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    Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

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    As some may know I got myself a woodfired oven for Chrissy. Cooking in it is magic and the pizzas are amazing.

    Ive been thinking to myself, its a great heat source. Could you roast coffee in it? Might have some unique woodfired flavourings? Temps are variable, so I can try different heats.

    I was considering having a pot with some sort of paddle to stir the beans from near the enterance. I did see a popcorn device today while our shopping that would have worked, but 60bucks and it wasnt built very well. I doubt it could even stir popcorn!!!

    Anyone have an ground breaking ideas they would like to share???

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    A ball on the end of a handle that has a door for loading and dumping beans

    You only need to roll it gently from side to side inside the heated oven

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Check this out could be the go.... http://lechateausoleil.blogspot.com/2010/06/whats-cooking-today-at-le-chateau_23.html

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Thanks Gents,

    I had a bit of thought about it and decided to blow the budget.* So I bought 2 metal sieves from the dollar tree.* Total cost $6.

    I pulled off the plastic handles.* They had little wire hooks to rest of a pot, so I wired them together, and bent the handles a bit and shoved them down a metal pipe from an old wardrobe.* Then I insulated the handle with insulbrite and tape.* Project completed.




    I roasted some Brazilian Pulped Naturals, 250gm.* I have to admit that a few got over cooked early on, but I soon figured out that they have to be moved more vigoursly from side to side to stir them more.



    F/C about 12-13mins, then the first snaps of 2nd around the end of 15mins.* A bit too quick into second crack, but I would slow it down a bit more in the future by pulling it further out from the heat source.* I had the ball sitting on the floor right in front of the fire, rocking it from side to side.* Here is the results.



    So now I want to build a rotisarie style tumbler, that sits off the floor a bit, and I can have the fire on either side of the tumler.* I did see one of these somewhere but for the life of me I cant remember where.* Anyone else seen one?



    The Pros for me about this method is that I fire my oven up at least once a week to cook pizza, so why not use the heat source for a weekly batch of coffee?* Cons, well I wasnt sure if the burning wood was snapping or the coffee at first. But then a few more snaps, so I figured it out.

    Now, for the taste test.* :) ;) ;D

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Nice job mate [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Bugger... Thought it was a Super Sized lung lolly ;D


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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A5755535E5F5B360 link=1299902364/3#3 date=1300001017
    Now, for the taste test.* :) ;) ;D
    Wow! That looks terrific "Lacehim".... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Cant wait for the results of your taste test.... 8-)

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Well I couldnt wait so I pulled a shot last night. I havent tasted that bean before but it was nice. My shot wasnt fantastic because it was freshly roasted so more testin to be done. I was a bit worried that there would be an overwhelming smokiness about them, but I couldnt taste it. Going to put 250in my KKTO to compare today.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Ive seen wood roasted coffee or sale on the bay of e.
    I also heard a rumour that a Cafe somewhere in south canberra is selling it too, but not sure if thats by the cup or the bag.
    Anybody tried it?

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 123F3D3B3637335E0 link=1299902364/7#7 date=1300050101
    My shot wasnt fantastic because it was freshly roasted so more testin to be done
    I wonder how close it is to the roasting process in a baby roaster. You dont need to wait after roasting with them.

    Maybe add something to agitate the beans slightly, a strip of metal of couple of pieces of wire maybe.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 5955545B5414555848535F543A0 link=1299902364/8#8 date=1300102287
    Anybody tried it?
    Yep. It tasted just like any of my other roasts really, but as I said, new bean. Ive decided to do a KKTO / Woodfired Oven (WFO) faceoff. :) Ill roast a bean I know on the KKTO and on the WFO. Im not exactly refined in picking out differences so.....

    If there is anyone that knows that they have a refined palate and would like to have a taste test Im willing to roast a bag of each and post them to you, if you report your findings here. :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E485F544E4951533A0 link=1299902364/9#9 date=1300103063
    I wonder how close it is to the roasting process in a baby roaster. You dont need to wait after roasting with them.
    I was thinking the same thing to be honest. I used my WFO roast in my Syphon yesterday morning and it tasted lovely. I dont really understand the reason the baby roaster doesnt need a degas period, so Im not sure my process would be the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E485F544E4951533A0 link=1299902364/9#9 date=1300103063
    Maybe add something to agitate the beans slightly, a strip of metal of couple of pieces of wire maybe.
    I was thinking of this too. I did keep them moving and kept flipping the ball now and again. Im also going to make a little stand to rest the pole on to keep the beans off the floor to see what difference this makes.

    Next test will be Wednesday. Pizza Night :)

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    I know in Italy wood fired roasting has been popular method for many centuries. Interested to hear how it comes out Lace.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 5157404B51564E4C250 link=1299902364/9#9 date=1300103063
    I wonder how close it is to the roasting process in a baby roaster. You dont need to wait after roasting with them.
    please xcuse my ignorance (im new here and interested in BR) but why dont you need to wait after roasting with the baby (BR)

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    Woodfired Oven Vs KKTO taste test

    So anyone stepping forward to test these beans and willing to post up your taste test results up here? PM me asap with your real name and address.

    The beans will be roasted today to just into 2nd crack, and Ill be posting a sample of each. The beans will be Mexico Yeni Navan Typica.

    For a laugh lets make it a blind test, Ill mark the bags A & B and see what the results are. :) :D ;D

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Hi guys,

    Im new to CS this site has been very helpful with my coffee obsession! Just want to know what temp in your WFO did you roast the beans or can anyone recommend the best temp to roast?

    Joe

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 595F5249490501330 link=1299902364/14#14 date=1300248790
    can anyone recommend the best temp to roast?
    Welcome to the site, to answer your questions there are a couple of threads that would be wroth looking at
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1228795908
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1280212804

    Quote Originally Posted by 20394C0 link=1299902364/12#12 date=1300160751
    why dont you need to wait after roasting with the baby (BR)
    its not an easy question to answer, but you can look for an answer here
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1277375158

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    The WFO temps are totally different.* The last time I roasted when the wood has burned down red with a little flame.* Going to try a bit higher temp this time with the ball off the floor.

    Quote Originally Posted by 795456505D5C58350 link=1299902364/13#13 date=1300246090
    So anyone stepping forward to test these beans and willing to post up your taste test results up here?* PM me asap with your real name and address.
    If no one is interested Ill just consume them myself :)

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Observations today.* Very hard to slow it down between 1st an 2nd crack.* Uneven.* Oven temp was a bit higher today I think.* Might try it lower next time.

    Roasted 600gms Mexico Yeni Navan Typica beans and then followed by 300gm of Laos Dong Hua Sao which arrived on my door step this afternoon :) Thanks Andy.

    Definately want to progress with a motor driven cage rather than by hand. This will also get the beans off the floor and the heat from the fire will be the source of roasting and therefore slow it down a tad I think.

    The KKTO is safe. The roast off that was very nice, even and looks nice. Still the WFO is an interesting thing. It is very versatile, and pleasure to use and maintain.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    The only advice I can give you at this early stage of the wood oven coffee roasting journey is get a few roasts under your belt, because with practice comes understanding
    However this method will have its limitations and you have to work within them

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    I totally agree KK. My first roast was a fluke I think. ;)
    I actually had a look at the photo I took that day, and the fire is much cooler. I think this was my problem today, but its a lesson learnt isnt it.

    Im actually enjoying the whole "roasting my own more", both on the WFO and the KKTO these days. I think my understanding of the roasting process is a lot better, both though trail and error, reading some great advice on CS, and talking to other CS roasters.

    I got 5 x 250gm of coffee out of it all today (2 KKTO, 3 WFO), and Im sure even a not so perfect WFO roast will be interesting to taste.

    Now I just need to find a suitable tumbler style roaster. I think it will give better heat distribution. :)

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 183537313C3D39540 link=1299902364/19#19 date=1300266955
    Now I just need to find a suitable tumbler style roaster. I think it will give better heat distribution. Smiley
    Try a steel -Y- yolk in the oven as a rest for turning
    You will also need a round pipe on the handle for it to work

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    thanks trentski this info is great. I will report back with the results of my first roast soon.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    jlazz62, are you roasting in a woodfired oven?

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    trentski,
    thankyou, I had skimmed through Baby Roaster thread couple of weeks ago, it was what got me keen about baby roaster. Have just reread it whilst enjoying a coffee and soo excited* :D think I really like the sound of this type of roast.


    Lacehim,
    following your WFO with great interest as my sister has recently moved to a property with WFO. Mentioned to my OH that should pack up my green beans and swag (360 Km round trip) and try a roast in Adelaide Hills.

    cheers lu




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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 45686A6C616064090 link=1299902364/22#22 date=1300315788
    jlazz62, are you roasting in a woodfired oven?
    Yes Trentski I will be roasting in my woodfired oven hopefully in the next couple of weeks I have bought some PNG green beans to try so it will be interesting to see how it turns out. I will post some pics for all to see.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Hi Jlazz62,

    It was me that asked ;) ;D I would be interested in swapping notes with you to get an better idea about temps.

    Do you have a temp gauge on your oven?

    So far Ive learned that for my oven I need to let the oven burn down until the wood is just a mass of red embers or possibly lower temp. Anything hotter and it just goes too quick from 1st to 2nd crack.

    When you reach 1st crack to extend it youll probably need to pull it out from the fire quite a bit. I was going pull it out near the door and slowly edge it back over a few minutes for my next roast.

    The previous roast that I though was a bit of a disaster has turned out pretty good. Drinkable at least, so not a waste of beans :)

    A piccy of your woodfired oven would be great too. I cant believe I didnt get one sooner. :) Its great.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Hey Lace,
    Out of interest, what wood are you useing? is there a chance of more even temperature from hardwoods? Red Gum or something like it. i noticed Bunning’s sells those wood charcoal things i always wondered if they would make a good roasting fuel ::).


    DD ;)

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Nothing special at the moment. Im trying to source a supply of hardwood that I dont have to buy tons of in one go. Its got enough heat for cooking, but I too wondered if some qualtiy wood would have a more sustained burn and possibly a more even temp.

    I tried the Ecologs from bunnings. They burned way to quick, but good for kindling.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    need to go hunting for a dead hardwood tree or branches in bushland I had a laugh, aslong as its eco-freindly harvesting ;).

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Quote Originally Posted by 173A383E3332365B0 link=1299902364/25#25 date=1300708159
    A piccy of your woodfired oven would be great too.
    Hi trentski sorry havent posted just got back from sunny Gold Coast! I havent tried to roast in my oven yet hopefully get a chance this weekend if the weather holds up in Melbourne! I do have a temp gauge on my oven. I also have a laser thermo that I use to get correct floor temp and wall temps which works great. I also managed to get a couple of stainless sieves from a $2 shop so I can make my little bean apparatus! I have attached a pic of my oven which I built 12 months ago now from scratch using clay, sand and cement. Believe it or not the base was the hardest part! Keep you posted on the roast once I get a chance.[img][/img]




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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Ya makin me hungry :)

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Me. Lucky for me my WFO is fired and the pizza dough is ready!!!!

    Nice oven. Kinda wish I had built my own but time ran out. Can you block off to chimney? You might have issues baking bread in it with a permanent flue.

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    Re: Woodfired Oven Roasting Ideas

    Roasted tonight following lovely pizzas. Mmmmm.

    I roasted about 30cm from the heat source, which was red hot and no flames. It look a while, and I probably should have been closer. 1st crack at about 17mins, first snaps of 2nd about 25mins and pull, but to be honest the roast looked more like a roast to 1st crack with some tipping and over roasted beans in there.

    So based on that Im not wasting any more beans for the moment until I redesign the roasting cage. I personally think the heat source is fine for roasting. The problem is my method, where the beans are in the cage on the floor and arent being adjitated enough.

    I think Im going to have to visit harris scaffe in brisbane next visit for a look at the rotissarie cage Im sure I spotted there and see if I can adapt that. From memory it was 60-80 dollar though. At least that might enable it to be more even to the heat source and operated by a motor or a crank. Im not sure if the floor, which is also heated causes problems or not?

    jlazz62, have a go if youve got some green to spare and let me know how you go. My first roast was great, but the latest havent been as good. Still its great fun doing something different.

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    Just found the site, registered and my first posting.
    Two years since the above post made, but hopefully Lacehim is still around.
    I also have a wood fired oven and built a rotiserie for roasting beans but not sure of heat control and consistence. Especially now that I have built a lpg roaster from an old lpg cylinder, I find that roasting is really a very complicated science and especially if you have 'basic equipment', consistency will go out the door. Sorry, but I like my coffee too much to waste and have second grade results.
    The rotiserie that I built for the wood fired oven has not been used and simply lying around going rusty, but who knows, one day I will adapt a stainless shaft and cook a side of pork or a whole lamb if I can find a small one to fit through the door.

    roasting green coffee beans - Page 2 - Forno Bravo Forum: The Wood-Fired Oven Community

    see permalinks 12, 13, 15 and 18

    Sorry, can't work out how to attach photos yet.

    Cheers.

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    Now that I have approval to include pictures, here's my wood fired oven roaster.
    Cast aluminium doors would close between the drum and motor/drive system, haven't used it and not likely to as it would be too hard to control the temperature and too long getting it right, especially for consistency.

    Cheers.

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