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    Quote Originally Posted by CaffeinatedAndrew View Post
    I'm posting about the roaster.... I was just curious about how easy it is to hear the beans crack. It just seemed really hard to hear anything other than the drum motor and the beans getting tossed around. I'm sure it's much easier in person to differentiate between the sounds. I really like the look of this roaster and will be waiting to hear reviews from the lucky first testers/owners when they arrive
    This is a good point, and i share the concern. For those that had a look at the machine over the weekend, did you find this to be a problem (not sure if there were any roasts done live).

    Also, the video was from Feb 15, which is late stage prototype, and maybe there have been some changes.

    My biggest gripe is the lack of a sampler.

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    I'm not too worried about crack. Seasoned roasters can see it on a datalog even if it's a little hard to hear.

    I'll be able to add further info including the specifics of what my average ears can hear as soon as we receive ours.

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    Can see it on a building site without a datalog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I'm not too worried about crack. Seasoned roasters can see it on a datalog even if it's a little hard to hear.

    I'll be able to add further info including the specifics of what my average ears can hear as soon as we receive ours.
    This is only true if you have bean temp probe though right?

    For people that use a behmor or similar where you're checking ambient temp, you can't see the temp change (increased RoR I'm guessing) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggoosen View Post
    This is only true if you have bean temp probe though right?
    The Aillio has probes.

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    Some interesting info here.
    Aillio bullet r1 roasting machine - Page 9 - Home-Barista.com

    I'd be cautious about pre-order of a product still seemingly under development, with no release date yet confirmed.
    Seems to me that by pre-ordering you are helping fund development and production. Just a thought.

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    Hey Mouldy,

    You're talking about something completely different.

    Have you read the Talk Coffee pre-order info?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouldy View Post
    I'd be cautious about pre-order of a product still seemingly under development, with no release date yet confirmed.
    Seems to me that by pre-ordering you are helping fund development and production. Just a thought.
    When I preordered, yeppers... but now, no. Regardless of all of that, I'd agree that Kickstarter, Indigogo or similar would probably have generated the funding in a way that made many more comfortable to preorder.

    For one, ECA (the Aussie importer) are a long established company and as always, have done their homework thoroughly.

    To the best of my understanding, Jonas is supervising the assembly and testing of the first units now and there are 250 of them on the first run.

    We are expecting further details on ETA of the first batch of Australia within 2 weeks.

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    If they've bothered to bring a unit that is entirely operational to an Australian event, have appointed an Australian distributor who has done/is doing all the safety checks, and two retailers (maybe more I haven't checked) are keen to stock this... I really don't see any reason for concern. To get to that point, significant investment funds will have been committed that they'll be eager to recuperate with sales from a reputable product. Small batch roasting is pretty niche (250 roasters!) - reputation is everything if they want to make a return on this. They can't afford to go to market with a dud, or promise a product that still doesn't exist.

    It's good to be cautious, but there's no reason to believe this is still under development (other than your normal further R&D on the existing product for firmware upgrades etc. and second iteration). If this was Kickstarter - sure you could believe that it was under development, that's the whole point of the Kickstarter program, but they didn't go that route so no need to panic. Plus TC is absorbing all the perceived 'risk' anyway given he's happy to refund preorders less expenses.

    Now just wish I had a further $3000 handy. Shouldn't have bought that new HX...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggoosen View Post

    My biggest gripe is the lack of a sampler.
    It's alright, just wait until Coffee Machinist or any of the other mechanically brilliant machine workshops get one in their hands...

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    Are units being manufactured ready-to-go with Australian electrical safety compliance or do we have to wait for the approval?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Are units being manufactured ready-to-go with Australian electrical safety compliance or do we have to wait for the approval?
    ECA will be importing a ready to go AUS spec roaster.
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    I've pre ordered from Chris and can't wait to give it a try. I was about to upgrade an older hottop to the newer spec but hopefully this will eliminate any need to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukemc View Post
    I've pre ordered from Chris and can't wait to give it a try. I was about to upgrade an older hottop to the newer spec but hopefully this will eliminate any need to!
    We'll be doing a CS'er come play morning for those in Melbourne who'd like a look- once our preorder arrives...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    We'll be doing a CS'er come play morning for those in Melbourne who'd like a look- once our preorder arrives...
    Wish I was down your way Chris...

    Mal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    We'll be doing a CS'er come play morning for those in Melbourne who'd like a look- once our preorder arrives...
    Guess I'll need to see some clients in Melbourne that week then see you then

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    Any updates on this roaster? I am ready to pull the trigger on something, and i was considering putting this in the mix.

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    Plenty of info further up the thread...
    Aillio Bullet R1 preorder | Talk Coffee

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGAMO View Post
    Any updates on this roaster? I am ready to pull the trigger on something, and i was considering putting this in the mix.
    They has just made a new video, it's available on facebook.https://www.facebook.com/AillioOfficial/videos/443252332526694/?hc_location=ufi

    so far its looking really good, though it's only roasting 500gr in 10 minutes.

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    Some feedback for everyone's benefit.

    I emailed Jonas for a a few things and these are his responses

    Question : is the preorder price on the website a ballpark or is it the actual price I will pay for the first units


    Answer : The price you see on our website is a pre order price which is a complete set. Roaster, cooling tray and software included.

    After we finish pre orders, the price will go up to around 2000-2200US$

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    Aillio R1 Bullet

    Second question : Does the roster come with a trier/bean checking shaft?


    There is an optional tried that you can purchase.
    Most roasters that I talked to did not need one, so to keep the cost down we made it an option.

    It will be available some month after the Bullet is shipped out, and the price is not confirmed yet, but will not break the bank.
    You will have to install it yourself - easy!

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    Update from Aillio last night...

    Aillio News & Update

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    Looks like it is starting to come together for these guys. Does anyone know will the profile loading feature on this machine 'remember' and target bean temperature across the roast curve? Or will it simply remember heat application at various stages, like a Hottop?

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    sounds like Aillo have added a speaker to the bullet
    https://www.facebook.com/AillioOffic...8808134304447/
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    Quote Originally Posted by saoye View Post
    Looks good, the agitation maybe a tad too vigorous ? Was that to end of first crack ?
    Understatement alert!

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    Looks like pre-orders are about to finish up, with shipping to start soon

    From their Facbook:

    JUST A QUICK NOTE - if you haven't read our last newsletter. We will end the pre orders from 10th Jan***. We have more than reached our target and Bullets are being assembled at this moment.
    We are also sorting out all the orders and compiling a list of who get what, when and how. You will be contacted to confirm the shipping address + costs as soon as we have the quotes from our fright company.

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    Their 'fright' company bothers me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paolo View Post
    Their 'fright' company bothers me....
    Bother or frighten?
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    My preorder is in and I'm excited to be part of this. The guys at Aillio have been very responsive to my questions and pretty much coffeesnobs in my opinion. They do not appear to be just some startup looking to make a quick buck.

    This type of innovation/creativity/development is wonderful to see. It's great that the internet makes it possible for these guys to get their ideas into production and for us end users to be able to see it develop, back them, be part of it and benefit.

    I thought agitation might be a tad fast and it turns out drum speed is adjustable if you look through their videos.

    Now to wait for delivery...

    Javabeen.
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    Talk_Coffee have the preorders ended on your site as well?

    Looking at preordering an Australian delivered one

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    Hello celph,

    We have yet to get an ETA from Aillio, so have closed preorders at 10 units.

    Once we have further information, we'll open orders again.

    Cheers

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    Hi Chris

    Just saw your update email.

    I'm tempted to make it a holiday weekend and come over for MICE.

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    Any more news about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwat View Post
    Any more news about it?
    It will (subject to OHS stuff) be on demo at MICE
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    Cool looking forward to seeing it. Will you be at MICE Chris? I did not see you there last year.

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    Looks like the roasters are finally about to ship

    Their latest newsletter:

    First roaster is done

    Friday 4th we reached a major milestone. The first 100% factory assembled Bullet R1 left our assembly (see the above picture). Our Japanese distributor were visiting our office and factory to inspect the quality and production and together we witnessed the final assembly and consequently roasted 6 batches of coffee. We are excited about this!
    Status

    As mentioned on our Facebook page, I just got back from China. I went there to check the progress of the induction coil and induction PCB - and to explain to them in person that there can be no further delays!

    More than 300 induction PCBs are done, and the aluminum part (frame) is now ready. The factory then assembles the PCB, coil frame, socket into one module. They will send me 20 modules today. The next batch will be 230pcs and should arrive this coming week. The 220V version will arrive first, followed by the 110V a week later.

    The reason for manufacturing the induction module in China is that they are the only factory (to my knowledge) that uses the newest technology which is more energy efficient and will last longer. We chose this for the Bullet more than 2 years ago when we decided the topology, and have been working together with the factory since then.

    We now have 20 finished roasters in the Taiwanese assembly line only waiting for the induction module. 230 more started production some weeks ago and are progressing.

    Looking ahead, we will ship the first 12 roasters from 10-12 March. They will ship to Australia, Denmark and Singapore. The next batch of roasters will be shipped out starting from 28th March until 12th April at which point most early supporters should have received their pre-order. We will keep you updated on Facebook.

    If you need to get in touch with us, we encourage you to send a message on Facebook.
    Shipping Costs

    We are working out all the shipping costs. They will be a little bit lower than our initial estimate.
    As an example, shipping to USA will be a little less than $190.00 USD
    Bullets on display

    If time permits, we will be at MICE in Melbourne from 17th to 19th of March.
    There will be a few Bullets on display there and a chance to try it out for yourself.

    The Aillio team / Jacob & Jonas
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    We have confirmation that at least one Aillio will be in operation at MICE.

    I'll be on site on Friday only. Come say hello, meet the ECA crew and you get to chat with the designers of the Aillio as well.
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    Oh to live in Victoria
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    Would love to come over for MICE, but the wife has plans on those dates so maybe next year. I hear the coffee is really good in Melbourne.

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    I'll be there. It will be great to see the Bullet in action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauly404 View Post
    I'll be there. It will be great to see the Bullet in action.
    So has anyone had a chance to check out the Bullet at MICE and see it in action?

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    Aillio R1 Bullet



    I didn't get to see it roasting but I did see it fired up and running. For some reason I spent the whole time talking to one of the inventors and forgot to take a picture of it!! I grabbed one of the second roaster they had on the stand outside the sensory lab. It looks really well built and solid and I'm looking forward to getting mine
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    I saw it in person. Very nice. Personally couldn't justify a few thousand $ more than for my behmor but would definitely be in my list if i won tatts....

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    Hi all, has the $AUS price been set for the R1 yet?

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    At the show they were setting expectation of over $4k

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    I also had a look at the Bullet. Nice looking roaster. I was able to see it in action and was surprised at the output in terms of available heat. I didnt think the price was going to be as high as 4k? Either way it seems these guys are really putting in some effort to make sure these roasters come out %100.

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    I think pricing needs to be taken in the context that a real 1kg electric commercial roaster from a brand which can provide local compliance and support would set you back well over double what the estimated ask will be. I bumped into Mahalia at the ECA stand and she mentioned that her 1kg Diedrich was significantly north of $10k and that was after her loyalty discount.

    Jacob and Jonas have been very generous to those who placed faith in them and preordered. I'd think that they will be making little, if anything on the first batch of 250 which were sold at too good to be true prices. The reality is that even their most recent preorder price equates to over $3k landed in Australia.

    ECA need to find funding to buy them (and we're probably talking a container load), establish a parts inventory and then allow themselves and resellers a fair margin. I think that even at $4k, the bullet represents very good buying for a serious hobby roaster or small commercial operation- such as mucking around with an origin or two to add to a cafe offer.

    It works (really well) and I am very much looking forward to receiving ours.

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    For the capacity it is certainly a bargain. The big question in my mind is how quickly this roaster will respond to intended temperature changes. The beauty of a traditional gas roaster is that the majority of bean heating is attributable to convection rather than conduction and the roasting air temperature is quickly responsive to alterations to the burners. I'll be interested to see how quickly the Aillio's induction system works in comparison.

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    I reckon it'll be pretty agile. But hopefully not at the expense of management of airflow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwantfm View Post
    The big question in my mind is how quickly this roaster will respond to intended temperature changes.
    As quickly as when you cook on induction...
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