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Thread: Rocky vs top-range hand grinders

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    Rocky vs top-range hand grinders

    Hi all,

    I've had my Rocky for many years now. I use it predominantly for pour-overs. I recently changed the burr set, so mechanically it is in fine fettle. However, I have been reading about some of the top-shelf hand grinders such as the Lido 3, Comandante MK3, and Helor 101. My question is how the grind consistency on these devices compares to a Rocky? I'm happy enough with the Rocky, so am not tempted to shelve out $500+ for an electronic replacement, but if these hand grinders perform markedly better I wouldn't mind grabbing one.

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    I've used both the Rocky and hand grinders Brettus, if I had to choose now would go for the Rocky with a good set of burrs every time.

    Winding the handle is interesting/fun at first, the novelty wears off pretty quickly.
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    If it aint broke......

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    No, it isn't broke, but that doesn't mean there can't be improvements. I'm just wondering if these devices might produce a better result or not.

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    Fair comment. However, I think Yelta's on the money here. Hand grinding is not much fun if you're making multiple coffees day in day out.

    I stand to be corrected but I don't think most hand grinders grind straight into the portafilter either. This would be a deal breaker for me.

    There appear to be big wraps on some hand grinders like the Lido. However, they cost about the same as a good second hand Rocky or better still Macap M2M.

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    Nobody's answering the OP's question of whether these hand grinders can better the Rocky's grind quality. OP already knows that they are manual and what that entails.

    All I can add is that it is often reported on this and other forums that for the same dollars the hand grinder will give better results (due, in great part, to larger burrs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeezaw View Post
    Nobody's answering the OP's question of whether these hand grinders can better the Rocky's grind quality. OP already knows that they are manual and what that entails.

    All I can add is that it is often reported on this and other forums that for the same dollars the hand grinder will give better results (due, in great part, to larger burrs).
    Donít know about the Rocky but we get a much better result out our Lido ET than our Breville Smart Grinder. More even grind, less clumping. Still use the BSG mornings and mostly through the day. The Lido for running a second bean and decaf at night. Takes about 45secs of cranking for 18g so definitely less convenient.

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    The only real shortcoming for the Rocky, is that the large step changes make it slightly more difficult to 'fine-tune' the grind for a perfect espresso pour. Easily overcome though, either by opting for the so-called stepless mod' or just by adjusting the dose by small amounts. I'm sure you're probably already across all this though... Never an issue with other brew methods.

    With the new burr-set, the Rocky will enable you to pull shots that are the equal of most other flat-burr grinders out there. When I had mine, I was never concerned about the quality of shots I was able to produce. High quality hand grinders are great, in their place, but for most CSers at home, it's hard to go past a quality grinder like the Rocky, however you prefer to brew your favourite bean...

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    Thanks everyone. It sounds like I should stick with what I have
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brettus View Post
    Thanks everyone. It sounds like I should stick with what I have
    I have a Rocky as well and was trying to make same decision. I ended up spending $110 (Kickstarter) on the Aergrind to find out what a hand grinder entailed. I now use it all the time. Main reason is zero retention and ease of cleaning. I was grinding 5 or 6 grams through the Rocky every day to purge old grinds and taking it apart regularly to clean it. Retention and cleaning had a direct impact on grind quality and taste - at least for me.

    I keep the Rocky for when I have guests.
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    hi

    I have a few hand grinders and I would also recommend the Aergrind even at current prices (£100 delivered to Aus).

    I have used Hario Skerton/Mini, Rosco , Helor 101 and Aergrind is probably my favourite to use. In terms of built quality, it is probably not in the same league as the Rosco grind or even the Helor - don't get me wrong, the aergrind build quality is still great. But in terms of usability and grind consistency, it is easily as good , if not better, than the rest.
    It is also very compact and portable at 360g and 15cmx 5cm (height x diameter) , which fits neatly into an aeropress,

    I haven't used Lido before, but did look into it before I started buying my other grinders. From my research the LIDO range just seemed too big at 35cm tall with a 7.5cm diameter and weights nearly 1kg.
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    I own the ROK grinder, it's the only grinder we have. It's very easy to use, about 60 rotations for 17 grams of coffee, takes maybe 30-45 seconds to grind for a dose.
    If you're going to move to a hand grinder make sure it's got plenty of leverage on the burr-set, I've read many people complaining that the smaller hand grinders can be a pain to use.
    Depending on use, if you're single dosing and only making 1 or 2 coffee' in the morning, i reckon for price and result it's very hard to go past a quality hand grinder.

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    But... If you already own a Rocky and your preferences aren't dominated by portability, why would you bother?

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    I just wanted to get a consensus as to whether or not these hand grinders could perform better in terms of the quality of the grind. If they were appreciably better, then I was/would be willing to grab one. But if it is a case of 'they're good in their lane' but won't better the Rocky, I won't worry. Looking across multiple forums, there seems to be some mixed opinion.
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    There's nothing wrong with a Rocky whose burrs are in reasonably good nick...
    As mentioned above, you can apply a very simple mod' to enable infinite adjustment if the step changes are too large for you.
    Heaps of CSers who have completed this mod' to their Rocky(s) are very happy with the outcome, in the cup.

    Got to be very careful what you 'believe' from so-called internet experts. Lots of people here have been into specialist coffee and related equipment for fifteen years plus, and base their recommendations on direct experience and knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post

    Got to be very careful what you 'believe' from so-called internet experts. Lots of people here have been into specialist coffee and related equipment for fifteen years plus, and base their recommendations on direct experience and knowledge.

    Mal.
    I agree with your sentiments Dimal, there is a vast amount of advice available on the WWW, much of it complete rubbish.

    As far as Coffee Snobs is concerned, we have lost quite a few very knowledgeable, regular contributors over the past couple of years, some of the newer members have set themselves up as instant guru's and are dishing out a lot of questionable information, it's not worth the effort of challenging them, you cant argue with people who clearly have no idea of what they are talking about, they stick out like a sore thumb.

    On a positive note, we still have a core of very experienced contributors who are willing to share their experiences with those who are prepared to listen.

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    Indeed mate...

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    Indeed guys. I appreciate your insights and on that basis am sticking with the status quo
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