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    HeatSnob Temperature Data Logger Thermocouple and Roast Monitor USB software

    HeatSnob - Accurate Temperature Monitoring

    The CoffeeSnobs USB Temperature Data Logger has now been replaced by a smaller, neater device called HeatSnob.



    HeatSnob works with CoffeeSnobs Roast Monitor software and Roast Monitor will work with a mixture of HeatSnob units and the previous meters. You can run up to 9 temperature monitors although 2 or 3 is enough for most people. Bean temperature, air temperature and exhaust temperature are the 3 most common areas to monitor but you could also add cooling tray or ambient temperature if you can use that data too.


    This meter and software has been installed on 1000s of different PCs all over the planet and everyone I know that run it are getting much more consistent results using this logging and replicating.


    Tested as working well on:
    • Win98SE
    • Windows XP Pro
    • Windows XP Home
    • Vista Business
    • Windows 7 (32bit)
    • Windows 7 (64 bit)
    • Windows 8
    • Windows 10


    Mac? I have been told that it works fine using Parallels for Mac.
    (We still suggest you are far better off getting a low-end PC which will run this fine)

    Not working well on:
    • VMware (suffers from disconnections during the roast)
    • Linux. Sorry, but I doubt it will run on Linux until Sun Java gets a working USB library for Linux, Mac and Windows.


    You can scrounge an old PC for next to nothing these days. *The hardware requirements of the software is very low and it will run on just about any Windows PC with a USB port. *Finding an old notebook (with 1024px resolution) is often a great way to use this roasting tool.

    This is a true plug and play hardware device, Windows automagically loads its own driver for it and it appears in Device Manager as a HID without mucking about with serial device driver files and having to know baud rates and com ports.


    Where to buy?

    The USB Temperature Datalogger is available in BeanBay "Other Stuff" now.
    CoffeeSnobs - BeanBay - Other Stuff - HeatSnob Temperature Data Logger

    Software Download

    You can get the Roast Monitor software V2.61 (NOV 2017)
    (RoastMonitor.exe - 2666KB) for this meter from:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/RoastMonitor/Roastmonitor.exe
    or if you need a ZIP file then use:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/RoastMonitor/Roastmonitor.zip

    After downloading, run the installer and follow the simple prompts.

    The installer will:
    * Place a Roast Monitor icon on your desktop
    * Install into Program Files (x86)
    * Saved profiles, logs and preferences will be under Documents/CoffeeSnobs

    This will make future updates cleaner and easier, leaving the previous profiles and settings and only updating the program.

    Roast Monitor uses Java for the display, if you don't have Java then you need to download it from Oracle (free download): Download Free Java Software


    Roast Monitor User Guide

    This excellent user guide was put together by CSr GrahamK for the older meter version but should help new users and existing ones get up to speed with the features pretty quickly.
    450Kb Word Doc.
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/RoastMonit...User-Guide.zip
    Thanks Graham* 8-)

    Revision Notes:
    Detailed revision notes are included in the download.

    Troubleshooting
    • Nearly every problem reported in the last eight years was fixed by downloading and installing current versions of Java


    This would be a great time to remind people that this software is written for me to use with the commercial roaster at the Snobbery and it has been working perfectly for up to 50 roasts per week, every week of the year for years.

    While I'm happy to share it with CSrs for free and welcome new ideas please understand that if I cannot see a benefit in a requested feature or think it would hinder my usage then I won't want it in the software.


    A template for mounting the stainless thermocouple in the Behmor1600 is below.

    Outside of Australia?
    HeatSnob is available to other countries via HeatSnob.com

    Please Note: we will clean this thread from time to time and update any new information in this first post to avoid confusion when a new version is released.





    Last edited by Andy; 19th November 2017 at 03:43 PM. Reason: new version
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    Troubleshooting.

    When you install the Heatsnob the first time Windows will try and find a "plug 'n pray" driver for it.

    You should see the installation icon the bottom right of the task bar, opening it will show the following.


    1: It will try and get an updated driver for "HID Thermocouple" from Windows Update, you can wait for the time-out or better still, click on "skip obtaining driver software from Windows Update"






    Because Windows never trusts you, it will also ask you to confirm the click. Answer Yes.




    It will then go ahead and install the driver you already had on your machine.
    You can click Close when it's done.



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    (cleaned the rest of the thread of previous version discussions to avoid confusion)




    New Version of Roast Monitor Released Today.


    V2.60

    It has a logo change, some formatting shuffled and a couple of small bug fixes.
    I've done 100 odd roasts on this version and seen no problems so it's now going live.

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    How do I change the Heatsnob to Farhenheit? Also how much of the probe should be in the bean mass? I did a roast today and I have the probe set really low in my breadmaker to ensure that it stays within the bean mass and I can only have about 4-5mm of the probe in the pan to keep it from getting hit by the mixing paddle, and I only hit 141 Celsius during the roast, despite hitting first crack at 6 minutes. . .

    Thanks!

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    Edit the settings file:

    Documents/CoffeeSnobs/Preferences.txt

    Code:
    # Temperature scale - either Celsius or Fahrenheit.
    temperatureScale=Celsius
    You need to spell it right too!

    Probe? The tip reads the temperature but if the probe is a tight fit then it will act as a heat-sink and give you the temperature of the metal it's going through.

    You can also use the "multiplier" in the preferences file to calibrate your setup... or calibrate the probe to boiling water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Are the slider min/max values user adjustable? Or can they be replaced with presets?
    Not user adjustable but they are 1-100 so you can plot percentages... which is also perfect for plotting manual Behmor buttons as P1=0% P2=25% P3=50% P4=75% P5=100%.

    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Is there a way to manually capture other values, eg entering A and B temps?
    The comments field allows you to type something in, it gets tagged on the primary plot line and also added to the CSV file so you can see/use it later.

    You can also change the value of the 5 buttons if its something that you find yourself typing a lot. In your example it might make sense to have a button called "P5 Manual" instead of "Rolling Second Crack" and that way you can plot on the line when you use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Also, is there a way of loading the csv file with the colours active, if loaded as a template it is all green ready for next roast.
    Yep, that's covered in the Preferences.txt file ( My Documents/CoffeeSnobs/Prefferences.txt )

    Code:
    # Colour of template display (RGB 0,0,0 to 255,255,255).
    templateColours=0,128,0 0,100,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0
    If you want it to be blue then change the first set of RGB number to 0,0,255 eg:

    Code:
    # Colour of template display (RGB 0,0,0 to 255,255,255).
    templateColours=0,0,255 0,100,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0 0,128,0

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    had a question via email...

    ...are the event buttons changeable
    Yes they certainly are.

    Edit this section in the preferences.txt file to have the 5 buttons become a shortcut for whatever you like.
    (my documents/coffeesnobs/preferences.txt)

    Code:
    # Text for tag buttons.
    tagButton1=First<br>Crack
    tagButton2=Rolling<br>First
    tagButton3=Open<br>Air
    tagButton4=Close<b>Air</b>
    tagButton5=Drop<br>Beans

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    Quote Originally Posted by gz20tt View Post
    Cheers Andy.
    I'll keep an eye out in Beanbay for the probes to come back in.
    New Probes have landed and are in BeanBay now...


    CoffeeSnobs - BeanBay - Other Stuff - Spare Thermocouple Probe Stainless Braid 25mm

    CoffeeSnobs - BeanBay - Other Stuff - Spare Thermocouple Probe Stainless Braid 100mm

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    Hi Andy,

    I'd like to buy the Heatsnob but need a 50mm probe. Do you know anyone who would be able to sell me a 50mm probe that I can then use with the rest of the Heatsnob technology?

    Thanks
    Nick

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    We only have 25mm and 100mm... you can make an adaptor to hold the 100mm one out 50mm pretty easily.

    I did that on a roaster years ago and it worked fine.

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    Thanks Andy

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    I'm in Indonesia just bought 3kg roaster, classic drum. It seems having problem in temperature reading on CoffeeSnobs software (Roast Monitor).

    I noticed some alerts on Roast Monitor that thermocouple shorted to power and can't read the primary meter.



    Also there is huge disparity temperature reading between Autonics TCN4S and in the Roast Monitor. It shows right temperature while in Roast Monitor shows up in thousands degree Celcius.



    I've tried reinstall Roast Monitor but still occurred the same.
    Anyone can help?

    Thanks for the help.
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    Remove the probe from the roaster and test it on your desk (insulated).
    Let me know if Roast Monitor works okay then.

    It sounds like a voltage leak on your roaster.

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    the software adds the temp figure on the line every now and then

    If your temperature drops fast it will plot a blue temperature, if it rises fast it will plot a red one.


    Is there a way to turn this function off?

    Roast smoother!
    It's possible to roast with one temperature when you drop the beans in, one at the turn and one when you drop the beans out.


    I am guessing it does this to alert you if you are off your target too much

    The bottom left "Target field" will change colour to show too hot, too cold and goldilocks just right.


    I had not tried to edit/view/open the .csv files, i'd saved a roast in RM in .csv, and then tried to load it as a template.

    If you open in Excel and save it the columns can shuffle, blame Microsoft not us!
    Upload one of your saved templates (saved from Roast Monitor, never viewed in excel) to this thread so we can test it.


    Is there a video with the heatsnob and software doing a roast?
    Don't know. Is there? I think it would be a pretty boring 20 minute video though!


    Hi everyone.
    I'm reading this RML and its kinda a killer for me... I'm still learning the basics.
    2 questions. 1. Is there any way to increase the size of the ROR or rate of change axis so it looks bigger.
    2. with the smoothing - whilst 10 is the default... mine with a few roasts is showing a lot of "saw tooth". anyway/suggestion to make it smoother?
    Many thanks
    Raymond

    1: Don't really understand the question. If you are trying to change the graph scale you can in preferences.txt
    Which should be on your PC in: \Documents\CoffeeSnobs\preferences.txt
    Edit it in notepad, the temperature scale (vertical) and the time scale (horizontal) can both be changed easily.
    Code:
    # Temperatures (vertical scale) in degrees.
    minTemperature=0
    maxTemperature=300
    
    
    # Horizontal scale in minutes.
    duration=30

    2: Smoothing. Also set in the preferences.txt file. Post a saved JPG of one of your roasts so we can see what you mean.

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    I've attached a template that's not working RMTemplate.zip

    Appreciate if anyone can help out! thanks folks.

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    Took half an hour of head scratching (and a little swearing) but I found the problem.

    heat off, fan full

    Has a comma in the note which then added another column to the CSV.

    Removed the comma and it works fine.

    20171114-FIXED.jpg

    ...will also talk to the developer to see if we can strip commas from the note field in a future version.
    Till then, please don't use a comma in the note field (I think most everything else is fine though)
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    Those with a keen eye might have noticed in my above picture that I was running version 2.61
    I've been running that live on my roaster for more than a month and can't find any problems so it's now gone live and the download links in the first post will be for version 2.61 now.

    Version 2.61 is our first multi lingual version.

    We have lots of people running this all over the world and while they have learnt our english roasting words, they shouldn't really have to. Now they can set their own words in a simple text file called Translations.txt



    Extract from ReleaseNotes:
    Revision 2.61

    1. User-customisable text

    All text in the main window can now be customised by the user.
    On the first run of RoastMonitor, the file "Translations.txt" is created in Documents\CoffeeSnobs. This file contains a line of the form "English text = English text" for each text element in the main window. The text to the left of the equals sign should not be altered, but text to the right can be modified as required. If modifying this file, you should be aware that this file is Unicode-encoded.
    Text on buttons can include some HTML tags. A text character surrounded by <u> and </u> will be set as a keyboard shortcut for that button; <br> will force following text to a new line.
    For consistency, the previous customisation of some buttons via Preferences.txt is no longer supported.

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    If you want to see translation in action, replace Documents/CoffeeSnobs/Translations.txt with the below spanish content. When you've finished playing you can delete Translations.txt and a pristine version will get created next time you run.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Code:
    REVISION = 2.61
    Actual = Real
    Air = Aire
    Alerts = Alertas
    All meters = Todos los metros
    <u>C</u>lose = <u>C</u>erca
    Comments = Comentarios
    <u>F</u>irst<br>crack = <u>P</u>rimera<br>grieta
    <u>G</u>o = <u>I</u>r
    Heat = Calor
    <u>L</u>oad = C<u>a</u>rga
    Load = Carga
    Load RML program = Cargar programa RML
    Load template = Load modelo
    Max = Máximo
    Min = Mínimo
    N/A = N/A
    Offset = Compensar
    per min = por minuto
    R<u>e</u>set = R<u>e</u>iniciar
    <u>R</u>olling<br>first crack = <u>R</u>odando<br>primera grieta
    R<u>M</u>L = RM<u>L</u>
    R<u>o</u>lling<br>second crack = R<u>o</u>dando<br>segunda grieta
    Range = Distancia
    RML programs = Programas rml
    <u>S</u>ave CSV = <u>G</u>uardar CSV
    Save = Guardar
    Save <u>J</u>PG = Guardar <u>J</u>PG
    Save image as = Guardar imagen como
    Save profile as = Guardar perfil como
    Saved image as  = imagen guardada como
    Saved profile as  = perfil guardado como
    Secon<u>d</u><br>crack = <u>S</u>egunda<br>grieta
    Sho<u>w</u> Log = Mos<u>t</u>rar Registro
    Sto<u>p</u> = <u>D</u>etener
    Target = Objetivo
    Temp. = Temp.
    <u>T</u>emplate = <u>M</u>odelo
    Temperature = Temperatura
    Time = Hora
    Time since = Tiempo desde
    Time since load = Tiempo desde la carga
    <u>U</u>nload<br>(Cool) = Descargar<br>(<u>F</u>rio)
    I'm happy to keep a library of translation files either here on CoffeeSnobs, on HeatSnob.com or in the software package so if you make one you like, let me know.
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    Hi Andy,

    The link to the zip version is not working.

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    Weird permissions problem on the server. Fixed now.

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    Hi,
    I have 3 questions.
    1. Are you shipping this device internationally?
    2. Can I install this to Has Garanti Hgs 5 (2014) by replacing screw on window next to HG probe?
    3. Can I use this device with artisan instead Roastmonitor (if I don't like Roastmonitor)

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    1: yes
    2: yes
    3: no

    I also answered your [contact us] email.

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    I've been using this with Artisan for months (on a mac)... is there a reason why it's not appropriate for Artisan, Andy?

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    Hi Andy,

    Recently i purchase a new roaster machine and for temperature reader they gave me heatsnob. I usually use Artisan software for data logging.

    Is Heatsnob comaptible with Artisan? if yes can you guide me how to setting so it can work on Artisan?

    I already downloaded RoastMonitor and Javascript but when i opened, it always pop out Notification that says "Roast Monitor Encountered the following error and could not continue. No meters found "

    [IMG]file:///Users/risdiansah1/Desktop/fr_1975_size880.jpg[/IMG]

    Hopefully you guys can help me with this

    Cheers!

    Rikky



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    I'm not an artisan user so I have no idea. I have heard it works, I have heard it doesn't work so I think any Artisan question prob needs to be directed to their support. Sorry.


    "No meters found"
    Typically a windows problem. If HeatSnob doesn't "go ding" when plugged into the USB port then Windows doesn't see it and the software never can.

    Try a different USB port?

    Check Windows "Device Manager" to see if it appears when you plug it in.

    Also worth talking to the people you actually purchased it from, native language will make troubleshooting far easier for you too.

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    UI Detail

    Hi Andy,

    Thanks for the feed back and tips. I'm finally managed to opened the Roast Monitor. Now my next questions is more about the UI.
    • I cant find the feature that can show all the data minute by minute in number writing other than curves. Is Roast Monitor provide this type of data?
    • I'm not sure what is the Heat and air flow adjustment on the right side of the interface. Are we suppose to adjust it manually?

    Thanks again
    Rikky

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I'm not an artisan user so I have no idea. I have heard it works, I have heard it doesn't work so I think any Artisan question prob needs to be directed to their support. Sorry.


    "No meters found"
    Typically a windows problem. If HeatSnob doesn't "go ding" when plugged into the USB port then Windows doesn't see it and the software never can.

    Try a different USB port?

    Check Windows "Device Manager" to see if it appears when you plug it in.

    Also worth talking to the people you actually purchased it from, native language will make troubleshooting far easier for you too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risdiansah View Post
    Hi Andy,

    Thanks for the feed back and tips. I'm finally managed to opened the Roast Monitor. Now my next questions is more about the UI.
    • I cant find the feature that can show all the data minute by minute in number writing other than curves. Is Roast Monitor provide this type of data?
    • I'm not sure what is the Heat and air flow adjustment on the right side of the interface. Are we suppose to adjust it manually?

    Thanks again
    Rikky
    Hi Risdiansah, and welcome

    Andy is a crazy busy guy getting us all this brown & green goodness, so he only gets to respond here every now and again. But if you go to the link below there's a manual with heaps of good info on the software and setup

    Cheers Matt


    HeatSnob Temperature Data Logger Thermocouple and Roast Monitor USB software
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    Risdiansah, you need to save the .csv, then you can open it in excel and the data is all there in the spreadsheet in writing. Pretty sure there's no option to bring the data up in real time in writing.

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    HeatSnob on a Mac --- discussion moved to it's own thread.

    HeatSnob - on a Mac
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    My Windows 7 PC has crashed and not worth fixing, I have a Dell Windows 10 laptop but Firefox and Edge wont run the CS Roast monitor software, I have installed Java 64 bit--any tips or solutions??

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    Roast monitor is a stand alone java application and your browser has nothing to do with it.

    The latest version does need a pretty recent version of java installed but whether it needs 32bit or 64bit I'm not sure as I have it on an older 32bit Win7 laptop.


    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza View Post
    The latest version does need a pretty recent version of java installed but whether it needs 32bit or 64bit I'm not sure as I have it on an older 32bit Win7 laptop.
    Just install both...

    Mal.

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    3 questions:

    1- Is it possible to have temperature showing in increments on the y axis? i.e. 10, 20, 10 etc to 300?
    2- Is it possible to colour the background of the graph similar to artisans software, where is shows drying phase, mailard phase in colours?
    3- Is it possible to show RoR trajectory?

    Many thanks.

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    Behmor Coffee Roaster
    (... aaaand after 244 total roasts, 142 of those being Behmor roasts... I finally have a Heatsnob coming my way ;D. Never thought I'd see the day! Gone are the blind, yet fairly good guesstimate, methods!)

    That's enough of the brackets, whispering doesn't cut it! Very excited, I'm thinking I may try the probe in via the door method first before drilling holes, and place it underneath the chaff tray, I've read others have had consistent readings from there (obviously not bean mass temp, but a consistent air temp reading).

    I will probably still drill a hole and go via that route, but just wondering nowadays which has been more consistent for others who own a Behmor or if there are any updates to preferred temp locations (drill hole in side vs doorway under chaff tray vs any others)?

    Cheers all

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