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Thread: Yesterday's plane crash in Melbourne

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    Yesterday's plane crash in Melbourne

    It is bad enough that 5 people have lost their lives and their families have lost their loved ones.

    Now the media is ripping into the pilot for a "close shave" two years ago. The closest the two aircraft got was 1.8 km apart and 90 metres vertically. CLOSEST that is, in a slower small plane in poor visibility. Also was some incorrect information given over the radio and GPS inaccuracy placing him 10 miles west of Mt Hotham when he was 10 miles east.......

    What about his 38 yr otherwise safe flying record?

    Talk about speaking ill of the dead and his poor wife having to read this stuff while losing her husband...........
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    I heard that this morning without the detail. My first thought was that it was irrelevent and now i know the detail it is even more so
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    Spot on, my thoughts exactly LMF60.

    Once again the media have have shown their true colours, shit stirring, gormless, parasites.

    When it comes to the media nowadays, believe little, question everything.

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    Agree with you Trentski and Yelta. It is irrelevant. Yesterday's tragedy was engine failure at a very low altitude.

    We don't know the reason yet why he couldn't turn back on the second engine. Not enough speed and height to turn, I guess. Only a matter of seconds in time to make things happen.

    "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story" (they say)
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    Yeah, typical media sensationalist BS.

    I've heard from somebody who actually knew the guy that he was a well respected, skilled pilot. I put a lot more stock in that account than I do in the media reports.
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    Hate to speculate, but I'm pretty damn sure I can tell you why that plane went down. Anyone in aviation should have a pretty good clue. And it won't have anything to do with pilot error while inflight. Can't say as much for ground ops though.
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    No doubt someone with industry knowledge, like yourself Leroy, will be spot on as to what really happened.

    I hate to see the media tearing apart this bloke's reputation almost immediately after the event. He can't defend himself and the news "deliverers" and I use that term very loosely, all repeat the story parrot fashion as it is passed around from one source to the next.

    It sickens me that there is no respect for his immediate family who are grieving the loss of their husband/father etc.

    Waiting until after an investigation is done, before laying blame, would be the decent thing for the media to do..........

    Rant over........for now

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    It seems crazy to me to have airfields encircled by a built-up area. This should never have been allowed to happen. There should always be open areas at both ends of any landing strip.
    The most dangerous time for any aircraft is takeoff and landing. If this pilot had had somewhere to go he may have put it down without loss of life.
    Sounds like government have stuffed up again.
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    Agreed- a failure of the feathering mechanism seems at the very least plausible.

    I'll be surprised if it comes up as pilot error. RIP to the poor 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman View Post
    Agreed- a failure of the feathering mechanism seems at the very least plausible.
    It seems likely by the way he drifted to the left 2mcm.

    As Rocky pointed out, having buildings so close is crazy. The runway would have been there long before DFO and all the others

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFM60 View Post
    The runway would have been there long before DFO and all the others
    Yes- it was...

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    A little more info is emerging.
    An article in the last WE Australian suggested that this particular (and similar) aircraft would not have been able to maintain a climb (or even level flight) on one engine, with the gear down as it was in this case.
    This is not a criticism of the pilot as it takes several seconds to retract the landing gear and at this altitude he simply did not have several seconds - as soon as the engine failed he'd have gone stick-forward to avoid a stall, and so in effect he was already in a dive and appears to have been steering it away from the crowded freeway and other more populated areas (he had a tank full of AvGas).
    Not even Sully Sullenberger could have recovered this one.

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    Proximity of the buildings played no part in the cause or result of the accident. It looks like he was wing down when he clipped the roof.
    So its unlikely he could have effected a surviveable landing even in an open area.
    few airports have the luxury of open ground for a realistic area under or near low altitude zones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    he had a tank full of AvGas).
    Did he? Has that been confirmed?

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    He wouldnt have been leaving for King Island without one would he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    He wouldnt have been leaving for King Island without one would he?
    That's what the early news reports said, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    He wouldnt have been leaving for King Island without one would he?
    He shouldn't have had ANY Avgas in the tank as the King Air is a turboprop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    He shouldn't have had ANY Avgas in the tank as the King Air is a turboprop.
    Ahhh so diesel then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    Ahhh so diesel then?
    Jet A1 in this part of the world for turbine engines.

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    I've been overseas and only just found out about this! I knew the pilot and have most probably been in this plane. He used to fly our company employees into regional NSW and back weekly. He really was a great pilot and an awesome bloke. RIP Max!
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