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    Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Further to the post in our sponsor area http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1163933911/0#3, we now have a Garanti roaster discussion thread ;)

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    Hi all

    Intro: Great. Ill be lurking in here. I have been in contact with a few roaster supply companies as Im on the lookout for a 2nd hand 1kg roaster for home use. I have really been looking at reviews of the Toper Cafemino electric and a potential 2nd hand one that was up for sales seems to have fallen though.

    I really should look at this table top Garanti HGS 1. Anyone have one of these and using it?

    Mike

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    Im curious too. I imagine these arent really intended for the domestic market and the 1kg table top would more qualify as a shop roaster. Given it has more than 3 x the capacity of the GeneCafe or HotTop, would it be 3x the price?
    Heres the guff on the HG site

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    Quote Originally Posted by 79736671717E6A6C1F0 link=1245553677/2#2 date=1245558702
    Im curious too. I imagine these arent really intended for the domestic market and the 1kg table top would more qualify as a shop roaster. Given it has more than 3 x the capacity of the GeneCafe or HotTop, would it be 3x the price?
    If only Flynn,

    Sadly, it doesnt work that way as most of the components required to manufacture a coffee roaster are required in any roaster...therefore, a 5kg roaster will never be anywhere near 1/6 of the price of a 30kg model....

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    Hi Flynn

    Dealers and site sponsors here will give you an exact price but for a machine of 1-2kg your looking at a ball park of $10,00 new and $5000 or so 2nd hand. This all depends on exchange rate and things of course.

    Hence why Im looking at 2nd hand. The bugger is that these things hold their value quite well. But they are real roasters and should, in the right hand and with some practice, be better than a Gene if your trying to make a few kgs a week of coffee. Im sick of doing 4 runs on a Sunday in my Gene but I dont want to go the corretto route for larger batch size. I just dont really think they are very reproducible.

    So yeah they are expensive. Full stop.

    Mike

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    A bit of a rhetorical question I confess. You just have to look at it to see that it would be much more than $3K.

    I imagine 2nd hand ones would be hard to find. A GC or HT would suit my modest needs but Im looking to get a corretto going. It would have to be the easiest and best value-for-money option for a roaster that can do batches > 300g.

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 67647178717B797D7F71140 link=1245553677/4#4 date=1245567011
    I dont want to go the corretto route for larger batch size. I just dont really think they are very reproducible.
    Depends on how much effort youre prepared to put in Mike... A very generalised statement if ever there was one :-?

    If youre only looking for something that will roast batches of around a Kilo at a time, why not go the route of the style of roaster that KK has documented. These are extremely amenable to proper profile control with a minimum of effort (compared to a Corretto for example) and produce excellent and repeatable results... 8-)

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Ive just seen some discussion about a 300g Garanti on HB. Any in Australia yet? Any comments about them?

    My only problem with Coretto is that Im breathing in 1 hours worth of smoke and particles each week. Im considering purchasing a HT just for the partial smoke filtering, but know nothing really of the 300g Garanti.

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Hi all Garanti owners


    There is a HGS2 2 kg table top model and a smaller1 kg HGS 1. For the 2kg model:

    1. Can anyone tell me from experience what is the lowest load for a Garanti HGS 2 which would still result in a good roast?

    2. At the lower loads at some point the sampler would not pick up the beans. About what load does this occur?

    3. At the lowest load what happens to the beans? Do they get too hot and char/tip or what does one notice?

    Thanks
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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F6C79707973717577791C0 link=1245553677/8#8 date=1250075088
    Hi all Garanti owners


    There is a HGS2 2 kg table top model and a smaller1 kg HGS 1. For the 2kg model:

    1. Can anyone tell me from experience what is the lowest load for a Garanti HGS 2 which would still result in a good roast?

    2. At the lower loads at some point the sampler would not pick up the beans. About what load does this occur?

    3. At the lowest load what happens to the beans? Do they get too hot and char/tip or what does one notice?

    Thanks
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    Hi Mike,

    I know that Andy can and does roast down to 2kg on his 10 kg HG and I frequently do 1.5kg on my 5kg. Id say that you should be able to roast to 500-600g no problem on a 2kg model

    Chris

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    I love the look of that HGS-1--although where Id put it, I dont know. "Tabletop" is a bit misleading, its larger than a 2-drawer filing cabinet!

    Greg

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    Hi all

    Its just a bit wider than a filing cabinet and a bit more again when you add the chaf collector.
    In fact the HGS-1 isnt much smaller than the HGS-2.
    Ive since found by the way that a HGS-2 trier wont pick up beans till one has about a kilo in it. 500 grams wont get sampled.

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 6360757C757F7D797B75100 link=1245553677/11#11 date=1250328477
    Hi all

    Its just a bit wider than a filing cabinet and a bit more again when you add the chaf collector.
    In fact the HGS-1 isnt much smaller than the HGS-2.
    Ive since found by the way that a HGS-2 trier wont pick up beans till one has about a kilo in it. 500 grams wont get sampled.

    Mike
    Hi Mike,
    I have a HGS-2 (shop). I am very certain that 500 grams will get picked up in the trier. I will check tomorrow morning and let you know.
    Cheers
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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Hi aedion

    That would be much appreciated.
    Im looking to buy one and keen to know its lower load limit.

    Mike

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Have just done 300 gram (green) in my HGS-2 and the trier picked up the beans OK. Just need to go easy on the gas

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Mike,
    I put 100g into the roaster and the trier picked it up with no problems.
    From my records the smallest batch size I have roasted was 500grams (a 16 minute profile to the start of 2nd)
    On the smaller loads you have to wind the gas back alot.
    Cheers.

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    Thanks aedion, much appreciated.

    100 gms, Im quite amazed. Maybe the dealers that sell Garanti roasters are used to customers asking how big the load can be not how small. That will be excellent for me, though I wont be going down to 100 grams but its nice to know that I could probably do 300 gms OK.

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Chris - I have looked at all the nice pictures...how is the heat intensity controlled on the 5kg shop roasters? I see for example that the 4 motor one is 14 mins roasting time, but presumably you could for example easily do a 11 mins FC and 17 mins sc....and is it a matter of getting th profile you like then saving it or is it a manual jobbie each time?

    Cheers and thanks.

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    Hi Scott,

    With mine, I can get to 2nd in 5 min if I want to :o..

    I use this "profile" to teach new roasters what not to do...

    These roasters are manual- as are the vast majority of shop roasters. You control the gas and the airflow as well. Its up to you to create profiles which work for what you roast and then document the key points of the profle so that you can replicate it. Andys roast monitor software makes that easy.

    If you want automatic profile control, youll have to open that cheque book and youll spend 5 figures above and beyond the cost of your roaster...

    Hope that clarifies things ;)

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Thanks Chris - I like the sound of them. So you could easily do 10.5-12 mins say for FC and stretch the roast some 4-6 mins to the SC by the sounds of it.

    Cheers mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40555C4C405B5B2F0 link=1245553677/20#20 date=1252661891
    Thanks Chris - I like the sound of them. *So you could easily do 10.5-12 mins say for FC and stretch the roast some 4-6 mins to the SC by the sounds of it.

    Cheers mate
    I can hear the sound of cogs quietly meshing..... ;) ;D

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    You caught me Mal....arrgh...I have been on the blower to Chris today who has kindly given me a portion of his expertise....Thanks again Chris.

    Cheers

    PS. Mal - this wouldnt be for family and friends mate....its going to take some planning and no rushing but I am thinking of a new venture.

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 53464F5F5348483C0 link=1245553677/20#20 date=1252661891
    Thanks Chris - I like the sound of them. *So you could easily do 10.5-12 mins say for FC and stretch the roast some 4-6 mins to the SC by the sounds of it.

    Cheers mate
    Absolutely ozscott....I have some profiles which stretch to 20+ minutes amd some shorter ones as well. You have full control...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 584D4454584343370 link=1245553677/22#22 date=1252666002
    PS. *Mal - this wouldnt be for family and friends mate....its going to take some planning and no rushing but I am thinking of a new venture.
    I had a laugh...

    I realise that mate, just being cheeky.... ;)

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    HaHa...I wasnt sure mate because there are some loonies on here that actually have these massive shop roasters at home for themselves and friends!!! ;D
    Cheers

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    I know a CSer who will have a much loved 2KG Has Garanti (propane) for sale soon in NSW... ;)

    Upgraditis hits roasters too! *8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B4E4344706C4049494A4A2F0 link=1245553677/26#26 date=1253519759
    Upgraditis hits roasters too!
    Hmm. Aint that the truth! ::)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A7B7070776D1E0 link=1245553677/27#27 date=1253605662
    Quote Originally Posted by 7B4E4344706C4049494A4A2F0 link=1245553677/26#26 date=1253519759
    Upgraditis hits roasters too!
    Hmm. *Aint that the truth! *::)
    Is there a brother or sister coming for Dudley Den :-?

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    We are looking to buy a 2nd hand 1-2kg autoroast shop roaster. The Garanti sounds good but happy to consider other brands to. Victoria area preferred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 557E7C6E6A76405B6A7D6C1F0 link=1245553677/29#29 date=1254355099
    We are looking to buy a 2nd hand 1-2kg autoroast shop roaster. The Garanti sounds good but happy to consider other brands to. Victoria area preferred.
    Hi Coffee Company.

    2kg roasters tend to be hard to find. Best bet might be to post a wanted to buy request in: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?board=Sale

    Keep in mind CS site sales and posting policy: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1115338528 which requires that you must add a prepared to pay price...

    Good luck ;)

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread


    With the pending departure of Dudley, Im about to join the ranks of Has Garanti owners.

    Already christened "Osman", our 10kg roaster will be arriving at cuppacoffee early in December.

    The fun continues!!! :)


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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Looks like I had better book some flights Den 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3C2A2F2F3E3C3039393A3A5F0 link=1245553677/31#31 date=1257207138
    Already christened "Osman", our 10kg roaster will be arriving at cuppacoffee early in December
    Is that Donny or Marie? :D ::)

    Congrats Den. Looking forward to sampling some of Osmans product. Is he going to fit into the shop or will he be provided with separate accommodation?

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    Haha - quite funny Steve though Im sure you know who Osman was. ;)

    Hell certainly be here at the shop and should fit nicely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2036333322202C25252626430 link=1245553677/34#34 date=1257211043
    Im sure you know who Osman was
    Yes, he was the man who kicked off the Ottoman Empire. I did note the Has Garanti - Turk link.

    .. should fit nicely
    I see - I just checked out a pic and it isnt as big as I thought a 10kg roaster might be. Quite compact really.


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    Hi all

    This morning I received my 2kg Has Garanti. I have been looking for a year for the right 2nd hand machine. Its an ex-demo machine from a roaster importer in Sydney, its in excellent condition and has seen about 300 kg through it. Thats pretty low milage. Im sure many of the CS people in roasting will know Will Notaras. He helped me this morning with the operation of the machine and a few roasts. *

    Some pics below. The coffee that came out well is the Nicaragua High Grown Bold. Im looking forward to trying it in 5 days time. *I look forward to learning lots from the other Has Garanti owners here and to contributing as well.

    Best wishes
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    Congratulation Mike,

    I think is time for me to go and visit you.... ;) see if I can learn a trick or two.

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    Hey, congratulations Mike!

    I know youve been contemplating such a move for a while now, and its good to see this roaster now has a good home.

    I guess your BeanBay purchases will be on the increase now! ;D

    Cheers
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    Congratulations Mike! Wish you many a happy roast on these beautiful machines.

    As a heads up for anyone else looking for a new second hand Has Garanti Roaster we will be putting our 5 Kilo (8 months young) on the market for sale/delivery in Febuary.

    Upgraditis in a big way has hit us here at Supreme Roasters and we will be getting in a 15 Kilo in the new year. Alas I dont think we will see our babies 1st year birthday and would be ideal for someone looking at upgrading or entering the industry.

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    Mike Im very jealous.


    Quote Originally Posted by 04342F212E322334152F2223460 link=1245553677/39#39 date=1257836851
    As a heads up for anyone else looking for a new second hand Has Garanti Roaster we will be putting our 5 Kilo (8 months young) on the market for sale/delivery in Febuary.
    My birthdays in Feb but Ill have to win Lotto first.

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Congratulations. Glad it fell into place for you, and what TG said. Actually I cant really afford to be jealous as I wouldnt have room for a roaster of this size anyway

    Great looking roast too.

    (BTW hope your neighbours know of your Coffeesnobdom and dont think its some kind of crystal meth lab:

    Abner! Hes in the garage again with that crazy looking machine!)

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    Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E34213636392D2B580 link=1245553677/41#41 date=1257849409
    (BTW hope your neighbours know of your Coffeesnobdom and dont think its some kind of crystal meth lab:
    Abner! Hes in the garage again with that crazy looking machine!)
    Drugs eh ... When I first got my green beans from bean bay delivered to my parents-in-laws place they were surprised to see bags of stuff being delivered from Columbia and Nicaragua. "All you need to know is that the bags contain coffee. Just take delivery and Ill supply you with the roasted hush coffee" :-)

    Mike *
    PS. They are now coffee snobs and my mother-in-law is a coffee snob lurking member :-)

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    Hi all

    I tried another roast later this arvo in the Garanti. Really stuffed up 1 kg of Ethiopian Guji :-)
    The temp of the drum was too high after FC and they went to full city and oily just a few minutes after FC. Ditched them. For 1kg in this machine for the beans tried so far I need to turn off the gas after FC as the temp just coasts along. So far I have done:

    Aust MTE Bin 35: Under tuition. 750 grams, profile a bit askew, just getting a feel for the machine.
    Nicarg. Bold: Under tuition. 1kg. Drop temp 115C. Back at 115C at 5mins. FC at 122C, 7mins,
    turned off gas, coasted. Turn on gas low. SC at 16 mins, ended at 17mins. Nice run.
    Ethio. Guji: 1st run by myself. 1kg Drop temp 115. Dropped to 99C. Back up at 115 at 5 mins.
    FC at 6.5 mins. Turned down gas but didnt turn off. Far too dark/oily by 9 mins.
    FC sounded like hail on the roof! Ditched load. Wife will use on garden as an
    expensive moluscicide :-)

    One thing that I expected and is great is that FC and SC are loud. No need to risk a burnt ear or chaff and smoke smelling hair trying to hear the Gene cracks. :-)

    The other thing I have learnt is that the lower limit on the load size isnt just set by whether the trier can pick up some beans from the drum but by how hot a small load gets when it enters the drum and whether tipping will occur from the drum being too hot for the load size.
    Much to learn and enjoy :-)

    Mike

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Mike congrats on the new family member
    Any names for the new baby

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    Hi KK and all

    Ummm ... a name. I hadnt thought of that. Well if Dens one is going to be named Osman of Ottoman fame perhaps something to balance that ... Sir Galahad ? :-)

    (Sir Galahad was the hero of the Grail quest, a knight of the Crusades, who were always waging war on the Turks)

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    Re: Has Garanti roaster discussion thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 7073666F666C6E6A6866030 link=1245553677/45#45 date=1257858731
    perhaps something to balance that ... Sir Galahad ?

    ...or Lawrence (of Arabia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2B213423232C383E4D0 link=1245553677/46#46 date=1257887760
    speleomike wrote on Today at 12:12am:
    perhaps something to balance that ... Sir Galahad ? *
    Hows about Sir GalaHAS... sorry... couldnt resist. Wanted to call first cat Claude DePussy after famous french composer (Debussy) but was over-ruled on that one also... thankfully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5B4B5C4D4D0B0A09010E0A390 link=1245553677/47#47 date=1257896454
    *Wanted to call first cat Claude DePussy after famous french composer
    Haha. Classic.

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    Massive congratulations Mike. I will be very interested to hear the improvements in flavour profiles once you think you are nailing your roasts

    All the best with the journey!

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    Last Post: 17th August 2009, 12:53 PM

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