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    Some tricks for creating great microfoam

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    This microfoam method is repeatable
    However (so far) it has bean tested on machines with ample available steam like VBM Levetta and larger HX machines with 2 to 4 steam hole tips

    NOTE
    I have not tested it out on smaller machines so I can’t say that it will work but would like willing testers to give it a go and report back
    (We may require another repeatable method for these machines if it does not work)

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    Stretching milk with a 4 hole steam tip *
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    There is a technique to using a 4 hole steam tip *
    So please follow these easy steps *
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    Purge water from steam wand *
    Use a loose hand not stiff *
    At first use 300 ml jug and fill with cold milk to just under the lower part of pour spout *
    Place wand just under milk in the middle of jug at 90 deg (no angle) and only give it air in the first second no more and then just keep wand under the surface
    Important - turn on steam knob to "full steam strength” *
    Allow steam to do the work and when milk starts to foam keep wand at 90 deg but move jug to one side until the steam wand hits the side of jug *
    This all happens in about 10 seconds and before you know it you have micro-foam *
    *
    This easy method is for high steam power machines with multiple steam holes in the wand *
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    When you get the hang of it you can progress to larger milk jugs *
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    Koffee Kosmo


    (great post KK) ;)
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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Hi KK good idea,

    your type of method works well for me on my single steam outlet domestic machine. I find best results if I surf the top of the milk to about 35-40 degrees then plunge the wand deeper into the milk to 60-65 degrees. Hotter on the initial surf (40+) gets really stiff hard foam :( Key for me was dont overdo the initial bit on the top of the milk for nice microfoam.



    edit to fix original subject line - Andy

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Place wand just under milk.......and only give it air in the first second no more
    Could you explain that a bit more. Im guessing it means holding the tip just under the surface as explained at the beginning of this line but what should be done straight after that first second passes?

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus link=1220959662/0#2 date=1221088802
    Place wand just under milk.......and only give it air in the first second no more
    Could you explain that a bit more. Im guessing it means holding the tip just under the surface as explained at the beginning of this line but what should be done straight after that first second passes?
    Flynn

    Have edited and added
    "and then just keep wand under the surface"

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Assume with a larger qty. of milk in a larger jug you just move from center to perimeter of jug more slowly, or would you do a couple of passes from center to the edge? (i.e. 300ml of milk in a 1L jug)

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee Kosmo link=1220959662/0#3 date=1221092903
    Have edited and added
    "and then just keep wand under the surface"
    Thanks KK.
    OK, I have to ask: if you keep the tip just under the surface after the first second, what is it doing during the first second (ie what does giving it air mean. I think I understand what this means but would appreciate clarification

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Thanks KK.
    OK, I have to ask: if you keep the tip just under the surface after the first second, what is it doing during the first second (ie what does giving it air mean. I think I understand what this means but would appreciate clarification
    Flynn
    The chh chh chh sound you hear is air being introduced to the milk
    The more air you introduce to the milk the more bubbles it will produce
    You will still get foam just a little to bubbly
    So less air equals better microfoam
    Increasing the length of time you steam will also make the foam stiffer

    Flynn
    Hope that helps
    You may need to experiment withy your machine, but the principle technique is the same


    Assume with a larger qty. of milk in a larger jug you just move from center to perimeter of jug more slowly, or would you do a couple of passes from center to the edge? (i.e. 300ml of milk in a 1L jug)
    Buschy

    Larger jug with larger quantity of milk
    However that said I have stretched 150 ml of milk in a 600 ml jug
    Larger amount of milk volume will also increase the time to complete the stretch
    (Larger amounts of milk may also require an extra second of air)

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Thanks KK. Ive been putting up with using the panarello on my previous machine so Im a complete novice on steaming using a proper steam wand. Much clearer now.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Nicely succinct guide KK to using a 4 hole wand ;)

    Id just add that "theres more than one way to skin a [s]cat[/s] proverbial".

    My NS Mac wand is lever actioned, so its basically off, or on with full steam - no ability to moderate output. Its a 4 hole, & bloody powerful, so I had to learn early how to monitor texturing with this machine considering the speed of full-boil.

    Ive found, after many years of practice on this full-on commercial HX, that this method achieves micro-foam regularly (dependant on the type of milk youre using of course ;)):

    I ...

    1) Hold the jug in my left hand, with the spout aimed at 2 to 3 oclock, with jug tilted down aiming spout to the right, about 20 degrees down;

    2) Considering the power of a 4 hole, the colder the milk the better, because it gives you more time & leverage to work it;

    3) Add 400 - 500 ml milk in the 1 litre jug, concentrated towards the spout due to the angle of jug positioning;

    4) If you can visualise milk in a jug segmented into quadrants, then you can visualise that I place my wand, with jug tilted, in the third;

    5) The angled-jug positioning achieves the swirling whirlpool that you want to get micro-foam from;

    Everything KK has outlined I reckon is on the mark - but Ive just added a few tips. Angle your jug to get the eddy effect happening, keep the wand quite immersed if 4 hole, & trust your hand after awhile for temp optimum.

    & remember, skims protein enzymes have been altered, so it foams quicker than full cream, & soy has a lower boiling temp than cow milk, so need to pull it off quicker.

    Tony

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1220959662/0#8 date=1221109158
    Nicely succinct guide KK to using a 4 hole wand ;)

    Id just add that "theres more than one way to skin a [s]cat[/s] proverbial".
    Tony
    Side topic, hope it gets answered in not too many posts otherwise it might get moved. I never quite understood that saying. Why would anyone want to skin a cat? A crocodile yup... you get wallets, a deer for the meat, but a cat? :-?

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Great to see KKs method up in lights! :) Hopefully it will remain at the top of this section for all those struggling with their microfoam (as I was, until just recently). So great to be drinking lattes once again! ;) Cheers once again KK!

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by NewToEspresso link=1220959662/0#9 date=1221123294
    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1220959662/0#8 date=1221109158
    Nicely succinct guide KK to using a 4 hole wand ;)

    Id just add that "theres more than one way to skin a [s]cat[/s] proverbial".
    Tony
    Side topic, hope it gets answered in not too many posts otherwise it might get moved. I never quite understood that saying. Why would anyone want to skin a cat? A crocodile yup... you get wallets, a deer for the meat, but a cat? :-?
    Im fond of etymology and one of my trusted sources gives a response to your question though not definitive unfortunately.
    The expression and its roots appear to be lost in the mists of time.
    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-mor1.htm


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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Hi KK,

    Just wanted to say thanks. Using your tips, my microfoam has taken a huge leap forward using the Jura X9 at my office. My 6910 at home seems to be playing hardball with me though. I think the steam tip needs much finer movements, otherwise the bubbles end up too big to break down.

    ACog

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by ACog link=1220959662/0#12 date=1221302888
    Hi KK,

    Just wanted to say thanks. Using your tips, my microfoam has taken a huge leap forward using the Jura X9 at my office. My 6910 at home seems to be playing hardball with me though. I think the steam tip needs much finer movements, otherwise the bubbles end up too big to break down.

    ACog

    Great to hear ACog and welcome

    For the home machine
    Try the technique as described
    However when you take the jug to the side tilt it so the steam force is hitting the rounded corner of the jug.
    By doing this the steam push force is increased and will create a better whirlpool
    I am pretty sure it will help with your 6910
    Give it a go and report back ;)

    KK

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Just be careful with the 6910.
    Juuuust break the surface or else you will get big bubbles.
    Luckily its fairly easy otherwise.

    The secret is.............practise, practise, practise.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Hi Andy
    I have just purchased a new machine Isomac Millenium - I am very happy with the way it performs the only problem I was having was stretching my milk but by using your tips it worked fantastically - it has a four whole head and I found it too strong to do my milk. In the end I was just ending up with bubbles and not that nice creamey texture when it is properly done. So thanks again for your tips on microfoam - plus I have forwarded this on to my son, as he wanted to know how to create microfoam.

    :D ::)

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    I know this is an old thread, but I have to say, damn this method works really well on me BZ07. :) Thanks KK!

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam - VBM Domobar Piccolo

    Some advice for owners of the VBM Domobar Piccolo/Levetta/Vaschetta: do not open the steam/hot water valve fully when texturing milk.

    The Piccolo seems to push out a fair bit of steam if the valve is opened too far or if you allow the steam pressure to build too high. I found that at full throttle and/or high steam pressure, I would get usually get over-textured milk at best and often big bubbles or milk spilling over the side of the jug. This was also advised by Sal from ECA

    After purging water from the steam wand, wait until the steam pressure builds up to about 2 bar or slightly more. Insert the tip into the milk as advised in KKs method and open the valve about a 1/4 - 1/3 turn.

    Also (though slightly OT) only steam one 600ml jug at at time on the Piccolo or risk burning out the element. If there is a need to steam more than one jug, its best to prime the boiler before steaming the next jug. At a pinch, you can empty the boiler of some steam (open the steam valve for a few seconds) and hit the hot water switch (without turning the steam valve on). When you hear the vibe pump change tone, the boiler will have been refilled. Briefly purge the steam wand and you are ready to texture your next jug. This is also a tip from Sal but, once again, he advises that it is best to prime the boiler properly between jugs.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Ive been giving this technique a go over the weekend with my new Levetta. For most of it, I was getting close to zero microfoam so Im pretty sure Im not doing it right. :(

    Can someone please tell me if I should be expecting swirling... cos Im not seeing any swirling.

    And just to clarify, should I dunk the tip well into the milk after the first second or still keep it relatively close to the top to keep entraining air after the first second? If I plunge it into the milk, Im finding no foam develops and theres a lot of high-pitched screaming (and thats not just from me).

    Lastly, Ive tried opening the valve a bit less as per flynn_aus latest tip... otherwise its over all too quickly and my milk stays very thin. Is this anyone elses experience?

    As it stands, I can get better microfoam using my old Sunbeam cheapie... so thats prob saying something about my technique with the Levetta! :-[

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 0015560 link=1220959662/18#18 date=1238988100
    Can someone please tell me if I should be expecting swirling... cos Im not seeing any swirling.

    And just to clarify, should I dunk the tip well into the milk after the first second or still keep it relatively close to the top to keep entraining air after the first second? If I plunge it into the milk, Im finding no foam develops and theres a lot of high-pitched screaming (and thats not just from me).

    Lastly, Ive tried opening the valve a bit less as per flynn_aus latest tip... otherwise its over all too quickly and my milk stays very thin. Is this anyone elses experience?
    Yes, you should see swirling. As per my instructions, make sure you dont let the pressure build up to more than 2 on the gauge, insert the tip into the milk (not the whole arm) and then crack open the steam valve. Slightly lower the jug until the tip is sitting at the surface and you can hear the chchchch sound as air is mixed with the steam to expand the milk. When the volume increases by 20 - 25%, lower the tip slightly and move the jug so that the steam arm is at the side of the jug. You will probably notice a tumbling motion but, ideally, it will be a whirlpool. It also takes some practice to get the whirlpool but tumbling is OK.
    Use a thermometer rather than your hand to judge temp until you get used to steaming. Turn off the valve when the temp reaches about 58°

    When you do the home barista course, it will become clearer. Milk texturing is more difficult than shot pouring IMO.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A7C6B74731D0 link=1220959662/16#16 date=1238462067
    I know this is an old thread, but I have to say, damn this method works really well on me BZ07. *:) *Thanks KK!
    Great to hear Gavin
    We can now expect some great latte art from you soon

    I used this very method on the LM FB80 at Veneziano Brisbane a couple of weeks ago
    Worked a treat on it as well

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B5E1D0 link=1220959662/18#18 date=1238988100
    Ive been giving this technique a go over the weekend with my new Levetta. For most of it, I was getting close to zero microfoam so Im pretty sure Im not doing it right. Sad
    Hi VC
    You could try it at full steam strength at the beginning and after the introduction of air reduce to 2/3 steam strength

    The steam strength on my dial is generally 1 to 1.5

    Persist with it and let the steam do the work

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B4F464645457F6B4F534D4F200 link=1220959662/20#20 date=1238996728
    You could try it at full steam strength at the beginning and after the introduction of air reduce to 2/3 steam strength *
    As per my earlier posts specific to the Levetta and also advised by ECA, do NOT open the steam valve to full strength. About 1/4 turn is enough.

    The Levetta is not an HX machine KK. The boiler needs to heat up to produce steam and steam pressure can build up quickly. You dont get the constant steam pressure of a HX. Full blast on the steam valve of the Levetta and you get big bubbles, no troubles.

    I know your OP says your technique has been tested on the Levetta but from my experience I get better results by not turning the steam valve on full. Its also important to not let the steam pressure to go above 2 on the manometer gauge.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Thanks, KK & flynn_aus... I now have a better idea of what Im aiming for.

    Quote Originally Posted by 060C190E0E011513600 link=1220959662/19#19 date=1238989173
    You will probably notice a tumbling motion but, ideally, it will be a whirlpool.
    I can imagine the tumbling but Im a bit intrigued about the whirlpool considering the holes shoot out in four different directions. Is the surface if the milk perpendicular to the wand when generating the whirlpool or do you angle the jug and/or wand? From earlier posts, it sounds like its all quite perpendicular. In any case, Ill take it one step at a time and see how I go...

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    [QUOTE=0106020D050F1A0A0D04630 link=1220959662/1#1 date=1220961583]Hi KK good idea,

    your type of method works well for me on my single steam outlet domestic machine. I find best results if I surf the top of the milk to about 35-40 degrees then plunge the wand deeper into the milk to 60-65 degrees. Hotter on the initial surf (40+) gets really stiff hard foam :( Key for me was dont overdo the initial bit on the top of the milk for nice microfoam.


    BeanFlying thanks for the temperature tips i also have a single hand steam wand this method is working a treat.
    Cheers

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    yes yes yes! *:D

    I just make a cappa, and following this method I maked the best latte art (a heart) since I have my MiniVivaldi (3 months).

    Thanks for sharing this technique, KK!! *;D


    (Just after making the cappa I went to take a photo. The stupid camera was run out of battery >:()

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Hi KK

    I tried out your technique on my 2 hole Expobar cool touch wand and the results were great!
    The foam seems to flow better out of the jug and makes for better latte art.

    Thanks
    Gavin

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    2 hearts from my uncontrolably steaming beast following KK technique:

    http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/otonbrown/P1020274_550px.jpg

    :)


    (when I post pics directly in the forum, the pics lose quality.. its a forum bug?)

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F7D554B4E4E4B434F511A1A220 link=1220959662/23#23 date=1239167033
    your type of method works well for me on my single steam outlet domestic machine. I find best results if I surf the top of the milk to about 35-40 degrees then plunge the wand deeper into the milk to 60-65 degrees
    I did a lot of experimenting and found an easy way to micro-foam milk

    Quote Originally Posted by 4D564D4C220 link=1220959662/24#24 date=1239232176
    yes yes yes! *:D

    I just make a cappa, and following this method I maked the best latte art (a heart) since I have my MiniVivaldi (3 months).

    Thanks for sharing this technique, KK!! *;D
    Hola Oton You are very welcome
    How is the Bartista Training going

    Nice Hearts Oton
    pretty soon you will be doing Rosettas *


    Quote Originally Posted by 64574E4150574F220 link=1220959662/25#25 date=1239695897
    Hi KK

    I tried out your technique on my 2 hole Expobar cool touch wand and the results were great!
    The foam seems to flow better out of the jug and makes for better latte art.

    Thanks
    Gavin
    Excellent Gavin
    Great to hear you are achieving great micro-foam results & *it works just as well on 2 hole steam tips

    KK


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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 6955485359584F5A52593D0 link=1220959662/11#11 date=1221131837
    Quote Originally Posted by NewToEspresso link=1220959662/0#9 date=1221123294
    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1220959662/0#8 date=1221109158
    Nicely succinct guide KK to using a 4 hole wand ;)

    Id just add that "theres more than one way to skin a [s]cat[/s] proverbial".
    Tony
    Side topic, hope it gets answered in not too many posts otherwise it might get moved. I never quite understood that saying. Why would anyone want to skin a cat? A crocodile yup... you get wallets, a deer for the meat, but a cat? :-?
    Im fond of etymology and one of my trusted sources gives a response to your question though not definitive unfortunately.
    The expression and its roots appear to be lost in the mists of time.
    http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-mor1.htm
    As some one who has had to skin, many of the damn things...

    Let me tell you; they are not easy, if you want a good quality skin.. Then you get great $$$ and a really fine leather... Fashion!!!!

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    I just found this thread and gave it a try last night. Fantastic results! Thank you for the tips.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Just thought I would post a video by CS member Oton using this method
    One handed as well

    [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlUI0t3-2SE[/media]

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    awesome video there. works a treat and im home at lunch time to make me a coffee!!!!!

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 12363F3F3C3C0612362A3436590 link=1220959662/0#0 date=1220959662
    This microfoam method is repeatable
    However (so far) it has bean tested on machines with ample available steam like VBM Levetta and larger HX machines with 2 to 4 steam hole tips

    NOTE
    I have not tested it out on smaller machines so I can’t say that it will work but would like willing testers to give it a go and report back
    (We may require another repeatable method for these machines if it does not work)

    *
    Method
    Stretching milk with a 4 hole steam tip *
    *
    There is a technique to using a 4 hole steam tip *
    So please follow these easy steps *
    *
    Purge water from steam wand *
    Use a loose hand not stiff *
    At first use 300 ml jug and fill with cold milk to just under the lower part of pour spout *
    Place wand just under milk in the middle of jug at 90 deg (no angle) and only give it air in the first second no more and then just keep wand under the surface
    Important - turn on steam knob to "full steam strength” *
    Allow steam to do the work and when milk starts to foam keep wand at 90 deg but move jug to one side until the steam wand hits the side of jug *
    This all happens in about 10 seconds and before you know it you have micro-foam *
    *
    This easy method is for high steam power machines with multiple steam holes in the wand *
    *
    When you get the hang of it you can progress to larger milk jugs *
    *
    Koffee Kosmo


    (great post KK) ;)
    Andy.
    Quote Originally Posted by 12363F3F3C3C0612362A3436590 link=1220959662/0#0 date=1220959662
    This microfoam method is repeatable
    However (so far) it has bean tested on machines with ample available steam like VBM Levetta and larger HX machines with 2 to 4 steam hole tips

    NOTE
    I have not tested it out on smaller machines so I can’t say that it will work but would like willing testers to give it a go and report back
    (We may require another repeatable method for these machines if it does not work)

    *
    Method
    Stretching milk with a 4 hole steam tip *
    *
    There is a technique to using a 4 hole steam tip *
    So please follow these easy steps *
    *
    Purge water from steam wand *
    Use a loose hand not stiff *
    At first use 300 ml jug and fill with cold milk to just under the lower part of pour spout *
    Place wand just under milk in the middle of jug at 90 deg (no angle) and only give it air in the first second no more and then just keep wand under the surface
    Important - turn on steam knob to "full steam strength” *
    Allow steam to do the work and when milk starts to foam keep wand at 90 deg but move jug to one side until the steam wand hits the side of jug *
    This all happens in about 10 seconds and before you know it you have micro-foam *
    *
    This easy method is for high steam power machines with multiple steam holes in the wand *
    *
    When you get the hang of it you can progress to larger milk jugs *
    *
    Koffee Kosmo


    (great post KK) ;)
    Andy.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    hello kosmo, i just wanted to ask what do you mean by " loose hand"

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 545A435350594E360 link=1220959662/33#33 date=1247018576
    hello kosmo, i just wanted to ask what do you mean by " loose hand"
    Most people when starting off have the arm and body muscles tense which cause a cascade effect. This results to holding the jug with a clenched fist.
    Just relax the body & your grip and let the steam do the work :)

    KK

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    Quote Originally Posted by 153138383B3B0115312D33315E0 link=1220959662/34#34 date=1247020101
    Quote Originally Posted by 545A435350594E360 link=1220959662/33#33 date=1247018576
    hello kosmo, i just wanted to ask what do you mean by " loose hand"
    Most people when starting off have the arm and body muscles tense which cause a cascade effect. This results to holding the jug with a clenched fist.
    Just relax the body & your grip and let the steam do the work * :)

    KK

    giggled like a schoolgirl....


    I can not wait till the wife gets home and when she asks for a coffee ( She tells me the coffee in Italy has been crap and over priced - or Americianised ).

    I am going to say... You need a loose hand....


    Then when she looks at me that that G Rated expression...

    Just relax the body & your grip and let the steam do the work....

    I am going to cop it between the eyes...





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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Thanks for all the tips!
    I just got some excellent milk from our work machine.. I was very happy. Only problem was I turned my back for 2 seconds and my work mate had picked up the jug and started to froth it again. He told me my milk wasnt frothed enough and continued until it had more than doubled in size.
    Arghhhh... So annoyed!!!!!

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Ive been testing this method for the past week on my Gaggia Classic. It works perfect and i can make perfect microfoam thats not bubbly.

    No need to buy the Silvia wand for the Gaggia when you can do just as good a job with the standard wand.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    I just discovered this fantastic thread and I cant believe that such a simple method actually works and has solved all my problems (on a VBM with heaps of power) and prevented me wasting another 100 litres of milk - an exaggeration but it feels like that.

    I reckon Ive watched every you-tube video on steaming, Ive plugged one hole with a toothpick, tried another steam tip etc etc and had nearly given up until I tried KKs method.

    Not only is this repeatable but controllable in that it is easy to go from a latte to a capp by simply altering the time you move from the middle of the jug to the edge.

    My success rate has gone from 20% to 99.9% and the only time I fail now is due to old milk not my technique. :)

    I highly recommend this method to newbies like me who have gone from an underpowered 6910 to high powered machines like VBMs

    KK your blood is worth bottling!!! ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 616271716A030 link=1220959662/38#38 date=1264574157
    I just discovered this fantastic thread and I cant believe that such a simple method actually works and has solved all my problems (on a VBM with heaps of power) and prevented me wasting another 100 litres of milk - an exaggeration but it feels like that.

    I reckon Ive watched every you-tube video on steaming, Ive plugged one hole with a toothpick, tried another steam tip etc etc and had nearly given up until I tried KKs method.

    Not only is this repeatable but controllable in that it is easy to go from a latte to a capp by simply altering the time you move from the middle of the jug to the edge.

    My success rate has gone from 20% to 99.9% and the only time I fail now is due to old milk not my technique. * :)

    I highly recommend this method to newbies like me who have gone from an underpowered 6910 to high powered machines like VBMs

    KK your blood is worth bottling!!! *;)
    All of the above! ... Especially the bit about flippin tooth picks and blood bottlin. I think the last straw almost came when wife saw the packet of toothpicks and the milk jug flying out the back door. She said no wonder the parrot swears so much!

    But this is one of the most helpful threads Ive found for ages. Ive really been struggling with my recently aquired Faema Mr. Gorilla E98 with four hole tip and enough steam to drive Puffing Billy. Now I get microfoam no problems.

    And I can even practice with soap and water to get microfoam and whirlpools - although my wife needs lots of chocolate on her cappas cos she doesnt like the taste of Dawn dish washing detergent.

    Thankyou KK - I love you :-* (wife wants to adoopt you.)

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 29203320372637202824450 link=1220959662/39#39 date=1264676061
    Quote Originally Posted by 616271716A030 link=1220959662/38#38 date=1264574157
    I just discovered this fantastic thread and I cant believe that such a simple method actually works and has solved all my problems (on a VBM with heaps of power) and prevented me wasting another 100 litres of milk - an exaggeration but it feels like that.

    I reckon Ive watched every you-tube video on steaming, Ive plugged one hole with a toothpick, tried another steam tip etc etc and had nearly given up until I tried KKs method.

    Not only is this repeatable but controllable in that it is easy to go from a latte to a capp by simply altering the time you move from the middle of the jug to the edge.

    My success rate has gone from 20% to 99.9% and the only time I fail now is due to old milk not my technique. * :)

    I highly recommend this method to newbies like me who have gone from an underpowered 6910 to high powered machines like VBMs

    KK your blood is worth bottling!!! *;)
    All of the above! ... Especially the bit about flippin tooth picks and blood bottlin. I think the last straw almost came when wife saw the packet of toothpicks and the milk jug flying out the back door. She said no wonder the parrot swears so much!

    But this is one of the most helpful threads Ive found for ages. Ive really been struggling with my recently aquired Faema Mr. Gorilla E98 with four hole tip and enough steam to drive Puffing Billy. Now I get microfoam no problems.

    And I can even practice with soap and water to get microfoam and whirlpools - although my wife needs lots of chocolate on her cappas cos she doesnt like the taste of Dawn dish washing detergent.

    Thankyou KK - I love you :-* (wife wants to adoopt you.)
    Watch out KK.. Ya might make a stickey and not a toothpick ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 012E2725320D212E2127252D252E34400 link=1220959662/40#40 date=1264676318

    Watch out KK.. Ya might make a stickey and not a toothpick *;D
    Im a greenbean, a hasbean and been called a Mr. Bean but never a stickybean *>:(

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    Quote Originally Posted by 535A495A4D5C4D5A525E3F0 link=1220959662/41#41 date=1264678794
    Quote Originally Posted by 012E2725320D212E2127252D252E34400 link=1220959662/40#40 date=1264676318

    Watch out KK.. Ya might make a stickey and not a toothpick *;D
    Im a greenbean, a hasbean and been called a Mr. Bean but never a stickybean *>:(
    I was referencing the fact that KKs post may well become a STICKY post in CS and not that he is stick thin ;)

    There was no inflection on you other than another happy person after following KK instructions.

    AM



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    Quote Originally Posted by 103F3634231C303F3036343C343F25510 link=1220959662/42#42 date=1264679312

    I was referencing the fact that KKs post may well become a STICKY post in CS and not that he is stick thin *;)

    There was no inflection on you other than another happy person after following KK instructions.

    AM
    I know - I took no offence. Was laughing when I posted - maybe my smiley should have been smiling :) But I am indeed happy to find such an easy solution to a problem what was annoying the suitcases out of me.

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    I know there are other threads on milk jugs but I just received a 350 ml motto jug from coffee parts and KKs method works even better. Well it appears that way anyway. The fatter bottom creates a different (better) sort of whirlpool and my latte art has improved as a result. I think the spout allows me to pour with a little more control.

    KK my wife doesnt want to adopt you but she wants to donate a cow to you. ;)



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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D6E7D7D660F0 link=1220959662/44#44 date=1264744880
    I know there are other threads on milk jugs but I just received a 350 ml motto jug from coffee parts and KKs method works even better. Well it appears that way anyway. The fatter bottom creates a different (better) sort of whirlpool and my latte art has improved as a result. I think the spout allows me to pour with a little more control.

    KK my wife doesnt want to adopt you but she wants to donate a cow to you. *;)

    You have me going now. After watching the video I was curious about the Motta and otons impressive results - nothing to do with the jug of course.

    But now I have to get one too and see what happens using KKs method to the letter. Using ondemands tips I have noticed (I think) that tilting the wand and not the jug gives a different whirlpool effect again. Interesting - or not. What with my pathetic attempts at baristering Im probably imagining things.

    Ill chip in for the cow

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    When a user learns to micro-foam with such a simple method,its like a veil has been lifted

    No stress & repeatable results gives one the confidence to alter and experiment with slight variations to suit the user & machine

    P.S. The method also works on a LM FB80

    Thanks for the kind words
    It looks like I am also a marriage counsellor ::)

    Now where will I put that cow man ;D

    KK

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6C4841414242786C48544A48270 link=1220959662/46#46 date=1264765033

    Now where will I put that cow man * ;D

    KK
    Pull the udder one ::). Does it matter how strong the whirlpool effect is? My E98 really pushes it so the outside edge is near the top of the jug but the centre is down near the bottom of the spout.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2D243724332233242C20410 link=1220959662/47#47 date=1264805485
    Does it matter how strong the whirlpool effect is? My E98 really pushes it so the outside edge is near the top of the jug but the centre is down near the bottom of the spout.

    Don
    Just turn the steam down to a comfortable output
    It will only add a few seconds to the steaming process

    KK

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    Re: Some tricks for creating great microfoam

    But obviously for a single-hole steam tip, the technique is different right? (As in, one needs to tilt the jug to create the swirling action, whereas with a multi-tip it can create swirling no matter the angle? Correct me if im wrong :) ). And do you believe it matters if (with a single-hole tip) the creating of foam is done with the tip at the edge of the milk (against the jug wall) as opposed to in the centre of the jug?

    Cheers!

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