you're grinding. It may be a little slower than the m4d, don't think you can get slower than a Mazzer mini (but speed doesn't matter really in the big scheme of things). The Atom feels very modern with it's colour screen too. Oh I forgot to mention it is very quiet too.
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    I just bought a Quamar Q50 and could not be happier with it. It has steps, but I feel the gradations are so fine, that it does not detract from fine-tuning. Works beautifully with a 58mm portafilter, and is so even and quiet it's spooky.

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    I would also recommend the Atom-10 months use now and it is a keeper. It is used in conjunction with a Eureka 65E and both have their place in my household. I use standard E61 PF's and can vouch for them not getting stuck in any way in the holder
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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeechris View Post
    I have the Eureka Zenith 65E and couldn't be happier. I came from using a Macap M4D and i have to say there is a massive difference...Chris
    curious what the differences are? i have a M4D as well and any excuse to upgrade should always be investigated
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    Hi st,.mate If your not after a grinder that does the 1/4 mile in 5.3 seconds then i can also recomend a Mazzer Mini. Just purchased my first prosumer grinder from CS Site sponsor Mike at spicebean and could not be happier .

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    With a 1k budget and a bit of luck, you might be able to get a second hand large flat burr grinder like a Mazzer Major or maybe even a large conical. Just to share my experience: When I decided to upgrade my grinder from a Breville one (not dose controlled) I really really wanted a Mazzer Mini, because that's what I see everywhere and I liked the brand. I ended up getting a deal I could not refuse on a Macap M4 doser and I can say the M4 is way better than a Mazzer Mini IMO. Having played with a friend's Mazzer Mini, it is pretty obvious that the micrometric grind adjustment vs Mazzer's stiff as ^$*^% adjustor is reason enough. The sweeper tolerances in the Macap are also superior to the mazzer's so you get less grind retention. Plus the price of the M4 is lower than the MM new. Both are 58mm flat burrs and offer similar grind performance though. Oh and just to add....after the grinder upgrade, I was blown away by how much better my shots were. It was like night and day. And I have a Breville Duo Temp pro, which I really love btw. I cannot imagine what difference it will make to a higher end machine.

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    If you don't mind waiting/hunting you can pick up a used HG One hand grinder for <$1000. Not for everyone though.

    My first major coffee purchase was a breville bes920 and a mazzer mini doser together for $1000. Both barely used and made some pretty good coffee. Considering that you'll pay about that much each for them new it's sometimes worth looking around for a bargain.

    I'm a big fan of buying second hand if you're the type that likes to try things out and upgrade/sidegrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemoo View Post
    curious what the differences are? i have a M4D as well and any excuse to upgrade should always be investigated
    I can probably chip in here with our observations of the Macap M4D and the ATOM.
    We sell both and we always used to recommend the M4D as our go to grinder around the 1K mark.

    The ATOM however does offer some benefits.

    I never used to consider the M4D as a clumpy grinder, but when you put it next to the ATOM its a different story, The ATOMs grinds are beautifully fluffy and 100% clump free. There is a very real difference in grind quality and lack of grind spray.

    I like the adjustment more, which is significant when the adjustment of the M4D is considered way ahead of the Mazzer mini, the ATOM is a step ahead again. It is much easier to move between grind settings and the way the adjust happens through movement of the bottom carrier it is much easier to clean or replace the burrs and reset at your standard grind setting

    There is not much between the two on speed and of course the ATOM is significantly quieter.

    That's enough IMO to justify the price difference

    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/eureka-atom.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    I can probably chip in here with our observations of the Macap M4D and the ATOM.
    We sell both and we always used to recommend the M4D as our go to grinder around the 1K mark.

    The ATOM however does offer some benefits.

    I never used to consider the M4D as a clumpy grinder, but when you put it next to the ATOM its a different story, The ATOMs grinds are beautifully fluffy and 100% clump free. There is a very real difference in grind quality and lack of grind spray.

    I like the adjustment more, which is significant when the adjustment of the M4D is considered way ahead of the Mazzer mini, the ATOM is a step ahead again. It is much easier to move between grind settings and the way the adjust happens through movement of the bottom carrier it is much easier to clean or replace the burrs and reset at your standard grind setting

    There is not much between the two on speed and of course the ATOM is significantly quieter.

    That's enough IMO to justify the price difference

    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/eureka-atom.html

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    I just noticed Antony the chrome version is a little extra, is that due to an alloy body or similar - or is just a bit more expensive to chrome plastic? (Assuming the standard body is plastic)

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    Yes it is more expensive, we weren't sure about the chrome with the extra cost.
    However some enquiries and orders (from the CS community) allowed us to place a small order of the chrome from Italy.
    The chrome is actually about 6 to 8 weeks from landing here.

    Cheers
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    Always nice to have choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    I just noticed Antony the chrome version is a little extra, is that due to an alloy body or similar - or is just a bit more expensive to chrome plastic? (Assuming the standard body is plastic)
    The standard body is almost all aluminium, the only plastic section is the concave section behind the portafilter holder, which you can see is black across all colour options anyway. The 4mm? thick aluminium body is a large part of the reason for its low volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 338 View Post
    A few threads below yours, the brand name is Niche - Niche Zero Coffee Grinder
    Haha, my apologies

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    G'day guys
    Apologies for radio silence.

    I have read all your recommendations and feedback.

    Where I'm at at the moment. I'm sick of buying used crap and having it conk out on me, I'm willing to spend extra for new.
    I really want a Mazzer Robur but my 1 coffee a day does not justify the cost or the size. The mazzer mini is apparently a miss due to retention., but is there one inbetween that is recommended?

    I am leaning towards the Macap M4D or the Eureka, but it is my understanding it is relatively new on the scene and I want something that we're sure will last 10 years or more. Maybe a mazzer kony but they are apparently quite large still.

    The thing I am thinking most is I want something that has plenty of spare parts in case I manage to stuff it up, and something that is commonly used so that other coffee snobs can help me out.

    P.s. In regard to doser or doserless. I plan to only put the coffee I'm grinding in the hopper (16g), in theory I could just dose until it's all out, so I don't think that will be an issue for me, will it?
    Stepless is a must as it lets minute changes in grind to be made in my understanding.

    Thanks guys

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    Both Eureka and Macap have been around for a good while and you'll not go wrong with either. I don't think there's a bad grinder around at this price point so it might just be a case of going for which you fancy the look of the most. I like Macap (just moved on from one) but I really like the stepless adjustment wheel on the Eureka too. The Macap M4D comes highly regarded but for me looks a bit like a dalek. The Atom is loved by those that have them and the fact that you don't often see them come up secondhand indicates that they are keepers. Eureka Zenith 65e has largish burrs and comes in on budget too. Quamar have nice grinders too, if you like the dosing funnel style (which I do).

    Enjoy the challenge and go for the one you will like the look of on waking up

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    Hi Science teacher,

    Both Macap and Eureka have been around along time.

    In fact Eureka make grinders for other companies and brand them for them. Think Mythos 1, Rocket Faustao, Nuova Simonelli MDF.... just to name a few.

    The ATOM is their new model and is built to the same high quality as their other models.

    We offer a short hopper option on the Zenith which makes it a better fit for the home environment
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/grinders/eureka.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookster View Post
    Both Eureka and Macap have been around for a good while and you'll not go wrong with either. I don't think there's a bad grinder around at this price point so it might just be a case of going for which you fancy the look of the most. I like Macap (just moved on from one) but I really like the stepless adjustment wheel on the Eureka too. The Macap M4D comes highly regarded but for me looks a bit like a dalek. The Atom is loved by those that have them and the fact that you don't often see them come up secondhand indicates that they are keepers. Eureka Zenith 65e has largish burrs and comes in on budget too. Quamar have nice grinders too, if you like the dosing funnel style (which I do).

    Enjoy the challenge and go for the one you will like the look of on waking up
    Assuming you are talking about the Macap M4D I have to say having had both, I would be going for the Eureka (being the Atom or Zenith) only because i feel personally there is next to no clumping in the Eureka Zenieth I have. Where is looking back on things now i found the M4D would show up with some clumping towards finer grinds. Off the top of my head i do believe you would pay a little more for the eureka grinders. In my opinion though...Well worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeechris View Post
    Assuming you are talking about the Macap M4D I have to say having had both, I would be going for the Eureka (being the Atom or Zenith) only because i feel personally there is next to no clumping in the Eureka Zenieth I have. Where is looking back on things now i found the M4D would show up with some clumping towards finer grinds. Off the top of my head i do believe you would pay a little more for the eureka grinders. In my opinion though...Well worth it.

    Chris
    Looks to be about 1k vs 1.2k

    Thanks for your help, it's probably between those two
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casa Espresso View Post
    Hi Science teacher,

    Both Macap and Eureka have been around along time.

    In fact Eureka make grinders for other companies and brand them for them. Think Mythos 1, Rocket Faustao, Nuova Simonelli MDF.... just to name a few.

    The ATOM is their new model and is built to the same high quality as their other models.

    We offer a short hopper option on the Zenith which makes it a better fit for the home environment
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/grinders/eureka.html

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    G'day Anthony
    Can you please explain to me the difference between the Zenith and Atom?
    I like the look of the zenith a lot more and don't care for the display etc

    Cheers!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookster View Post
    Both Eureka and Macap have been around for a good while and you'll not go wrong with either. I don't think there's a bad grinder around at this price point so it might just be a case of going for which you fancy the look of the most. I like Macap (just moved on from one) but I really like the stepless adjustment wheel on the Eureka too. The Macap M4D comes highly regarded but for me looks a bit like a dalek. The Atom is loved by those that have them and the fact that you don't often see them come up secondhand indicates that they are keepers. Eureka Zenith 65e has largish burrs and comes in on budget too. Quamar have nice grinders too, if you like the dosing funnel style (which I do).

    Enjoy the challenge and go for the one you will like the look of on waking up
    I appreciate the perspective you've given me. I honestly don't like the look of either haha

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    Poor Science Teacher...fresh meat I guess.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all if his head explodes tonight.

    Maybe there should be a PhD course in Coffee Grinders.

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    just do what i did and get the Rocket Fausto, its the Zenith65e in designer clothes, looks the biz but will stretch you to 1.4k ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookster View Post
    just do what i did and get the Rocket Fausto, its the Zenith65e in designer clothes, looks the biz but will stretch you to 1.4k ��
    That looks damn fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookster View Post
    just do what i did and get the Rocket Fausto, its the Zenith65e in designer clothes, looks the biz but will stretch you to 1.4k ��
    I will see your Fausto and raise you an ECM V-Titan 64 by which measure, the Fausto is an ugly hag...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wattgn View Post
    I will see your Fausto and raise you an ECM V-Titan 64 by which measure, the Fausto is an ugly hag...
    Stop or i'll need to tag this NSFW hahah

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    First Grinder- Under $1000 Recommendations

    The Eureka Atom is far better looking in the metal, I thought it was ugly in the photos, but it's a great looking machine on the bench. Colours are coming and that may help the looks, but the stock black is stealthy.

    I've got a Kony E and a Mythos 1 they are both great, but they are big units. The Kony seems to retain more grinds and is louder.

    I have discovered if you're passionate about something, it sometimes pays to get what you really want rather than settling for a compromise and paying twice. It's well worth getting the best grinder you can justify buying, it's not likely you'll regret it, because the better grinders are a joy to use everyday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by science-teacher View Post
    G'day Anthony
    Can you please explain to me the difference between the Zenith and Atom?
    I like the look of the zenith a lot more and don't care for the display etc

    Cheers!!
    First up difference you will notice is the size. The Zenith is a commercially designed grinder where as the ATOM is designed primarily for home use. We do have a short hopper option on the Zenith which brings the size down height to the ATOM.

    Other major difference is the burr size. The Zenith has 65mm burrs, the ATOM 60mm. Effectively this means the Zenith is a second or so faster grinding a double shot.
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/eureka-zenith-65e.html

    Then of course there is the noise, or lack of it with the ATOM. Extra sound deadening, hard rubber mounts and other features make the ATOM exceptionally quiet.
    https://www.casaespresso.com.au/eureka-atom.html

    Grind adjustment is the same on both utilizing Eurekas lower carrier burr adjustment.

    Both are great grinders, the choice between the two is entirely yours to make

    We have also negotiated a TWO year manufacturers warranty on all Eureka grinders. Most manufacturers offer one year

    Cheers

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