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Thread: BeanBay Green Bean Release - December 2016

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    BeanBay Green Bean Release - December 2016

    BeanBay Green Bean Release - December 2016
    Available in BeanBay now:



    Panama Geisha - Don Pepe Natural



    Panama Geisha from Finca Don Pepe is one of the best known Geisha coffees in the world, and an award winner in competitions all over the globe. Now in its 5th generation of farmers, the Don Pepe Estate has been growing coffee for nearly 120 years and this is the bean that really put them on the map. As a green bean the aroma induces excitement, you can smell the sweetness. In lighter roasts this bean sings and produces tropical fruit salad in the cup. Think pawpaw, mango, peaches and other sticky-sweet fruits. Believe it or not, this is an excellent price for such a highly demanded and truly amazing coffee.




    Colombia La Esperanza Geisha


    Colombia Cafe Granja La Esperanza Gesha Cerro Azul Grand Crue. This "Blue Mountain Geisha" (Gesha) coffee is one of the very best coffees that Colombia produces. Easy to roast, and at a CS8 it is sweet and balanced in the cup with a mid-high bodied viscosity that felt like velvet. It won the Coffee of the Year and Roasters Guild National Championship at the Speciality Coffee Association of America (SCAA) and according to the farm, Kenneth Davids scored it a monster 96.5







    Panama Geisha - Finca Casa Ruiz Washed



    The near 100 year old Casa Ruiz farm is run by Maria and Plinio Ruiz and is very well known for producing some of the best coffees in Panama every year. This Panama Geisha is large graded and fully washed making it easy to roast well. Floral off the grinder and juicy fruits in the cup with a smooth body and a sweet pineapple cordial finish.


    This is one of this months series of "World Best" journey coffees. Due to the price this is offered in 1kg lots which might allow you to try them all. Enjoy!



    Indonesia Sumatra C




    Indonesia Sumatra C (commodity grade) is an interesting coffee that we wouldn't normally land. A large bean with an ugly mottled processing but looks and price can sometimes be deceiving. It reminds me a little of some of the indo region beans we landed 10 years ago.


    In the cup the initial impact is body, followed by some funky dry spice, earthiness and a cocoa linger that works really well in milk. A bargain at $8/kg as a blend base or use just as it is.



    Uganda Kisoro AA



    Uganda Kisoro AA. This high grown Ugandan Arabica is washed but not polished and then screened to a large AA size. In the roaster this is easy to roast but expect plenty of chaff. In the cup it has a subtle acidity and heavy body that made a great double espresso and a syrupy ristretto. This worked best for me roasted in the darker ranges, close to a CS10 depth where the cocoa style flavours dominate. Great value coffee.








    ...the required fine print...
    (with the exception of the 1kg Geisha's and the 2kg Elephant Monsoon) All BeanBay green beans are packed in 2.5kg zippered cotton bags, perfect for storage for up to 3 years when kept in a cool, dark and dry position. We ship paid orders out from the Snobbery Monday to Thursday and BeanBay will show the available shipping options and actual freight costs to your area. Larger orders are typically cheaper to freight per kilogram so we suggest ordering all your requirements at once. We also strongly recommend that you ship to an attended address (eg: work or grandma's house) to avoid delivery delays. Monday to Thursday we will ship everything same day that we receive payment for but please remember bank lag means it will take at least a day for your payment to get to us even though your bank took it from you instantly.






    Enjoy!


    Andy
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    I'd need to win Lotto mate, before I could afford to buy any of the top three...

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    I'm sure if you buy enough of the $8/kg indo you can eventually offset the cost

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    ~$10/Kg is about my limit these days...
    Pension doesn't go very far.

    Mal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    I'd need to win Lotto mate, before I could afford to buy any of the top three...

    Mal.
    I hear ya Mal.

    Yes, we have quite a contrast this month. The Uganda at $10 and the Sumatra at $8 are both bargains and both really good coffees but the Gesha's (or Geisha) are in a league of their own. I mentioned that the Don Pepe was value at $150/kg, I think it should be closer to the $250 or even $300/kg for a bean at this level and I think its as good or better than the La Mula was at $280.

    The nice thing about BeanBay is we have a big spread of coffees and everyone can find something that fits their criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    I'd need to win Lotto mate, before I could afford to buy any of the top three...

    Mal.
    I agree Mal, fortunately there is an excellent selection between $10 and $15 kg.
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    Very true Yelta...

    Was only trying to point out the exclusivity of them...

    Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimal View Post
    Very true Yelta...

    Was only trying to point out the exclusivity of them...

    Mal.
    Understand what you say Mal, way too rich for my blood begs the question, is a coffee @ $150 per kg over 10 times better than one priced @ $13 kg, obviously not, however I'm sure the more expensive one will have characteristics that are unique and totally different to the cheaper offering.

    You would certainly be on your toes roasting a batch of the Panama Geisha Don Pepe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    You would certainly be on your toes roasting a batch of the Panama Geisha Don Pepe.
    I'd be leaving that one for Andy or Chris of Talk Coffee to do for me...
    Would be very nervous of giving it a go in the Corretto...

    Mal.
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    Well guys, the funny thing is, everything balances out in this life.

    Obviously some of the above coffees are too expensive to justify indulging on a regular basis, however the odd one-off wouldn't hurt (although if you're one of those people who guzzles 10 cups per day, perhaps some restraint could be exercised so the Geisha lasts longer). It also may mean you sacrifice the frivolous splashing out in other areas of your life ie. eating out at a restaurant.

    Rather than cutting out splurges entirely, use your imagination and either substitute alternatives, or reduce their frequency instead. If that means eating cold baked beans straight out of the tin for a few nights, so be it!
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    Geisha coffees are so special, I like to be able to share these special treats with fellow coffee lovers who appreciate these exceptional beans, I have splashed out on a few occasions for a 1kg of Geisha and hoped that my roasting skills did not crucify these rare treats.
    Thanks go to Andy for giving us the choice to sample these rare beauties.
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    Go on Mal.....take the plunge! It might just be one of the best irresponsible purchases you ever made.

    If you're married, then perhaps you could buy the Panama Geisha as a gift for your lovely wife? Then you wouldn't feel so guilt-stricken about playing the cheeky profligate spendthrift.

    Or would that be too obvious?

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    Alternatively, you might consider going halves with someone (or even thirds). There's more than one way to skin a Whiskers, just as there's more than one entrance to the Kingdom of Heaven.
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    Can't imagine roasting a ~$150/kg bean in my $50 corretto roaster......... The stress would simply be too much.

    On a side note, is there anywhere you can taste these more expensive beans as a one off? ie coffee shops? There are a few places in town that now offer variation in bean you can have in your cup, but I've never seen one that offers these high end varieties?

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    First Pour (Veneziano) in West End Brisbane occasionally had 90+ coffees. Not sure what they compare to $150/kg geishas.

    But they used to be very nice and cost a bit more than their normal beans/coffee.

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    I purchase Ninety Plus green beans to roast and only their lowest level geisha (Lycello) is below $150/kg. I've always found Ninety Plus to be very clean beans to roast and easy to get a great result. Having said that the Cerro Azul available on CS last year was the best bean I purchased, and that's why I got some more this time around.

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    I've never roasted coffee before so can't offer any informed opinions, but if you've done it enough to guarantee consistent results, then surely you'd approach roasting the Geisha the same way you would any other coffee?

    My gut feeling is that you're all probably more stressed by the idea of mucking it up due to the high price attached, but I don't see why that on its own should make a home roaster with reasonable experience lose faith in their abilities.

    Go ahead and roast with confidence. And if it really is a huge issue then roast a smaller trial batch first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwantfm View Post
    I purchase Ninety Plus green beans to roast and only their lowest level geisha (Lycello) is below $150/kg. I've always found Ninety Plus to be very clean beans to roast and easy to get a great result. Having said that the Cerro Azul available on CS last year was the best bean I purchased, and that's why I got some more this time around.
    Ok then, people. Kwantfm is your go-to guy (aside from Andy, of course).
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    The bulk of my beans have a cupping score of 85-90. These scores are conservative and graded by professionals. You pay a premium (small) for the beans (most are microlots and limited quantity), but the result in the cup is obvious. I find Ninety Plus to be overpriced and have purchased similar beans (by the sack) at very reasonable prices. I don't roast geishas or similar quality beans (90+) for espresso, but enjoy them "manually" brewed.
    The ability to buy geisha by the kilogram is rare, normally they come in 10kg (or larger) packs, so the above offering represents good value for the home roaster.

    Others spend thousands of dollars upgrading equipment for what is at best a very marginal increase in cup quality. I prefer to spend extra dollars on 85+ quality green coffees, and the result in the cup is obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    The bulk of my beans have a cupping score of 85-90. These scores are conservative and graded by professionals. You pay a premium (small) for the beans (most are microlots and limited quantity), but the result in the cup is obvious. I find Ninety Plus to be overpriced and have purchased similar beans (by the sack) at very reasonable prices. I don't roast geishas or similar quality beans (90+) for espresso, but enjoy them "manually" brewed.
    The ability to buy geisha by the kilogram is rare, normally they come in 10kg packs, so the above offering represents good value for the home roaster.

    Others spend thousands of dollars upgrading equipment for what is at best a very marginal increase in cup quality. I prefer to spend extra dollars on 85+ quality green coffees, and the result in the cup is obvious.
    You learn something every day....

    Why do you not enjoy the Geishas as espresso? Do you find their flavour profile too delicate to be extracted in that style?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    You learn something every day....

    Why do you not enjoy the Geishas as espresso? Do you find their flavour profile too delicate to be extracted in that style?
    Geishas and similar 90+ beans are highly aromatic, sweet and also have high (balanced) acidity. To enjoy this flavour profile, the beans are best roasted lighter than what is "normal" for espresso. As an espresso, this lighter roasted product would normally translate to higher acidity and lower body than what I prefer. Hence, I enjoy them brewed differently. More of a "tea" drinking experience. As a cold drip, the product can be extremely tasty. If you roast the bean a bit further, you hit the territory where roast flavours can come in. This all depends on the skill of the roaster and their technique and profile. You also lose some of the aromatics and fruit flavours.

    Many will say they love geisha as an espresso, but I have sampled such a drink with others at well known coffee houses. The espresso was nice, but not quite what I prefer. The same bean when brewed as a pour-over was exceptional.
    Some will say that with expensive equipment you can bring out the best in a coffee (eg machine +grinder + lightly roasted 90+ coffee), but every time I have tasted the end product served by a capable barista (using such equipment), I have not experienced the wow factor that so many claim. I have a very good palate, but also know what I enjoy. A good friend of mine adores highly acidic espressos, whereas the same drink does not agree with me.

    At the moment I have a Panama Maunier Estate that I have roasted for espresso, and another batch of the same bean a bit lighter for manual brewing. It is a 90 point coffee (some rate it higher, 93...). The espresso roast (cusp of second crack) is smooth & sweet with a creamy malt finish, and balanced acidity. Exactly what I like. When brewed manually this same coffee is nice, but when side by side withe the lighter roasted bean, the difference (Man brewed) is obvious. The lighter roasted bean when served as an espresso is more acidic with fruit flavours and a slight peanut finish. The body and mouthfeel is not as pronounced as the espresso roasted product. For pour-over etc, the lighter roasted bean is delicious, and was preferred by everyone in my household in a blind test session (both roast styles served as pour-over).

    Not everyone will agree with me, and that is what makes the world so interesting.
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    Golden Bean - Gold medal in Organic Espresso = Geisha.

    Some people REALLY like it as an espresso.
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    Some terrific contributions here...

    This is such an interesting and eye-opening discussion for me. It just goes to show how supple, complex, and layered these coffees can be in the right pair of hands.

    Despite having developed the right palate for (mainly) espresso over the years, I've never attained such deep levels of knowledge and discernment.

    Nonetheless, Bosco Lever's insights remind me of the upbringing my father so generously gifted me with regards to aged/vintage wine and Sauternes (Chateau d'Yquem being the absolute pinnacle) from the 60s/70s/80s.

    It really opened up an entirely new universe for me, and I like to think that with time and persistence, I could reach a kindred appreciation for fine coffee.

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