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    Quote Originally Posted by Corretto link=1154442377/90#96 date=1162456194

    Way to go Lovey!! *;-)

    $12 at Bunnings according to Grendel :-)

    A datalogger is next on the list to?


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    I wouldnt recommend the bunning heat guns for coffee roasting and Ive had 4 of them.
    Firstly you may not get one, the xu1 series come and go from the stores as a promotional item but *more importantly they are slow. The nozzle velocity, ie the speed of the air, is much lower than the ryobis for instance, leading to longer times and smaller batches. *The faster blower fan in the ryobi helps greatly in the agitation of the beans although this may not be factor if using a BM.

    I havent measured heat ouput and regard the claimed watts rating with great skepticism but strongly suspect the temp to be much cooler than other units twith the same wattage rating.

    Thirdly they will die, all mine have gone belly up usually mid roast and Ive been pretty careful to keep them as cool as possible. Finally even though they are cheap to purchase at *$12, they only have a 12mnth warranty and you will probably have to exchange them at least twice in this period whilst the much more effective ryobi at $35-40 has a 3 year warranty and so far in my experience, 20kgs+ with this gun, will be better value in the long run as well as contributing to a more predictable and effective roasting experience.

    Ive had no experience with the more expensive makitas or boschs as the combination of high prices and short warranties doesnt appeal :(

    btw when bunnings first sold the xu1 they had a faster fan, lower wattage rating, cost $17 and only had 3 mnth warranty. After about 6mnths it was replaced with the new cheaper slower model

    stay tuned for more startling revelations and hidden secrets from the hidden history of heat guns ;)
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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    Quote Originally Posted by mauricem link=1154442377/90#100 date=1162472861
    Quote Originally Posted by Corretto link=1154442377/90#96 date=1162456194

    Way to go Lovey!! ;-)

    $12 at Bunnings according to Grendel :-)

    A datalogger is next on the list to?


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    I wouldnt recommend the bunning heat guns for coffee roasting and Ive had 4 of them.
    Belinda is recommending the Bunnings drill press - to hold the heat gun.... ;)

    I agree the Bunnings heatguns are definately not worth buying for roasting. :(

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    Yes, I was talking about the drill press to hold the HG as Java stated, which what is available at Bunnings.

    But thanks Maurice for pointing out the follies of buying a XUI HG. I had one of those and they arent worth the price you pay, even if it isnt much.

    Ive got a GMC Platinum HG now. But am still not satisfied completely with it. Its meant to be variable temperature wise, but Im still after something more variable, in both fan speed and temperature variables.

    The quest may never end :-)


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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    my GMC Platinum has 2 fan speeds as well as the variable temp - is that the same as yours? I bought it because of the 2 yr replacement warranty. . .

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    Yup, mines the same Grendel. Ive found the lower speed to be too slow though, when the 1st crack is reached. Unless mines dying already?

    Id really love to dial down the fan speed like you can dial down the temperature.

    There must be an answer ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Corretto link=1154442377/90#104 date=1162476735
    Id really love to dial down the fan speed like you can dial down the temperature.

    There must be an answer ....
    Belinda

    The problem is the fan is cooling the heater.... (and pushing out the hot air ;))

    So if you reduce the fan speed too much the gun will get too hot and the thermal overload will switch it off..

    The elements arent far from the plastic body and without the airflow the plastic case will melt.

    Im using your idea of an external fan blowing over the Corretto and HG.... it keeps the HG really cool.

    Its a pity my controller cant be added without opening the heatgun.... it has 12 totally repeatable steps of heat output (12 stage switch) and Im going to add another control which will give one rotation of the knob for 1 step of the switch..... even with just the 12 steps its easy to control the heat output (took me a while to get used to it.... but works real well now).

    Fan speed is left on high by the way and the beans I cooled in the corretto (by turning the heater off and just leaving the fan on) have turned out great - tried them this evening :)

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    Fair enough comments Java. Ill have to play more with the temp control on my HG I think. I"ve been leaving it on high fan speed for most of the roast now and just moving it up and down more.

    Here is a picture of my current setup. The lid really makes a big difference and adds a lot more control to the roast, especially ramping up the temperature quickly.

    Ill post some more data to the datalogging thread tomorrow. But suffice to say using the lid I couldve got a first crack at 5 minutes if I wanted to :-)

    This method follows my KISS principle ::) but it works so well ;D


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    Looking good there Belinda... :)

    The extra heat retention with the lid is obviously a big bonus.

    I leave my fan on high (mainly because thats all its got ;D) and I get first crack generally at about 9 minutes (with the heat output reduced one position)... I found that if I took them to first crack too quickly the temp just kept going up (even though Id reduced the heat) and I was into second crack far too fast.

    I then switch it down to setting 3 or 4 at 1st crack plus about a minute. Im adding the extra control as I reakon about 3.5 should allow me to extend the start of second crack to about 14-15 minutes (which from what Javaphile said should be ideal)....

    The beans which I took into second crack and then cooled in the BM have turned out fine.... Java suggested they might have been over roasted - which also worried me (but hey we have to experiment) and it worked fine - at least with the PNG Peaberry.

    Look forward to your graphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaB link=1154442377/105#107 date=1162481553
    The beans which I took into second crack and then cooled in the BM have turned out fine.... Java suggested they might have been over roasted - which also worried me (but hey we have to experiment) and it worked fine - at least with the PNG Peaberry.
    Its not that they will be over-roasted, simply that they will be roasted beyond the point at which the heat was removed. This results in a slightly more roasted bean than if they had been cooled instantly when the heat was cut off. How much additional roasting the beans will undergo will be determined by many factors.


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    Gday guys.

    Been off the forum (but lurking) for a while and Ive been reading this thread with great interest after Kong informed me of it.

    Good stuff Corretto. ;) This method allows me to roast and consume a few beers at the same time. Now I dont have to drink it hands free from the redundant dog bowl that I used to roast my beans in. ;D

    Now to steal the wifes breadmaker... He! He! :D

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    will be giving this thing a go in the next couple of days with ozito heat gun and bread machine. Will set bread machine paddle for as much as it can (60min i think) and roast the little green beans that arrived in my starter pack.

    My first post, thanks to the java community for providing me with this information and fantastic opportunity.

    green was never my color

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    Jay,

    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs....

    Im sure you will enjoy the product from the "Corretto"..... IMHO it rivals commercial roasters for quality.

    Just remember to back the heat off (either turn down the HG or move it further away from the beans) after 1st crack as things happen real fast if you leave it at the same setting.

    Enjoy the experience!

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    I second JavaB point... back the heat off after 1st crack... then ramp the heat back up if need be to move into 2nd crack

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    My new popcorn machine does ok, but the Bread Maker idea is a beaut idea, may look on Ebay to see if there are any going at a good price.

    Beans look great too, nice and even, and its not as dear as some of the real machines that probably dont cook the beans any better.

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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    You could also try Op Shops or Cash Coverters etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1154442377/105#114 date=1169637748
    You could also try Op Shops or Cash Coverters etc.
    Yep,

    Our local CC out here in the sticks has about half-a-dozen of the things in all shapes and sizes starting from approx. $20.00, so if youre in a more major centre, you should have no worries getting something for a good price.

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    Hi all! fist timer....what a wilg roasting set up.
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    Hi Jack!

    (Couldnt resist)

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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1154442377/105#115 date=1169652933
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1154442377/105#114 date=1169637748
    You could also try Op Shops or Cash Coverters etc.
    Yep,

    Our local CC out here in the sticks has about half-a-dozen of the things in all shapes and sizes starting from approx. $20.00, so if youre in a more major centre, you should have no worries getting something for a good price.

    Mal.
    Thats a worrying sign, Mal. We use ours constantly now, no more store-bought bread. But there is always the worrysome thought that statistically, the Breville is destined to join fairyfloss makers, pasta makers, vegetable juicers and a host of other "it was a good idea at the time" gadgets which take longer to get out and clean than actually use.

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    The nearest CC here doesnt sell them below $60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1154442377/105#119 date=1172026615
    The nearest CC here doesnt sell them below $60.
    Must be a demand for em ;)

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    Actually Ive been thinking of buying a second BM.


    To roast bread in [smiley=evil.gif]


    True


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    Quote Originally Posted by robusto link=1154442377/105#118 date=1172021995
    Thats a worrying sign, Mal. We use ours constantly now, no more store-bought bread. But there is always the worrysome thought that statistically, the Breville is destined to join fairyfloss makers, pasta makers, vegetable juicers and a host of other "it was a good idea at the time" gadgets which take longer to get out and clean than actually use.
    Yes, youre right there Robusto,

    I think its also a symptom of the way peoples lives are changing, even out here in rural Qld and other rural areas no doubt. There seems to be an ever increasing premium on the time available to us and if something takes more time than we want to spend using it, cleaning it, etc then I guess its a normal progression of human nature in these crazy times to just lose interest in such things. After all, only takes 5 minutes to shoot down to the local bakers just after the sun rises and grab some very acceptable bread straight off the cooling racks.

    We still use ours for making bread too but probably I use it more often for coffee roasting than bread-making these days. Even then, I only use it to knead the dough and prove it, etc and after that transfer the dough to separate pans and use the gas oven..... seems to work better and we get a better loaf.

    Getting back to coffee, have just completed a 900 gram roasting session.... 3 x 300 gram batches in the Corretto and now just waiting for it to degas. Should be interesting as a blend being equal parts PNG Sihereni, Yemen Mocha Matari Bam and East Timor Organic. Ill be an impatient bugger as usual and really pushing it to wait out the bare minimum 48 Hrs ;)....

    Cheers,
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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    Hey! Check out my youtube videos of my special high tech roaster!
    Ive included a swingarm connected to the corretto which is useful in the final pourout of beans into the cooler.
    What do you reckon!
    RH
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XVq2zujMDE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tycka09F1GE

    ::)

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    Haha, That is so cool! love the wind up of the heat guns and especially the tipping of the BM. Its like those robotic arms. Now you just need to make everything remote controled:P

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    Great work on the swingarm rayzurhed, and thank goodness you labelled your coffee roaster...otherwise who knows what the neighbours might think youre up to! :)

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    wow, what a set-up, RH... well done!
    it makes the average Corretto set-up look really minimalistic... or should i say: under-developed!! ;D ;D ;D

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    Brilliant work RH ;D

    Looks likes a great setup indeed.

    All you need now is to PID it Java B style and automate the bean dumping 8-)


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    ***Bump****

    Been a while since this thread has been at the top of the pile......

    For all the newbie roasters.... this is a fantastic way to roast your beans!!!

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    hmmm... Bunnings dont seem to sell the drill stand anymore. Ive been to 2 locals and both have said that they were cleared out a few months ago, as they couldnt move them - no demand!!
    Theyre not getting more either so its off to try a few others such as Gasweld and Mitre 10

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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    Hey Dover

    Ive been tring to find a drill stand as well...without any luck! :(*Let me know if you have any success! They seem as rare as hens teeth at the moment!

    Regards
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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    Or,

    You could try one or two of your local Brew Shops and check out some Bottle Capping Presses. Im pretty sure a few members have found these to work quite well,

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    Cleared out to where?

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    Good idea Mal!

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    If you look at the very first photo in this thread youll see the HG is attached to a bottle capper which worked extremely well. Ex homebrewers sell them all the time .......

    Other BM users have used other contraptions to balance their HGs. But you really need something you can move about - in and out and up and down.

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    Another option would be lab stands for holding test tubes, beakers and such like. Stable, with all the adjustments, and usually pretty cheap 2nd hand. :)


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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    And yet another option is a movie projector tripod stand - the head tilts (unsure whether it rotates though), & height is adjustable. Theyre solid & sturdy little numbers as well.

    Ive seen them on sneeze-bay ranging from $15 to $45.

    Theres also ceiling mounted adjustable projector stands - say if youve got your set-up in a garage/shed or similar.

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    shultzy uses a kick stand from a bicycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1154442377/135#137 date=1192948502
    shultzy uses a kick stand from a bicycle.
    I like that idea TG.... Must be a bugger parking the bike though ;),

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1154442377/135#135 date=1192945254
    Another option would be lab stands for holding test tubes, beakers and such like. Stable, with all the adjustments, and usually pretty cheap 2nd hand. :)
    Retort Stand :)

    Actually, being a teacher i figured this was an option and had thought of buying one through work a few weeks ago. Anyway, I discovered that there was an unused one in an Art room (Was being used as a paint dispenser, but not doing the job well enough).

    So they were happy for me to have a lend of the retort stand, Bosshead and clamp. It fits the bill very nicely!!!

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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    With a little bit of woodwork knowledge and a few basic tools its not difficult to male an easel stand for your HG.

    Mine is 42x19 pine, a few nails and glue, the gun slides up and down easily and the whole thing can be moved into any position.

    Gun has since been replaced with a Makita TC control unit as the Ryobi died will post photo of the new set up shortly.

    Cheers Gazz


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    Corretto Tepee

    Given this discussion about supporting the HG, I thought Id post about our
    tripod adaptation.

    After a few experiments just holding the HG and moving it by hand, I concluded
    (as others have also) that a stand should allow the HG to easily moved at least
    up and down in *reasonably small increments.

    Sitting in a corner I spied a $5 junk shop tripod that we picked up recently. This
    one has the advantage of a handle for small adjustments of column height. Ideal!

    So I spent a few hours of a flu-fuddled day trying to figure out to attach the HG to
    the top of the tripod mount. Then my wife came home from work, took one look,
    said "you idiot you can just attach something at the bottom of the column much
    more easily". So she the bush engineer par excellence whipped up a HG cradle
    out of some copper wire, and a with a couple of holes drilled in the bottom of the
    tripod column it was done in ten minutes.

    It works very well. Here is a picture showing a) the "cradle" and b) the setup
    as used. Note: the tripod column is raised up inside its surround in the pic,
    so where the wire is actually attached is not visible.






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    I love the ingenuity of CSers......................

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    Here is my improved Corretto.

    Have changed the HG to a Makita TC control unit, held in the easel with a more secure clamping arrangement that allows up/down/twist movement.

    Notice the aluminium flange /shroud positioned just below the HG air intake, stops the chaff and hot air being drawn in.

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    Here is a closer shot of the shroud.

    Also there is a second TC positioned just below the HG nozzle, allows me to see the air discharge temp going into the pan and lets me fine tune the HG temp.

    Did two roasts this morning, Grace Villa and Dom Barahona AAA with ease, this new set up allows me to have more heat/time control that shouldl enhance the roast and hopefully this will flow through into the cup.

    Cheers Gazz


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    Gday Gazz,

    Looks like a very easily managed setup you have there mate, the easier the process is to manage, the more time you can spend tailoring the roast itself. Great stuff mate [smiley=thumbsup.gif],

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    Yeah, nice set up gazz, Im sure you could whip up some fine paintings at the same time.


    BTW Im using a small mic boom stand with a heavy duty spring mic-clip to hold the heatgun [it works great, just dont tell the drummer his Kick isnt micd up!]

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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    Heres my simple yet compact method (as posted in the "corretto construction" thread).
    Ive drilled a hole in the top of the BM & inserted an aluminium tube which is riveted to the bottom of the inner wall. I bent up some 6mm steel rod to act as a telescopic holder for the HG. The bulldog clip acts as a locking mechanism when adjusting the height. Total cost around $5 from Bunnings.

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    Re: Easy Hands Free Heat Gun Setup

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan link=1154442377/135#147 date=1197627055
    Heres my simple yet compact method (as posted in the "corretto construction" thread).
    Any tips on where I may find this corretto construction thread.?

    I have had a look but cant seem to find it.

    I would really like the corretto construction for dummies version if this is available! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by craig link=1154442377/135#148 date=1201005208
    Quote Originally Posted by Evan link=1154442377/135#147 date=1197627055
    Heres my simple yet compact method (as posted in the "corretto construction" thread).
    Any tips on where I may find this corretto construction thread.?

    I have had a look but cant seem to find it.

    I would really like the corretto construction for dummies version if this is available! ;D
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1154442377


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