Results 1 to 17 of 17
Like Tree25Likes
  • 1 Post By Dimal
  • 2 Post By nickm
  • 2 Post By DesigningByCoffee
  • 2 Post By shortblackman
  • 1 Post By shortblackman
  • 2 Post By flynnaus
  • 2 Post By artman
  • 1 Post By Gratulin
  • 1 Post By Otago
  • 2 Post By rthorntn
  • 3 Post By Dimal
  • 2 Post By justacuppa
  • 4 Post By rthorntn

Thread: Hand grinder upgrade for newbie

  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    6

    Hand grinder upgrade for newbie

    Hi,

    I'm new here so please be gentle :-)

    I have the handground, two months old, for espresso only (I had to install the two shims for finer grinding to keep the la pavoni happy)

    Problem with adding the shims is that the small burrs wear faster and to grind 12g takes over 5 minutes. I estimate I have ground about 1.5kg and the burrs are worn enough that the la pavoni is not happy anymore. Changing burrs every two months is not going to happen especially on the fiddly handground.

    Can somebody please recommend a hand grinder for la pavoni espresso that will last a decent amount of time doing 25g of grinding a day?

    A massive grinder will not have WAF, bench space is limited.

    Thanks.

    Rich

  2. #2
    Mal Dimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Warwick, QLD
    Posts
    15,800
    What would be your budget limit?

    Mal.
    rthorntn likes this.

  3. #3
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    6
    Thanks, around A$300.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    126
    Check out the OE LIDO picked one up under 300 the other day
    Dimal and rthorntn like this.

  5. #5
    Life-long Learner DesigningByCoffee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Millthorpe NSW
    Posts
    1,968
    Second the Lido. Great espresso grinder, and built like a tank
    Dimal and rthorntn like this.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    The Dandenongs
    Posts
    607
    Third the Lido. It's exactly your budget, and grinds like a big grinder.
    I have a lido 2, but would recommend the "e" (for espresso) version as you said espresso only, and the Pavoni can be a cruel mistress.
    the e version allows for easier fine adjustment, which is - for me - the only slightly tricky thing about this grinder.
    Otago and rthorntn like this.

  7. #7
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    6
    Thanks everyone!

    Having been burned by the handgrind, I'm concerned about burr lifetime.

    How long should the Lido burrs last doing 10kg of espresso a year?

    Has anyone had Lido burrs wear down enough to cause issues with a lever espresso machine?

    Can you buy replacement burrs, a quick search doesn't turn any lido burrs for sale?

    Thanks again.

    Rich

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    The Dandenongs
    Posts
    607
    Perhaps someone can provide technical evidence, but my experience has probably been to put about 15 kg through. Absolutely no sign of slowing down.
    Not sure about changing burrs.

    I know Casa espresso sell them if you're in Melbourne
    rthorntn likes this.

  9. #9
    Senior Member flynnaus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    3,818
    Quote Originally Posted by rthorntn View Post
    Thanks everyone!

    Having been burned by the handgrind, I'm concerned about burr lifetime. How long should the Lido burrs last doing 10kg of espresso a year?
    According to OE, the burrs should last 'forever'. Here are the FAQs:
    About your Lido 2 Manual Coffee Grinder

    How long will the burrs last?
    As far as we know, and from seeing some hand grinders well over 100 years old and still grinding well, you will likely never have to change the burr due to wear in a normal pattern of usage
    .
    shortblackman and rthorntn like this.

  10. #10
    Senior Member artman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    2,198
    I canít imagine wearing out burrs in a hand grinder. That would be a LOT of grinding. Probably more likely to wear out your arms!!

    Cheers
    shortblackman and rthorntn like this.

  11. #11
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    22
    Aergrind is worth considering. It grinds 20g espresso easily and fast.
    rthorntn likes this.

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Hobart TAS
    Posts
    145

    Hand grinder upgrade for newbie

    The Italmill burr set used in the Aergrind is also put through an additional case hardening process by the Aergrind maker to make them "up to 85% tougher than stainless steel for rustproof durability......and to improve grind quality". The same process is used on the larger bodied Feld 2 if you were looking for something with a bit more heft. However, I also have a Lido 3 and find the ergonomics of the Aergrind comparable with larger bodied hand grinders. If you are into lighter roasts any hand grinder might be little more challenging depending on your physique.
    rthorntn likes this.

  13. #13
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    6
    Thanks everyone, I ordered the Lido E.

    Well I wore the burrs on the HG for sure, HG say this online:

    ”The burrs should last for a couple years with normal use. Although they will wear down faster if you are grinding for espresso often. We are arranging to have extra sets of burrs produced in the production run that is going on right now and will have them available to order through our website."

    In my experience using the HG just for espresso (two shims installed) it wears the burrs out at 10x!

    When you first install the shims the burrs rub a bit and I reckon this rubbing wears the burrs rapidly which "undoes" the finer grind after a couple of kg of beans.

    BTW I'm loving roasting my own beans with the $30 Sunbeam popcorn popper!
    Brewster and shortblackman like this.

  14. #14
    Mal Dimal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Warwick, QLD
    Posts
    15,800
    Quote Originally Posted by rthorntn View Post
    When you first install the shims the burrs rub a bit and I reckon this rubbing wears the burrs rapidly which "undoes" the finer grind after a couple of kg of beans.
    This would probably be a good thing if one was a little anaemic...

    Mal.
    flynnaus, Jackster and rthorntn like this.

  15. #15
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Posts
    24
    The handground uses ceramic burrs so that wears out much faster than harden steel burrs in more premium hand grinders recommended many others above. Steel burrs are also more aggressive so that will help with the grinding times. I can't imagine taking 5 mins to grind each shot along, especially when trying dailing in for a new bean!

    I think you will also be much happier with the results coming out of the Lido for your La Pavoni. I have been using 2nd hand hand grinders Helor 101 ( 2-3 year old), Rosco (6 yo) without any problems for my La Pavoni. Typically it takes me around 45s - 90s to grind 15g depending on the beans.
    Dimal and rthorntn like this.

  16. #16
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    6
    Wow the Lido E is awesome, it takes me about 30 seconds to grind 12 grams, thanks everyone.

  17. #17
    Site Sponsor Casa Espresso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    696
    The Lido E is a great match for the Pavoni Leva

    There is definitely something special about the whole manual experience.

    Congratulations, that's a great combo

    cheers

    Antony
    www.casaespresso.com.au

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •