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    Aussie tennis, young players.

    Australian tennis! what a disgrace, we have two young male players who have ability but no heart, now we see an 18 year old male "Reigning Australian Open boys champion" charged with match fixing.

    Reigning Australian Open boys champion Oliver Anderson charged with match fixing

    It's a pleasure to watch the on court conduct of the likes of Federer and Nadal, kyrgios and Tomic are little more than an embarrassment to Australia, last nights display by Kyrgios put the icing on the cake, these guys need to shape up or ship out.

    Out of sorts Nick Kyrgios slumps to Hopman Cup loss
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Australian tennis! what a disgrace, we have two young male players who have ability but no heart, now we see an 18 year old male "Reigning Australian Open boys champion" charged with match fixing.

    Reigning Australian Open boys champion Oliver Anderson charged with match fixing

    It's a pleasure to watch the on court conduct of the likes of Federer and Nadal, kyrgios and Tomic are little more than an embarrassment to Australia, last nights display by Kyrgios put the icing on the cake, these guys need to shape up or ship out.

    Out of sorts Nick Kyrgios slumps to Hopman Cup loss
    1000% agree with you Yelta.

    I stopped watching tennis ages ago because of the petulant brats whose names you mentioned.

    Federer is an excellent role model, as is Nadal, but there are too many Kyrgios and Tomic types in tennis now. I'd rather watch Sesame Street.
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    I still watch and enjoy tennis, plenty of international players who know how to conduct themselves well, on and off court, for some reason the current crop of up and coming Aussies seem to excel at making arse holes of themselves.
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    Yeah- it's a shame that it seems many of the new generation appear to have idolised Mark Philippoussis (aka chicks and exotic cars) rather than Pat Rafter and the Marks...

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    Young Raonic from Canada is a class act. Kyrgios and Tomic could learn a few things from his example
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Young Raonic from Canada is a class act. Kyrgios and Tomic could learn a few things from his example
    I very much doubt either of em are capable of taking advice or learning from anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    I very much doubt either of em are capable of taking advice or learning from anyone.
    Ahh, come on, Jon. It ain't so bad. Besides, taking any sort of advice would reduce the enjoyment they clearly derive from being brazenly puckish upstarts!

    They're embarrassing, no doubt (especially Kyrgios), but at least they provide a little colour and entertainment on the court....and off, probably.

    Wouldn't be as much fun if everyone ​were a class act and on their best behaviour all the time. A little fire and passion never goes astray.

    As long as the tennis is good, I'm happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    Ahh, come on, John. It ain't so bad. Besides, taking any sort of advice would reduce the enjoyment they clearly derive from being brazenly puckish upstarts!

    They're embarrassing, no doubt (especially Kyrgios), but at least they provide a little colour and entertainment on the court....and off, probably.

    Wouldn't be as much fun if everyone ​were a class act and on their best behaviour all the time. A little fire and passion never goes astray.

    As long as the tennis is good, I'm happy.
    Tanking or faking an injury whenever they start to lose could hardly be classified as good tennis

    P.S. His name is Jon
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    Who pays their wages and what are those fans expecting when they part with their hard earned to watch professional elite sports people compete? What would anybody expect when they buy an expensive coffee machine - something that gives up or breaks down after 30 shots, whines constantly? Get on with the game and shut the puck up. If it wasn't for the dedicated viewers and fans some of these people would probably be pizza delivery boys or much worse, assuming they can only play the one sport .
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    Pardon, 'Jon'.

    Tanking or faking an injury whenever they start to lose could hardly be classified as good tennis
    Watch a different game, then. Easy.

    We can continue to split hairs, quibble over isolated incidents, distinguish a few remarks made here and there by this or that individual naughty player...or, heaven forbid, find something else to whinge about!

    On that note, I'm going to kick back and enjoy some tennis.

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    I don't like sports where the crowd has to be quiet for the players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    I don't like sports where the crowd has to be quiet for the players.
    Evening SBM, how is the Christmas break going?

    Keep in mind silence is golden, think I feel a song coming on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe4qk7Mijlo

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    I don't like sports where the crowd has to be quiet for the players.
    Fair enough indeed!

    What's your poison then? I peg you as a footy man, screaming misery at the ump and threatening his life from the comfort of the stadium (while sloshing your beer all over those poor bastards in the lower stands).

    I like boxing myself. Tennis is pretty good, too, if you can settle into it.

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    Evening Yelta!
    Having a good holiday thanks. Lots of cold brew (Leanne tried some tonight, which I consider a significant breakthrough!) and trying to get the hang of the roasting caper.
    I "succumbed to blending" before Christmas, with acceptable results I'm happy to say.
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    I enjoy sitting quietly in the stand to watch a bit of cricket, don't get me wrong. Im not sure if its just coincidence, but I happen to like these sports (which i attend) best: Aussie Rules, cricket, as well as netball, athletics.
    Golf & tennis have never really appealed to me. Thanks in no small part to John McEnroe. Couldn't stand him when I was a kid. The scarring has kept me from exposing myself to the wonderful Aussie personalities you mentioned above.

    Lawn bowls is great to watch (& play.) that's either an exception to my rule, or could it just be that no one watching could be bothered making noise?

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    Thought you were familiar Balthazar!

    Yes to footy. No to boxing, though I admire the skills in all sports.

    Go Tiges! This year...... PLEASE!
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    I enjoy sitting quietly in the stand to watch a bit of cricket, don't get me wrong.
    Hahaha I think Jon would probably prefer if I sat quietly in the stands (forum) too.

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    Aww...Dunno about that. Pretty sure Jon enjoys friendly banter.

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    Of course he does! I was being a tad facetious.

    Jon just happens to know I've trolled the forum in a past life/incarnation - and I suspect he's wondering if the pin's about to drop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    Of course he does! I was being a tad facetious.

    Jon just happens to know I've trolled the forum in a past life/incarnation - and I suspect he's wondering if the pin's about to drop.
    A few incarnations actually. You're not fooling everyone old mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    A few incarnations actually. You're not fooling everyone old mate
    Haha, I know. Well, I'm indulging in a little penance and apostasy. Still, prepared to accept the fact that some spilled milk can never be mopped. Nobody's perfect (especially not me).

    Speaking of tennis, I enjoyed watching Kristina Mladenovic the other night. She seems extremely gracious and graceful, and has consistently demonstrated incredible agility and poise. Hats off to the French for their win.
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    Too much money is given to these little turds which helps breed their bad little tempers and snotty little attitudes.

    I would love to take my foot to the backsides of some of these little creeps. Meanwhile formers servicemen are trying to get by on meagre pensions after putting their lives on the line as a service to the country.

    Tennis, football, no sport these days seems to escape it, too much money I say.

    time for a brew!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    Too much money is given to these little turds which helps breed their bad little tempers and snotty little attitudes.

    I would love to take my foot to the backsides of some of these little creeps. Meanwhile formers servicemen are trying to get by on meagre pensions after putting their lives on the line as a service to the country.

    Tennis, football, no sport these days seems to escape it, too much money I say.
    I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Too much money is undoubtedly given to a lot of people in a lot of different professional arenas, but so what? It's all just supply and demand.

    Besides, there's always going to be a few tempers flying around in sport. It comes squarely with the territory, so relax and enjoy it for what it is - entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Too much money is undoubtedly given to a lot of people in a lot of different professional arenas, but so what? It's all just supply and demand.

    Besides, there's always going to be a few tempers flying around in sport. It comes squarely with the territory, so relax and enjoy it for what it is - entertainment.

    Well i disagree, it's creeps like some of these sportsman that misbehave in society and it does have effect on other members of the community, young ladies sexually assaulted by meat head football players (& clubs), men assaults in and around licences premises by thugs that think because they're this sportsman or that sportsman that they can conduct themselves in whatever fashion the like.

    Didnt happen in the good old day, you never heard of Sir Donald Bradman or Richie Benaud going on a rampage trashing hotel rooms and organising gang bangs.

    Some certain members of the Tennis world are nothing but vile disgusting creatures....they're like little Hollywood brats......but each to their own balthazaG.

    Time for another brew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    Well i disagree, it's creeps like some of these sportsman that misbehave in society and it does have effect on other members of the community, young ladies sexually assaulted by meat head football players (& clubs), men assaults in and around licences premises by thugs that think because they're this sportsman or that sportsman that they can conduct themselves in whatever fashion the like.

    Didnt happen in the good old day, you never heard of Sir Donald Bradman or Richie Benaud going on a rampage trashing hotel rooms and organising gang bangs.

    Some certain members of the Tennis world are nothing but vile disgusting creatures....they're like little Hollywood brats......but each to their own balthazaG.

    Time for another brew.

    Why not tell us what you really feel Smee FWIW I agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    Well i disagree, it's creeps like some of these sportsman that misbehave in society and it does have effect on other members of the community, young ladies sexually assaulted by meat head football players (& clubs), men assaults in and around licences premises by thugs that think because they're this sportsman or that sportsman that they can conduct themselves in whatever fashion the like.

    Didnt happen in the good old day, you never heard of Sir Donald Bradman or Richie Benaud going on a rampage trashing hotel rooms and organising gang bangs.

    Some certain members of the Tennis world are nothing but vile disgusting creatures....they're like little Hollywood brats......but each to their own balthazaG.

    Time for another brew.
    Fair enough! FWIW I do think there's a strong element of truth in what you're saying. Most of them do indeed need their lights punched out, perhaps several times.

    I think in many cases the reason they aren't pulled into line more swiftly is because they also bring in a lot of money for other people, and so heads are turned the other way.

    Still, it's not all bad. There's always a few, boorish bad apples, but I would claim the majority of sportsmen and sportswomen do not fall into that category. It's just easier to think they do due to the influence of the media.

    Take comfort in the fact that there's nothing you can do about it. Continue to enjoy the show, and don't get too hung up on the "good old days" (whatever that means, and whatever they were). It's a thankless task that encourages melancholy.

    Time for another brew!?
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    It's funny Yelta, when I saw the news the other night with that little tennis cretin launching his tennis ball into that female tennis spectator, by blood boiled. I'm not exactly sure what she did, my guess she was flapping her gums, which is unacceptable in her behalf, however this does not give the excuse for this cretin to assault her with a tennis ball and its to his good fortune that I'm not that woman's husband or he may have well ended up flossing with the strings in his tennis racket. What a creep.

    No doubt he's the kind of man that will keep his own wife in check with a firm hand. My guess is he wouldn't of done that to me in the same circumstances.

    Its time to get tough on these so called stars of sport imo.

    Theres nothing wrong with the odd sports field Tantie but keep your grotty hands off the spectators and referees.

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    Absolutely BalthazaG,

    i always agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course as it makes the world interesting, however should I ever become Australia's first dictator, I will naturally outlaw it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    Absolutely BalthazaG,

    i always agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course as it makes the world interesting, however should I ever become Australia's first dictator, I will naturally outlaw it
    Can I be your enforcer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    Can I be your enforcer?

    Why not, actually I was going to offer you the Coffee portfolio, that's where you fly daily in your tax payer funded helicopter down to Andys to pick up my freshly roasted beans....it happens daily as Andy now roasts daily, just for me or he risks being fed to the dogs!

    With such travel entitlements you'll feel like a current day Member of parliament.

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    Sounds pretty good to me, Smee!

    As long as Andy's roasted some beans for me too, then we're ready to rock. Besides, I've always wanted a pilot's licence. However, the one point of contention I have is the comparison between myself and a Member of Parliament.

    Perhaps during one particular epoch or another these MPs distinguished themselves as nonpareil soapbox orators. However, over time it seems they've dropped all manner of style, wit, and Úlan - and replaced it with an endless drumroll of flatulence!

    I say to hell with them, and time (yet again) for another brew.
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    I didn't watch it fortunately but Kyrgios made a fool of himself again apparently.

    Seems to be an immature PITA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFM60 View Post
    I didn't watch it fortunately but Kyrgios made a fool of himself again apparently.

    Seems to be an immature PITA.
    I did, embarrassing.
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    Kyrgios just lost his Au Open round.

    I should feel upset an Aussie is out but because it's Kyrgios I'm not. Feeling quite the opposite actually.
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    You know what guys, I actually think it's far better for Kyrgios to keep up this losing streak, because eventually it'll brute force some humility onto him (hopefully, anyway). The same way a little baby has to self-soothe when left alone to its own devices in the crib for long enough.
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    Kyrgios..... poor guy. Fancy having having to live your life in front of all you armchair critics ... he's an immature kid for goodness sake and here you all are showing yourselves to be immature adults. When Nick grows up he'll one over you guys.
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    Nick Kyrgios was thrust into the spotlight a couple of years ago as Australia's next big tennis hope. We see it all too often; unable to handle the weight of expectations. Bernard Tomic is another example. Mark Philippoussis.
    I don't agree we should react by sinking the slipper into them. Instead, we need to direct attention away from them.
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    He said it at the press conference. Hes comfortable, not hungry. Winning is too much work so might as well just take it easy and get the easy money.

    He probably made more in this tournament than i will make this year.

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    I'll give credit where it's due, none due to Kyrgios in this fiasco, he's playing in an adult competition with adults, time to stop acting like a petulant brat and grow up, he must surely realise he has a major problem when, at the end of a match you get booed off the court by a home crowd, no one is sinking the slipper, his problems are of his own making, he needs to shape up or ship out.

    Tomic on the other hand dug deep and got on with the job, it was a tough game, Burgos was certainly not going to go away, full credit to him.

    His 7-5, 7-6, 4-6, 7-6 win means he will play Daniel Evans in his third round match, after the Brit upset seventh seed Marin Cilic earlier on day three.
    Tomic at no point had it easy. His opponent, Victor Estrella Burgos, is 36 years old but ran like a much younger man.



    Great effort by Tomic without the histrionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    He said it at the press conference. Hes comfortable, not hungry. Winning is too much work so might as well just take it easy and get the easy money.

    He probably made more in this tournament than i will make this year.
    Does this justify his behavior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Kyrgios..... poor guy. Fancy having having to live your life in front of all you armchair critics ... he's an immature kid for goodness sake and here you all are showing yourselves to be immature adults. When Nick grows up he'll one over you guys.
    Says the guy calling him an immature kid...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Kyrgios..... poor guy. Fancy having having to live your life in front of all you armchair critics ... he's an immature kid for goodness sake and here you all are showing yourselves to be immature adults. When Nick grows up he'll one over you guys.
    He doesn't have to live his life "in front of all you armchair critics" his choice, if he's not suited to his chosen career perhaps he should consider a less demanding job, ah yes I hear you say, he only knows how to play tennis, it's his problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    I'll give credit where it's due ...

    Great effort by Tomic without the histrionics.
    Odd that you say that. Tomic has had his fair share of "histrionics" in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Odd that you say that. Tomic has had his fair share of "histrionics" in the past.
    Nothing odd about it, as I said credit where it's due, Tomic made a real effort last night without any fuss, did you watch the match?

    If Kyrgios can sort his demons out I'll be the first to acknowledge the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    If Kyrgios can sort his demons out....
    Agreed. Perhaps he'd just sooner play basketball. If that's what he wants, he certainly has the means to do it...

    If not, he's a great mentor/coach, his mind and a little maturity away from being great.

    When he's on task, he is scintillating and I wish him all the best regardless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Kyrgios..... poor guy. Fancy having having to live your life in front of all you armchair critics ... he's an immature kid for goodness sake and here you all are showing yourselves to be immature adults. When Nick grows up he'll one over you guys.
    I don't understand your attack on the forum members. Here we are discussing poor behaviour and for some reason you seem to being trying to deflect that.

    Fact is, if you became famous, for whatever reason and behave like a twat, folk will talk about it.

    Nothing said here has been said out of line with that. I'd also suggest there's a fair bit of maturity amongst forum members here, which is why the forum isn't littered with personal attacks.

    Thats not you is it nick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    He doesn't have to live his life "in front of all you armchair critics" his choice, if he's not suited to his chosen career perhaps he should consider a less demanding job, ah yes I hear you say, he only knows how to play tennis, it's his problem.
    Besides which Yelta, I'm critising from my ivory tower, who sits in armchairs these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman View Post
    Agreed. Perhaps he'd just sooner play basketball. If that's what he wants, he certainly has the means to do it...

    If not, he's a great mentor/coach, his mind and a little maturity away from being great.

    When he's on task, he is scintillating and I wish him all the best regardless...
    Me too. I actually quite like it when he rouses the crowd, and I don't always mind his cheeky, smartarse demeanour. Sure, he can be embarrassing and spit his dummy onto the court, but at least he has heart.

    When I said it would be far better for him to continue his losing streak, what I really meant to say was that it would be cruel to be kind, and not as a punishment for his behaviour. I think he could really come into his own once he's been bruised and tendered enough.

    Young sportsmen often throw themselves into the game with enough gusto to topple a rhino, but they can burn out quickly if they don't keep a long-term perspective and temper their stamina.

    Yes, I know Kyrgios can give the umpire a hard time when he's angry, but at the end of the day I think he's really getting angry with himself (even if he tries to direct it elsewhere).

    He's young. Plenty of time to age like a fine wine (if he so chooses).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    Me too. I actually quite like it when he rouses the crowd, and I don't always mind his cheeky, smartarse demeanour. Sure, he can be embarrassing and spit his dummy onto the court, but at least he has heart.

    When I said it would be far better for him to continue his losing streak, what I really meant to say was that it would be cruel to be kind, and not as a punishment for his behaviour. I think he could really come into his own once he's been bruised and tendered enough.

    Young sportsmen often throw themselves into the game with enough gusto to topple a rhino, but they can burn out quickly if they don't keep a long-term perspective and temper their stamina.

    Yes, I know Kyrgios can give the umpire a hard time when he's angry, but at the end of the day I think he's really getting angry with himself (even if he tries to direct it elsewhere).

    He's young. Plenty of time to age like a fine wine (if he so chooses).
    If he gets the chance to age that is.

    If he miss behaves on the court he probably misbehaves outside as well, one day he might land himself in trouble with the law and he might end up playing cell mates with Bubba & he'll end up spitting more than dummies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smee View Post
    If he gets the chance to age that is.

    If he miss behaves on the court he probably misbehaves outside as well, one day he might land himself in trouble with the law and he might end up playing cell mates with Bubba & he'll end up spitting more than dummies.


    You keep that up Smee, I'm loving these provocative and impudent remarks. Cheeky bastard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalthazarG View Post
    You keep that up Smee, I'm loving these provocative and impudent remarks. Cheeky bastard!
    Nothing Provocative or impudent in it at all Balt.

    A few years ago I was riding my motorcycle along a lovely country road enjoying the ride, enjoying the scenery when I was passed by a gang of young careless mugs on their sports bikes, riding like young loonies.

    A few KM's up the road I saw them all stopped in a rest area bragging about incredible feats, so I stopped to chat to them. I stayed long enough to explain to them there's 2 types of motorcyclists. There's old motorcyclists and bold motorcyclists but there's no Old Bold motorcyclists.

    What I'm suggesting is simply this, if young Nicholas can't behave on the court, there's a fair chance he can't behave in other places, this could land him in strife, young Tomic could advise him about that.

    You may doubt what I'm saying but eventually you'll realise I'm right, eventually Young Nicholas might realise too, the sooner the better.
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