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    TV is losing Viewers? I Wonder Why.

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    The introduction of OZTAM ratings which replaced the viewing diaries exposed the fallacy of the old ratings and showed that viewers have deserted the networks.

    Is it any wonder?


    WHERE'S MY SHOW GONE?

    People are creatures of habit. They like stability and predictability in their lives.
    When reading a book, you turn page 15 and fully expect to see page 16 next.

    Not with TV programs. Timeslots chop and change from week to week, shows come and go unannounced.

    REPEAT AFTER ME....
    Repeats used to be screened after several months. Now, they happen hours later. And after months of endlessly repeating in a loop shows such as Modern family, Big Bang Theory, stations announce with fanfare BRAND NEW EPISODES next week.

    But hang on...the program guide says 7.30 Modern Family, 8 pm Modern family.

    Both new? One a repeat, the other new? But which one?

    After a couple of weeks, the two or three new episodes end, without fanfare, and its back to the endless repeats.

    ENCORE, ENCORE.

    But what am I saying. A repeat is no longer a repeat. Now it's an "encore". Or, having been shown last night, "by popular demand" it'll be repeated--sorry---encore---tonight.

    ON YOUR MARKS, GET SET, GO. ON TIME.

    Shows used to start on time to the second. Now it's all over the place, one station trying to get the advantage over the other by keeping viewers watching over the hour or half-hour mark at switchover time.

    Well, dear programmers, all you are doing is destroying even more goodwill among viewers.

    PROMOS.
    "In the sleepy country town...MURDER will happen" says the promo. Shock horror, not...m...m..murder!
    P-lease, Bonanza had a murder a week. So did Columbo. Midsomer murders have several each episode. Trying to sell a show on the basis of a murder being committed is like selling an X-rated pornographic film on the basis of the actress stripping to her underwear.

    PS, that guy doing promos on the 7 Network with that breathless voice...you really are most annoying.

    NOW HERE IS THE NEWS

    TV news is in a time warp, stuck in the 1980s when the slick 1 minute 30 seconds story was honed to the slick package it became. In newsrooms, the stories are called packages. Nicely boxed, and presented with a ribbon.

    But inside the attractive package you find trinkets. Overnight house fires. Car crashes. Shootings. Every parent's worst nightmare-type beat ups.

    Going LIVE to a reporter on the empty scene at 6 pm when the drama has been over for hours, is still presented as some miracle of communication, like broadcasting from the moon.

    Special investigations exclusive to a station...they are not news, but more like a shallow feature which, not being news, can be promoted on the weekend ahead of its screening next week.

    I really think people do want a window out to beyond their backyard and into the vast world beyond.

    On most stations the news appears to be presented by girls and boys barely out of their teens. They never age...they just quietly disappear to be replaced by the next batch of baby-faced kids.



    EPILOGUE

    In summary, Mr TV Networks, we may be silly to keep watching, especially after spending lots of cash on the new 60 inch screen...but we are not entirely stupid. So stop treating us like idiots...idiots watching the idiot box.

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    Many people now download what they want to watch - sites hold almost every show there is, and you can get the series, all at once and ad-free to watch when YOU want to watch.

    I almost, years back, went with pay TV, but about a month before I committed, as I was working out which deal I wanted, they started running adverts on Pay TV - now I might be a bit sensitive but there is NO WAY I am paying to have someone advertise to me.

    Also, why can't you go to the company and say, I want only these 5 (or 10 or whatever) channels - I do NOT want channels full of crap I don't watch on TV anyway. Instead they sell a 'package' that contains only a couple of the ones I actually want and a heap of ones I will never use.

    I sometimes wonder if the fanatical vigour with which the authorities pursue download sites (such as Demonoid where the US Govt threatened the Ukraine to get them to raid and take the servers the program was hosted on) is NOT about protecting Hollywood so much as making sure we don't have ways around getting our daily 'Consume-at-all-costs' programming. (adverts)

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    Watching what you want off a hard drive or a disc is such a better way to do it. You can watch two episodes tonight, or one in a few days, when you want to watch it.

    If we didn't have kids, I wouldn't have the aerial plugged in at all.

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    TV is losing Viewers? I Wonder Why.

    Stuff I download doesn't bombard me with ads for gambling, that's enough reason for me, although there are a hundred other reason why traditional TV is as dead as large department stores.

    Like department stores it'll still be with us for many years to come, but constantly decreasing in importance to our life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmawebb View Post
    If we didn't have kids, I wouldn't have the aerial plugged in at all.
    Funny you should mention that. I went to show a friend how I watch TV on my HD computer screen to find that the aerial had been unplugged sometime in the past--by the cats, I presume while playing--and I hadn't even noticed.

    Greg

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    If you haven't watched TV for a while, then you have a night in front of it, the 'brain dead' dfeeling after a couple of hours is enough to convince you to remove the antenna. :I had a laugh: I'd suggest being quick on the draw with the ad-stopper but the program content is almost as bad. At times you wind up wishing there were more ads.

    Another personal dislike is the cost of going to the movies - used to be a good night out but with the squizillions being paid to actors the price of a night out is ridiculous. Why does anyone deserve $20 million to turn up and learn some lines. Half the time they don't even get the body language right for their scene, so you have people declaring their love while shaking their heads, or failing to match posture to mood...

    Drop the wages to $1 million tops and actors would still have a nice rich lifestyle, and tickets to the movies would be maybe $5 and theatres would be packed again as families and couple could afford to go. AND you'd probably make major inroads on the illegal download industry.

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    It does take a bit of searching to find decent entertainment on TV these days. The constant changing of program times as well as the ever increasing number of ads just makes it all the more frustrating. Thankfully DVRs take care of that.

    If you're after a good laugh look up a program called "Horrible Histories". Its meant to be a kids educational program but alot of the humour is directed towards adults. Its been around for a long time and there are quite a few excerpts on YouTube. I think its shown on ABC3 (digital channel 23).
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    I also download most of what i want to watch in terms of TV series. Which leads mw to the reason why i download them... im so sick of watching a series on TV and in an hour long episode they seem to increase the amount of times the go to a add break by 50% in the last 20 mins of the show. if thats their way of getting you to sit on the edge of your seat waiting to know whats happening next i will stick to downloading the series where there is No adds...


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    I'm just grateful that free-to-air TV still exists and that it is possible to record it.
    I am very selective in what I watch and will only watch the occasional show in real time.
    I find Tom Waterhouse the most offensive presence on TV and avoid him and all other gambling enticements as they are a social evil.
    The ads for MKR (which I don't watch) are equally offensive with obnoxious people making rude statements about other contestants.
    I find a lot of very interesting documentaries on ABC and SBS with fewer annoying ad breaks.
    I keep a good book handy and mute the sound and read the book during ad breaks.
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    I have a Topfield PVR, with intelligent recording through Icetv. It has programmable 'skip' ahead buttons (which I have set to 2 minutes, 30 seconds and 10 seconds). Ads ain't a problem, and I watch only what I want, when I want.
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    I must agree ABC and SBS still and will always have the best shows, which are mainly interesting documentaries on world issues. As for 10,7 and 9 someone needs to let them know that this reality TV things isn't anything but embarrassing.

    I have thought and thought about one of those Topfield PVR players, maybe its time to give it ago...

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    An IceTV account is worth having? I'll check it out - until recently we were with Telstra but we gave that up (and saved $100+ per month on 2 mobiles, Internet and phone) and now we have only EPG. For those thinking of Telstra, don't bother with the T-Box - if you stop using Telstra it becomes a not-very-good PVR with almost no functionality.

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    What's EPG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Journeyman View Post
    An IceTV account is worth having? I'll check it out - until recently we were with Telstra but we gave that up (and saved $100+ per month on 2 mobiles, Internet and phone) and now we have only EPG. For those thinking of Telstra, don't bother with the T-Box - if you stop using Telstra it becomes a not-very-good PVR with almost no functionality.
    When I bought the Topfield, it came with 12 or 18 months IceTv subscription. After some initial teething problems relating to firmware on the PVR, it works well for me. About $8 a month over a year I believe. Whether people find that worth having......is up to them. Ice are pretty good at updating their EPG (and thus the recording schedule on my PVR) when networks make late changes to scheduled programme times. There are also some free Topfield apps that allow it to use free EPGs in a fairly 'intelligent' sense.....haven't used them myself though. The Topfield is not for everyone (doesn't play all video formats, for example), but if you have a basic competency with computers / networks it can do some pretty cool things.

    Gingercat, EPG = electronic program guide.

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    Ok, gotcha but how does that save $100 a month?

    CafeLotta, there's no doubt that the tv moguls are copying from the USA especially with news and current affairs, here is a parody that cracked me up....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNj0T4uK3lE

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    Telstra - 2 x mobile phones, business plans, circa $80 + extras on calls/texts
    Telstra - 1 x 200GB (uploads AND downloads) ADSL2+ and phone line - $100
    Most months, phones were around $120 - $140

    Spintel - 2 x mobiles ($650 on one, $500 on other) $48
    Spintel - unlimited ADSL 2+ and phone $69

    No brainer really...

    We went Telstra originally on moving up here because I was a computer tech with a several hundred km travel area - Telstra had best coverage. Since then Optus (with whom Spintel operate, have spent several million upgrading plus I am no longer a roving computer tech.

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    I see...... that's a great deal, I'm locked in with Telstra with 2 mobiles, internet and phone....but being out in Central West NSW and away from major towns, I'm stuck for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    When I bought the Topfield, it came with 12 or 18 months IceTv subscription. After some initial teething problems relating to firmware on the PVR, it works well for me.
    Hi Barry,

    I'm curious about the firmware problem you had. I had an Ice TV subscription for 12 months, but let it go once it expired.

    It worked well, but for one annoyance: after recording a set program, my TViX would remain on, and not turn off (i.e. go into standby).

    Does your Topfield always stay 'on' or does it go into standby?

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    Hey Joe (as a famous singer once cried),

    I've stuck with the November 2011 firmware, which was originally a bit iffy but after IceTV reconfigured their servers has been great. However, I also use an app that automatically shuts the Toppy down once a day (4am), and an app that makes it view a channel once a day (basically turns the machine on and 'views' channel 9 at 3pm). This ensures that it talks to IceTv frequently enough, although is probably only strictly necessary if nothing is scheduled to record for several days. IIRC my initial problems were related to the fact that the machine needed to be turned on / off every few days to ensure that it communicated with Ice.

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    @Joe - what firmware is your TViX on? I was on 1.9x - my TViX 6640N kept saying the server was uncontactable so I went to the web site (TViX Website - hope non-coffee sites are OK to post) and downloaded v2.1.0, stuck it on a USB drive and ran it on the box - now everything works just fine, although I can't say anything about IceTV because I don't have it.

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    A couple more annoyances...

    The station logos that remain on screen. Totally unnecesary when button on the remote control calls up the channel ID on the screen. The logos are intrusive and too large---nothing discreet about them.

    There is also a possibility they may cause screen burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    I'm just grateful that free-to-air TV still exists and that it is possible to record it.
    I am very selective in what I watch and will only watch the occasional show in real time.
    I find Tom Waterhouse the most offensive presence on TV and avoid him and all other gambling enticements as they are a social evil.
    The ads for MKR (which I don't watch) are equally offensive with obnoxious people making rude statements about other contestants.
    I find a lot of very interesting documentaries on ABC and SBS with fewer annoying ad breaks.
    I keep a good book handy and mute the sound and read the book during ad breaks.

    Thought you might like to know that both ABC and SBS have free online streams of their shows for some time now. 'Iview' is ABC's and their programmed content stays up for 14 days after it aired on tv. They also have additional 'repeats' content that stays up more permanently if you are just browsing for something to watch. 'SBS On Demand' is SBS's version and has a similar 14 day window after the program has aired before it is taken down.

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    Iview is amazing and you can watch it though Xbox, Playstation, Western Digital TV LIve, or a PC media server (probably other ways too.)

    Normally only 2 weeks worth but some shows they keep all of them available.

    It's really awesome if you can get it.

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    + any browser via their websites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiteStyle3 View Post
    Iview is amazing and you can watch it though Xbox, Playstation, Western Digital TV LIve, or a PC media server (probably other ways too.)

    Normally only 2 weeks worth but some shows they keep all of them available.

    It's really awesome if you can get it.
    Resolution of programmes through ABC iview is good but isn't quite up to my rather large TV (at least last time I bothered checking). Use it for missed programs but typically just watch on my PC.

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    Re: TV is losing Viewers? I Wonder Why.

    Ive got a raspberry pi running raspbmc (variant of xbmc media player). I can watch catchup tv from most aussie channels websites and, coupled with some dns meddling, even iPlayer (bbc).

    So good!

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    TV is losing Viewers? I Wonder Why.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrJack View Post
    Ive got a raspberry pi running raspbmc (variant of xbmc media player). I can watch catchup tv from most aussie channels websites and, coupled with some dns meddling, even iPlayer (bbc).

    So good!
    The thing that bugs me about doing it that way is that the quality on many "catch-up" offerings is pretty poor compared to the equivalent FTA broadcast. And it's harder to skip the ads. ;-)

    That being said, it's even more annoying when you download a UK or US version if a local FTA broadcast and realise that our broadcast quality is pretty crappy compared to other countries.

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    There are no ads. ABC quality isn't bad, and BBC have HD content.

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    Now that Robusto has mentioned it, I keep noticing the station IDs on the bottom of the screen.
    I noticed last night on the (pre-recorded) movie I was watching that WIN-GO had this massive logo in hot pink.
    Literally screamed at you from the screen. Who thought of that and what is their logic?
    Do they misguidedly think this is some sort of PR? I really wonder about the rationale used for some of these things.

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    It's meant to be an anti-piracy thing I think. So if you for some reason get caught with such content they can charge you for illegal piracy. e.g. you might record something then upload it to a torrent site - the logo means they have evidence you 'stole' the footage.

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    Yeah, sometimes the logo blends into the picture and looks to be part of the scene. The new SBS2 one is huge and hideous.

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    I don't tend to watch much TV over the air. Things rarely are on at the same time that I want to watch them.
    Exception is the cooking shows on SBS on a Thursday night which go on in the background while I cook dinner.
    The only commercial show I watch is Mr and Mrs Murder on Ten (I'm a fan of anything Micallef does), and it gets timeshifted and the ads fast forwarded as I'm usually doing something else at the time.
    ABC iView and YouTube makes up the rest of my TV viewing.



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