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    NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Seeing as the original poll has become skewed and inaccurate due to modifications over the 4+ years it was running weve decided to start a brand new one. The previous polls will be locked and no longer sticky but will remain in this forum for reference/archival purposes.


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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Hooray - well done.

    Love the single bean precision of the commercial roaster categories (1.001-2kg Commercial) :)

    As multiple selections are possiible note that the Total votes show how many selections have been made, not how many have voted

    Should we vote for only what we actively USE or what we have? I have a popper but only likely to use in an emergency so I didnt select it.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 242E3B2C2C233731420 link=1264763363/1#1 date=1264793634
    Love the single bean precision of the commercial roaster categories (1.001-2kg Commercial)
    I thought it would be less confusing to list it that way rather than: >1-2kg

    Quote Originally Posted by 242E3B2C2C233731420 link=1264763363/1#1 date=1264793634
    Should we vote for only what we actively USE or what we have?
    Vote for what you actually use, as opposed to what you have sitting around out in the shed gathering dust. :)


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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 48637463726A6B6E67020 link=1264763363/2#2 date=1264798827
    I thought it would be less confusing to list it that way rather than: >1-2kg
    No, I knew what was intended and I agree with it, but I had visions of someone adding a bean or two to their 1kg roaster batches so they could boast they had a higher capacity roaster *:D

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Corretto and Behmor.

    Like Flynn Aus I have a popper there in case of emergency but generally dont use it.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Hottop for me. Gene Cafe gathering dust along with my corretto which has been dissolved - the BM is back on BM duties and the HG I use for getting wet paint to dry faster - at least I have fine temperature control at the same time!

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Behmor uptake has been fast. Almost as many as Gene. hmmm 400-500gm batches in the footprint of a gene for $400 is tempting. Good luck trying to sell a second hand gene now. ;)

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F67626277664D7F737C2425120 link=1264763363/6#6 date=1268136059
    Behmor uptake has been fast. Almost as many as Gene. hmmm 400-500gm batches in the footprint of a gene for $400 is tempting. Good luck trying to sell a second hand gene now. *;)
    I dont think it is just about the money mm67.... ::)

    Coffee roasting can be, and is a very personal and passionate matter for many of we CSers. A roaster that will suit someone right down to the ground may not suit someone else at all.

    The Gene and HotTop will still have a very strong following I believe, because for many CSers they do exactly what they want. Both roasters are very nicely manufactured and are well supported here in Oz. We all have a range of differing requirements and expectations for the roast outcomes and as with other aspects of this great pastime, some compromises need to be made.... Its no different where roasting the bean is concerned.

    I imagine that I wont be totally satisfied until the day arrives when I can afford to purchase my very own 2Kg Shop Roaster, along the lines of a HGS-2 perhaps. Roasting the bean properly is really that important to me and the lengths I go to with my Corretto setup wouldnt be tolerated by the average home-roaster, Im sure. Its not unknown for me to toss out roast batches that just havent come up to the mark, or missed the profile I was aiming for.

    Yes, I love my coffee and it has to be exactly the way I want to drink it. Id love to be able to produce outcomes that are as consistently excellent as Andy, Den from CuppaCoffee, Veneziano and several others can manage but I dont think that I can realistically expect to be able to do that with a simple Corretto. I get there about 75% of the time and for now, I can live with that.

    Next stop - a HGS-2.... ;)

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 103D393538540 link=1264763363/7#7 date=1268145584
    Next stop - a HGS-2....
    Should i make this a favorite so i can quote it in your "Something to cure my longing for the perfect Roaster" in a few years mal ;D

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    I have a Gene already Mal and it has served me well for 3 years. Im very happy with it my biggest bugbear being capacity, I played with a TO a little while back but outside roasting was too much hard work for me. :P

    If Behmor was the price of another Gene then getting one would be out of the question, but its almost cheap enough to get one recklessly.

    Whith that said there are things I like about the Gene that the Behmor does not really fulfill. In the cooling stakes its very simple to dump the beans into an external cooler with the gene, this seems more difficult with behmor, people playing around fans to blow into an open door. I also love the genes simple controls. Time and temp, adjustable on the fly, very simple but give you lots of control.

    If someone asked me which home roaster to buy, I would be recommending they have a good look on Behmor based on its value for money and capacity.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    The Behmor is certainly priced very sharply and its definitely worth consideration. But its important to realise theres more to a roaster than price and batch size.

    One area the Gene and Hottop score over the Behmor (to one degree or another) is in the program adjustability. Commercial roasters are made to be adjustable so the operator can get out of the bean what theyre wanting. If all you needed was five preset profiles dictated by the factory then everyone would be doing it.

    Its important to realise you dont get something for nothing and there are good reasons for choosing each roaster - you just have to know the pros and cons of each roaster and whats on your priority list.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    If only the HotTop came in a 1.0Kg batch size model.... ::)

    Id buy one in a flash 8-)

    Mal.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F22262A274B0 link=1264763363/11#11 date=1268200315
    If only the HotTop came in a 1.0Kg batch size model.... ::)

    Id buy one in a flash 8-)

    Mal.
    Yea... A few systems such as the smaller Toper and Probat would be great.. But at teh $$$ etc I can build 10plus KKTO and have $$$ left over..

    Now if Mr and Ms Lotto were to drop over ;D

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1D323B392E113D323D3B39313932285C0 link=1264763363/12#12 date=1268201518
    Quote Originally Posted by 0F22262A274B0 link=1264763363/11#11 date=1268200315
    If only the HotTop came in a 1.0Kg batch size model.... ::)

    Id buy one in a flash 8-)

    Mal.
    Yea... A few systems such as the smaller Toper and Probat would be great.. But at the $$$ etc I can build 10plus KKTO and have $$$ left over..

    Now if Mr and Ms Lotto were to drop over *;D
    You may be thinking (photo 1)
    A twin turbo drum roaster like this
    (another one of my designs on the back-burner)

    Or an element design with fan forced feature (photo 2)

    Yes I know
    I eat, drink & sleep coffee roasters ::)
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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Good grief KK.... :D

    With all of this going on in your head, its a wonder your lovely wife is able to sleep at night.... Must be very noisy (on an ethereal energy level ;))

    Mal.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    wow! coretto ahead of popper by some margin. Quality wise, results from a coretto superior to popper due to popper,s too fast roasting times?

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Row of poppers & Gene Cafe gathering dust.

    Usually roast with the Behmor - but when we run low we do a quick half kg on hubbys home made air roaster so we only have a wait a couple of days till we can drink it - rather than a week.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Currently, I roast with the Gene CBR-101. The next bigger Model would be nice, but without temperature probe in the bean mass, the genes 1200 is not really interesting for me. Too expensive, to heavy weight, too big.

    Maybe i will upgrade to the "Röstbiene", this is a small sample Roaster (up to 300g) with full temperatur control of the Roast Process.

    But there are two small Problems, no Chaff Collector and no simple Smoke deduction. :-/



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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Corretto at the moment, just logged up roast No. 450.
    Torrefatore 2kg arrives tomorrow :D :D :D :D :D :D

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    I just cant seem to go past the Corretto...I love it. So simple, reliable, and controllable. I have finally made my bean cooler and it is just so easy with the CS software to just keep putting out very nice 800gram roasts. I can do up to 1kg, but 800grams is very easy to control. It will do half that happily if you want smaller.

    Cheers

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    This poll is very interesting for me because I am wanting to get into home roasting and it is interesting to see how others are going about it.



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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Corretto is just easy to do 600g every week.

    A shame there isnt much around to do up to 1 kilo and collect chaff.

    Not that the budget nazi will approve anyway. ::)

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6D6A617D667C0F0 link=1264763363/21#21 date=1297640115
    Corretto is just easy to do 600g every week.

    A shame there isnt much around to do up to 1 kilo and collect chaff.

    Not that the budget nazi will approve anyway. ::)
    KKTO unmodified will collect the chaff and will go close to a 1kg load

    KK

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    I just bought myself the "Baby Roaster" (gee that sounds grim!!) but Im not sure which category I should put it in! I have not roasted at home before. Just waiting for beans to arrive - they are on their way. :)

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    Ive just done roast # 4 in my homebuilt 1kg electric air roaster. :D

    Also have an automated corretto and an automated popper as backups.

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Hi GC,

    I would love to hear about your
    Quote Originally Posted by 7C697E7E75787A697F727C7A751B0 link=1264763363/24#24 date=1304318178
    homebuilt 1kg electric air roaster
    and understand what you mean by
    Quote Originally Posted by 7C697E7E75787A697F727C7A751B0 link=1264763363/24#24 date=1304318178
    automated corretto and automated popper
    Myself I do a 1kg roast each fortnight in my closed Corretto with energy courtesy of an old 2 heat 1600 Watt heat gun and the bread makers heating element.

    Lindsay

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    Re: NEW - What do you use to home roast?

    Quote Originally Posted by 494C4B4156445C5744250 link=1264763363/25#25 date=1304335157
    Hi GC,

    I would love to hear about your
    Quote Originally Posted by 7C697E7E75787A697F727C7A751B0 link=1264763363/24#24 date=1304318178
    homebuilt 1kg electric air roaster
    and understand what you mean by
    Quote Originally Posted by 7C697E7E75787A697F727C7A751B0 link=1264763363/24#24 date=1304318178
    automated corretto and automated popper
    Heres a link to my build thread at Homeroasters if you can be bothered reading it. Its roasting, but still needs a bit of tweaking with the airflow.
    http://www.homeroasters.org/php/foru...thread_id=2040

    Or a short YouTube video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQ1JGDVa5I

    My corretto and popper both use a home built PID roast controller based on a PICAXE microcontroller. I think I had a thread here about it but cant seem to find it.



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    as 4 me, I roast coffee in a pan

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    have a look,how do it in a proper way, if someone need

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    I guess if all you've got is a hot-plate and a frying pan, then it's all good...

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    I ve been roasting on the Huky for a few months now. Its a lot of fun ! Works great with Artisan and the fact that it is gas powered makes it easier to affect changes (compared to electric). It has a lot of parts though

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    Just bought a behmor and before that .....................POPPERS ! and loved 'em but this Behmor just takes the roasting process to another level. :-)
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    I am on my second corretto and 4th heat gun. I have dome conservatively 500 roasts could be closer to 600. I don't see me changing unless I win lotto the I might get a 1kg shop roaster. I have been roasting with the corretto for about 8 years. I started with a popper but it only lasted until I put a corretto together
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    Ditto Stan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    I am on my second corretto and 4th heat gun. I have dome conservatively 500 roasts could be closer to 600. I don't see me changing unless I win lotto the I might get a 1kg shop roaster. I have been roasting with the corretto for about 8 years. I started with a popper but it only lasted until I put a corretto together
    Similar Stan, though not even close to your 500 roasts, reckon I've done a little over 400 x 725 gram roasts.

    Still on the original bread maker and Bosch heat gun, the only failure I've had so far was the digital multi meter, replaced that a couple of years back.
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    Started out with my daughter's popcorn machine and killed it trying to do six roasts on the hop!!
    Next stage was Corretto MK I which opened up a new level of roast quality and control.
    I then scored a twin paddle breadmaker and purchased a Makita variable fan speed and temp control. Closed it in with a baking tray with an opening for heat gun nozzle and a vent at end to expel chaff and sample roast levels with a bent spoon. Coffeesnobs thermocouple and roast monitor, did around 400 roasts on this setup.
    Discussion on the forum about a new 2kg manual roaster from Coffeetech captured my attention and after much deliberation I took the plunge and pre-ordered one of the first to hit Oz from Mark Beattie at Coffeeroasters Australia. Still going gangbusters on this great little unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koffee_Kosmo View Post
    KKTO unmodified will collect the chaff and will go close to a 1kg load

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    Ive started doing 800gram roasts in mine. Roast times were stretching out so i bought a new turbo oven and my roast times dropped dramatically

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    Ive started doing 800gram roasts in mine. Roast times were stretching out so i bought a new turbo oven and my roast times dropped dramatically
    How long does it take you to roast 800 grams of green in the turbo oven Trentski? looking at approx 19 minutes for 725 grams in the Coretto.

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    I can only manage 600g with my TO in under 20 mins. If I want to keep to 15 mins (or keep to reasonable environment temps), I'm down to 485g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    How long does it take you to roast 800 grams of green in the turbo oven Trentski? looking at approx 19 minutes for 725 grams in the Coretto.
    About the same depending on the ambient team and beans. I was getting to about 22 minutes with the old one.

    First roast with the new one went to rolling 2nd crack and i had to bin it

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    I can only manage 600g with my TO in under 20 mins. If I want to keep to 15 mins (or keep to reasonable environment temps), I'm down to 485g.
    600 grams still a fair size batch, for me about a weeks supply.

    While we're talking temp, I take my roasts from cold to first crack at 500° to 550°C depending on ambient temp, usually approx 14 mins, then, drop the heat gun temp by 30° to 50°C, takes approx 5 mins to first snaps of second crack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    600 grams still a fair size batch, for me about a weeks supply.

    While we're talking temp, I take my roasts from cold to first crack at 500° to 550°C depending on ambient temp, usually approx 14 mins, then, drop the heat gun temp by 30° to 50°C, takes approx 5 mins to first snaps of second crack.
    500g is my weekly supply, so 485 (~400g once it's roasted) is a bit of a PITA.

    My highest ET is 270 degrees, 'cause parts of the KKTO (silicone hose) are only rated to 250 degrees. Plus the motor probably isn't rated all that highly either.. but I always wonder what the impact on my beans would be if I pushed higher. I also wonder what your "ambient" temp would be for your beans in that air stream? and how quickly that 500 degs dissipates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    500g is my weekly supply, so 485 (~400g once it's roasted) is a bit of a PITA.

    My highest ET is 270 degrees, 'cause parts of the KKTO (silicone hose) are only rated to 250 degrees. Plus the motor probably isn't rated all that highly either.. but I always wonder what the impact on my beans would be if I pushed higher. I also wonder what your "ambient" temp would be for your beans in that air stream? and how quickly that 500 degs dissipates.
    I may be wrong, however the impression I get is compared to the Coretto the KKTO is a closed system, heat loss would be a lot greater in the bread maker, having said that, I have my roaster tuned to the way I like it, so won't be making any major changes to the system any time soon.

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