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Thread: Mazzer Robur upgrade

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    Mazzer Robur upgrade

    Hi Fellow Snobs,

    I have the opportunity to upgrade my Super Jolly (Doserless) to a Robur (Doser).

    I prefer the doserless look and functionality, but would also like the better grind the Robur is capable of, so I have 2 questions:

    1. How much of an upgrade would be going from the Super Jolly to a Robur?
    2. Is there any potential use the the doserless components from my Super Jolly (funnel, back plate etc) to make the Robur doserless - and make the Super Jolly the Doser?

    Unfortunately I don't think I could justify the bench space for both - otherwise I probably would!

    Appreciate any thoughts on either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatEverBeansNecessary View Post
    1. How much of an upgrade would be going from the Super Jolly to a Robur?
    Probably not much, but a slightly different flavour profile. Couple of thoughts…
    – I've found flat burrs can give richer white coffees (I miss this a little) - but I do like the clarity of the big conical for espresso. What are your main drinks of choice?
    – Roburs are huge - a lot bigger than the jolly.
    – If you are single dosing it, there will be no difference in speed. Fully loaded, mine will give 3.5sec doubles. Single dosed - probably 10sec?
    – If you're not single dosing - massive grind retention. Think 4-5 doubles before you really see grind adjustments.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhatEverBeansNecessary View Post
    2. Is there any potential use the the doserless components from my Super Jolly (funnel, back plate etc) to make the Robur doserless - and make the Super Jolly the Doser?
    Not sure

    All that may or may not be what you're after!
    Roburs are great grinders - but they're no silver bullet

    Cheers Matt

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    Thanks Matt.

    I always single dose so the speed (10 sec vs maybe 20 on the SJ) is no big deal after weighing etc which takes a lot more time.

    Typical morning would be 1 latte followed by a either an espresso or machiatto and same for the wife.

    I lean toward the no if there isn't a huge improvement in consistency in grind (or better flavour).

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    I upgraded to the Robur so I could grind the occasional bag for friends (which I still do) - it was taking 20mins on the old grinder! But if I had not been doing that all, I would have most likely stuck with the M4

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    I think it is a case of novelty. I had a good grinder the M4D then got the Robur.

    I like the Doser on the Robur and the quick grind times of 4 seconds.

    I have no single dosing desires. It seems one step too far in search of perfection.

    I love the Robur, it is an ultimate machine. Very easy to live with as it is also very quiet but dead easy to strip and clean also.

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    Hi WhateverBeans

    Reading over your post and wondering if you’ve heard about or considered upgrading your burr set for your SJ?

    I’ve been tempted to give a second hand Mini or SJ a go as a second grinder - and with the SSP burr set (which reportedly delivers substantially quicker grind and consistency and longevity of sharpness)

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    Quote Originally Posted by matth3wh View Post
    Hi WhateverBeans

    Reading over your post and wondering if you’ve heard about or considered upgrading your burr set for your SJ?

    I’ve been tempted to give a second hand Mini or SJ a go as a second grinder - and with the SSP burr set (which reportedly delivers substantially quicker grind and consistency and longevity of sharpness)
    Definitely. Shot clock is almost 7K so no rush to get new burrs, but maybe soonish. Doesn't clump at the moment, my main query was better clarity of flavours and depth over speed.

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    The graph I saw showed a narrower range of grind size fineness -> should hopefully lead to better/consistency for extraction and flavours
    Vs. stock burrs

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    Yeah saw them online for $399 - a substantial cost considering I paid around $800 for the grinder, but from all reviews they are a marked improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    Probably not much, but a slightly different flavour profile. Couple of thoughts…
    – I've found flat burrs can give richer white coffees (I miss this a little) - but I do like the clarity of the big conical for espresso. What are your main drinks of choice?
    Cheers Matt
    This is intriguing, could you tell me more about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosco View Post
    This is intriguing, could you tell me more about this?
    It's a very subtle thing, but I've been able to compare both my old M4 (sold to a mate, and my brother has one too) with the Robur, with my beans on occasion. I found the M4 gave beautiful, chocolatey flat whites, and very nice espresso, but they were certainly more down the 'cocoa' end of the flavour spectrum. It was also more finnicky with grind size - too fine it went bitter quickly.

    With the Robur, it doesn't go bitter ever, even with a super slow (think 1-2min!!!!) espresso pour! Just gets thicker, gloopier, fruitier and stronger. But it also never gets quite that same cocoa profile. I do get some nice chocolately coffee, but it is more due to the bean choice rather than grind profile. Horses for courses!

    But I do go back to the M4 and think – mmmm that makes a good, flavoursome flat white – always a little more potent than the conical IMHO

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    Hmmmm. Matt you pose an interesting point of view! I was sold on upgrading the burrs to the SSP set in the next 12 months or so when the other set degrades but now I am leaning toward a conical again!

    My wife and I probably drink more milk than espresso or short milk drinks. But my flavour preferences lean toward the fruity stuff.

    Maybe worth keeping an eye out for a large doserless conical if one pops up here soon!
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    Great information

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhatEverBeansNecessary View Post
    Hmmmm. Matt you pose an interesting point of view! I was sold on upgrading the burrs to the SSP set in the next 12 months or so when the other set degrades but now I am leaning toward a conical again!

    My wife and I probably drink more milk than espresso or short milk drinks. But my flavour preferences lean toward the fruity stuff.

    Maybe worth keeping an eye out for a large doserless conical if one pops up here soon!
    IMHO they are better with a doser. Imagine trying to time 4 seconds for a shot and it makes more of a mess. The doser keep mess to a minimum provided a small mod is made to prevent it throwing to the left.

    The stock burrs on the Robur work just fine. A controversy over them erupted some years back, justifiably too when Mazzer produced some shockingly badly engineered burr sets for the Robur. It is history though. I like everything about this machine quite honestly. It is hard to fault provided you have the room for it. I find having the bottom of the hopper at eye level rather a nice thing really. I put in enough beans for most of a day.

    They are a smart looking machine. The adjustment ring on the Robur is sold stainless steel, weighs a tonne and is worth about $250 on their own. It is a work of art, it is hard to overstate just how solid this machine is. It weighs 28kg, way over engineered but in a nice way. The adjustments are smooth and easy to make and secured with a knurled screw. Very classy. I bought mine brand new for $1190 including GST and shipping from NSW so I was lucky but you can get these easily ex cafe from $600 or so and they are worth every penny although the first thing I would do is clean them and get a new set of burrs.

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    Started using a robur recently, and would recommend it. Consistent grinds, more uniformity and it definitely results in a better cup of coffee.

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