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    Aillio R1 Bullet

    So I haven't seen a post on this yet but here is a new roaster coming out hopefully this year!

    Currently in late prototyping stages it is shaping up nicely and specs are as follows:

    1kg batch size
    ET and BT measuring
    front display with the 2 temp readings, can also display RoR and other important stuff
    US 120v and 240v models
    1550w power which when combined with the high efficiency of the design can translate to sufficient power for the batch size
    USB ports and potential to share profiles and the like in the future.

    Computer controlled roasting
    Manual / Automatic control
    10 Power levels
    10 Fan speed levels
    Variable Drum speed
    External cooling tray
    USB: Computer logging / control

    Compensation to control input power fluctuations.
    Roast cycles: no limit
    5.6L Steel Drum
    Fully insulated
    Quiet operation
    Easy cleaning

    Length (without Cooling tray): 560mm
    Width: (Legs) 320mm
    Height: (without funnel): 390mm
    Weight: TBC

    There is a tonne of info on the homeroasters.org site and they even have the creator of it on there answering questions. There is a possibility of a tour through EU, USA and Aus this year.

    Looks a beauty and priced between a hottop and the cheap chinese 1kgs. ~2k?

    Marcism
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    2.8 kg with 1500W? I doubt it.. #30minroast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    2.8 kg with 1500W? I doubt it.. #30minroast
    Thermal efficiency is definitely the million dollar question. The hints they provide seem to point to a more direct method of heating the drum than the standard electric element then large air filled void then drum.

    The 2.8 kg is apparently the weight of the drum. The roaster itself is claimed to have 1 kg roasting capacity and they've shown profiles that are teens or less minutes into second crack.

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    Interesting. A 1kg drum roaster that is plug and play in the home using 1500 W meaning no need for a 20amp power source. They claim they did 1kg 20-30 seconds into 2nd crack within 12 mins. I wonder what kind of heat source and air combination they are using to achieve that with 1500w.

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    Hi, this is Jonas from Aillio

    If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here, and I will be happy to answer as much as I can. We are applying for a few patents, and the drum heating being one of them, so for these questions, I wont be able to say too much at this stage.


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    The obvious questions then: when can we buy and how much will it cost (locally)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aillio View Post
    Hi, this is Jonas from Aillio
    If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here, and I will be happy to answer as much as I can.
    do you have any connection to the european market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruity View Post
    The obvious questions then: when can we buy and how much will it cost (locally)?
    Hi fruity.
    We feel confident that it will be ready by the end of the year. As for the final price our aim is somewhere on the lower side of 2K US$

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    Hi Rolf

    Could you explain a bit more about what you mean about connections?
    Our design and engineering is done in Denmark, so we are here already.

    We have started a UK company that will deal with getting everything approved so that each distributor does not have to go through this.
    Our other products are already being sold in Europe.


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    Jonas,

    I'd like to ask about cleaning please. One of the things I'm attracted to in a good 500 g or 1 kg roaster is that there is a separate cyclone that makes chaff much easier to handle and makes the roaster much cleaner. I have a small roaster which I need to break apart relatively frequently to take care of dust and chaff. Will your roaster be much friendlier in this regard?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwantfm View Post
    Jonas,

    I'd like to ask about cleaning please. One of the things I'm attracted to in a good 500 g or 1 kg roaster is that there is a separate cyclone that makes chaff much easier to handle and makes the roaster much cleaner. I have a small roaster which I need to break apart relatively frequently to take care of dust and chaff. Will your roaster be much friendlier in this regard?

    Thanks,
    Terence
    Hi Terence

    As on the big roaster, the chaff will be taken out with the airflow. The fan motor and drum motor is completely separated from the chaff collector. The chaff collector which can be taken off, is half of the back part of the roaster. The other half is for the motors.
    There are seals that make the chaffcollector airtight with the fan.
    One of the things we really like is how easy it is to take out the impeller. Just one screw and you can pull it out as the chaffcollector covers half the fan housing.
    Then you can soak it to clean out the oils.

    Air pipes are sealed so I would be surprised if you find any chaff where they shouldn't be.

    Jonas




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    Hi Jonas
    This is a really interesting looking little roaster - 1kg for sub $2.5-3K aussie will gather lots of interest!
    Look forward to seeing the ongoing development…
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    Good one, thanks for the updates.

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    Certainly looks very interesting. Haven't been too many updates anywhere for a while - does the developer have any updates to share? I'm sure there are lots of people curious to know how things are going.

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    Updates! https://m.youtube.com/watch?utm_medi...&v=uaQkpjsSjcE

    Well it's more a showing of it in action. Looks cool and quite sizeable. Next video will show the PC interface. Wonder how Jonas and Co. will tackle the flying beans coming from the dump door?

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    The flying beans sure are obvious!

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    Looks good, the agitation maybe a tad too vigorous ? Was that to end of first crack ?

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    Hmmm, I also like the look of this. Look forward to it's release to the Oz market.

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    For those that have been looking at this roaster,

    I just received in update from them, most intersting detail from the update is:
    "So when can we get one please? The only question that really matters right?- and the answer is: Mid 2015"

    they have updated their website, including a brochure pdf

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    Looks great but I do notice that the dump door has not changed which may still mean bean flying everywhere like in the prototype. I'm still very keen and think this may be a strong contender for first roaster purchase as opposed to DIY.

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    Wow! That looks like a very cool roaster for home use. I'll look forward to see how it develops.

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    They're taking pre-orders on these with an ETA of July 2015.

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    just noticed this
    Aillio Bullet R1 | Talk Coffee

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    Don't read anything into it yet. It's early days...

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    ....We've taken the risk and parted with our $$$ for a pre-order Bullet and hope something arrives sometime around the time they say it will.

    Regardless of how good it is, it will need to pass electrical certification (read get a whole pile of cash, a few roasters, a stack of time and say goodbye to the lot).

    It will be good if it can deliver what it can promise. I'm happy to take the risk on behalf of CS and will let members know if/when.

    I cannot see any scenario which would allow for sale of these roasters in Australia for quite some time.
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    To update this thread, an importer (not us) has been appointed and the Bullet will be coming to Australia. The importer will commission electrical testing to certify it for use for use in Australia in the same way as was necessary for the Brazen and it can then go on sale. My gut tells me we may well be looking at late 2015-mid 2016- but I have been wrong before!

    I understand that Aillio has a handful of operational roasters now and I'll post again once we receive confirmation that our evaluation unit is heading our way. Here's hoping it works well.
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    Definitely a sexy looking machine. Will be interested to see how it goes in the real world!

    Just FYI...Your spec sheet download link doesn't work.

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    I'm keenly watching this space too for updates on the Bullet. One thing I did notice today while browsing the blog section of Aillio's website, is a sample roast they did on the Bullet that went 1:15 (!!??) into second crack. I hope this roast level is not the benchmark for all their tests ...

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    That's a typo... the graph in that blog post shows first crack at 9:10, second crack at 12:30 and drop at 13:15.

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    Just to let everyone know that 2 months post transfer of funds, we are yet to extract even an invoice for funds sent.

    Must say that this looking more and more like a gamble and I'm hoping that we have not purchased vapourware.

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    Their newsletter from the beginning of the week looks interesting.
    Aillio Bullet R1 Heating & Pre-Order PayPal

    Heats via induction!
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    With all of that, they're still falling down on communication and there is no acceptable excuse for the absence of paperwork.

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    Yes, time will tell....
    New newsletter out and apparently they have added bluetooth conneectivity

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    I found them to have an amazingly poor level of communication. Basic simple marketing stuff. The whole thing made me way too nervous to pre-order. Hopefully it'll all work out and we'll see some real world testing sooner rather than later. I went another route.
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    One kilo seems quite a large capacity for home use. Speaking for myself I drink a pourover every day at work, around 12g per day, then a double espresso ( 18g vst basket ) each day of the weekend so too my better half, so 36g x 2 = 72 + 60 = 142g per week not including wastage. Roasting in 2-300 g batches suits me much better, wonder if this machine a bit over specified for a lot of domestic users.

    Other than that why don't they stump up the cash for an admin assistant to do all the emails and invoicing. They're based out of Taiwan, where wages are approximately a quarter of Aud wages. If businesses who will ultimately represent their product, like Talk above, are not feeling heard, then cracks are definitely appearing. Internet sales require no investment in bricks and mortar, but a higher level of service and communication in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrmontboy200 View Post
    One kilo seems quite a large capacity for home use.
    No one is saying it will suit all roasting needs. There are many small volume roasters that will meet yours.

    They're based out of Taiwan ...[
    No, they are based in Denmark but will operate from the UK. The roaster will be manufactured in Taiwan. See earlier in this thread for the response from Jonas of Aillio:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aillio View Post
    Our design and engineering is done in Denmark, so we are here already. We have started a UK company that will deal with getting everything approved so that each distributor does not have to go through this. Our other products are already being sold in Europe.
    Edit: I see from the Aillio website that there is a Taipei address provided.

    Chris from Talk Coffee has kindly agreed to buy and evaluate one of the first Aillio R1S. If it turns out to be suitable, he may well be the Australian distributor but time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celph View Post
    Yes, time will tell....
    New newsletter out and apparently they have added bluetooth conneectivity
    ...it always makes me concerned when one of these developments starts dicking about with the frilly bits before they have a proven basic machine and an organised production plan.
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    It will be perfect for my needs, we go through about 1.5kg of beans a week, quite painful going through the process with the Gene at the moment.

    Hopefully some will be getting their evaluation units soon.

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    We have progress. Finally, an invoice/receipt for the $$$$

    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Chris from Talk Coffee has kindly agreed to buy and evaluate one of the first Aillio R1S. If it turns out to be suitable, he may well be the Australian distributor but time will tell.
    No, not us Flynn, but a respected company. I'm not at liberty to disclose details yet.

    If they pass muster, we'll definitely be selling them and I'm greatly looking forward to receiving our evaluation unit.
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    Look forward to your unbiased appraisal Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    No, not us Flynn, but a respected company.
    Ah, cool. I didn't see your follow up post advising that another co. had been appointed as importer. Nevertheless, I'm sure you will be doing your own evaluation when you receive your unit.
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    Hey Talkcoffee,


    How much are you looking for a deposit on any preorders ? Please PM me with details

    Thanks

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    Hi Michael,

    Waaaay too early to even think about it. To the best of my understanding, nobody's seen a working model yet.

    We'll update our webpage if/when we have further information.

    Chris

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    I noticed that someone from Aillio was in Sydney today demonstrating at a coffee shop (check instagram).

    This roaster looks great! and at the price point seems like a great starting point. Only thing missing is a "tryer" to check the beans
    Has anyone else heard anything about when these arrive? And is there anyone else willing to take the plunge with Chris?


    Also noted that they will be demoing the unit at "Moore park" im guessing in syndey from the 3-5 Sep.

    Anyone around going to have a look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggoosen View Post
    Has anyone else heard anything about when these arrive?
    Here's a recent update from the AUS importer:
    Espresso Company Australia

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    Chris, are you distributing for them as well?

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    I was lucky enough to spend some time with Jonas the other day who went over the design/use/features of this roaster - Thanks Jonas!

    We'll definitely be ranging this and hope to have stock later this year. If possible we'll also have a working demo for those in Sydney . Stay tuned for pre order details or make contact to go on the list,

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    Not sure if it was the my bad phone speakers or the filming but it was impossible to hear any first or second cracks in the video on talkcoffee website

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    So are you posting about your phone, or the filming?

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    I'm posting about the roaster.... I was just curious about how easy it is to hear the beans crack. It just seemed really hard to hear anything other than the drum motor and the beans getting tossed around. I'm sure it's much easier in person to differentiate between the sounds. I really like the look of this roaster and will be waiting to hear reviews from the lucky first testers/owners when they arrive
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