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    Great work Andy on this and working with Mr Behm for all of the above! I'm very much looking forward to getting hold of one when they come available!
    Any news or feedback about it from MICE? If there are any left after Saturday, will they go to people on the list?
    Thanks again!

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    Picked mine up today from MICE. I won't be able to christen it till Sunday/Monday. I'm very excited to use it and taste the results. I want to head out now but I'm buggered after working a volunteer shift at MICE for the cup tasting. What a day, overjoyed.
    Nice to see you again Andy and to have a chat, no doubt you'll be even busier tomorrow with the public there. Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post

    New Features:[/SIZE]
    [LIST][*]Manual Control
    • ​0%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100% selectable element power.
    • Variable drum speed 8 RPM / 16 RPM

    [*]View Temperatures during a roast
    • Chamber wall
    • Exhaust channel
    Hi Andy
    The manual I got does not describe how to use/what buttons to press to use these features. Any chance you could please give me a rundown?
    Thanks
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    OK I couldn't resist. I went out and fired up Behmor plus, did the burn in then loaded up 100g of greens, Peru CDS. Think I answered my own questions as I couldn't help but try and have a fiddle with the controls. Manual mode/control is activated by pressing P1 to P5 for 0% to 100% power. I was able to vary the drum speed while in manual mode by pressing program button D, I think hehe.

    The roast turned out very good, went to the start of second crack. It actually looks sensational, nice brown beans, no scorching or tipping, like commercially drum roasted beans. I used profile P1 100g, and fiddled with the power settings dropping it to 25% at rolling first crack then back up to 100% at the end of rolling first crack. At first crack I used the Rosetta Stone feature and added time to 2:30. Second crack came at about 2min after first crack at which stage I started the cooling cycle. 17% loss in bean mass, I'm impressed! Usually end up with much more loss in mass using other roasters but at the end of the day it's how it cups that matters.

    Wow how easy is this? I'm impressed and glad I got it. Really looking forward to roasting in this beauty. Thanks Andy :-)
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    Oh and chamber wall and exhaust channel temps are viewed by pressing program buttons A or B respectively.

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    B+ Instruction page: http://i.imgur.com/TqSZnzf.png

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    Thanks Delish007. Where did you get that from, is it from your own manual? Noticed the roast weight buttons are in pounds whereas mine are in grams so the 1 button for returning to Auto mode from manual would be the 400g button on the mine.

    Cheers
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    It's from the main forum on the b+ at coffeegeek.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by javabeen View Post
    Hi Andy
    The manual I got does not describe how to use/what buttons to press to use these features. Any chance you could please give me a rundown?
    Here is a "cheat sheet" for the new roaster.

    Behmor 1600 Plus
    Cheat Sheet.


    Before connecting the mains supply:

    1. Clean the roast chamber: Clean the interior of the roasting chamber with a soft cloth. Check for any remnant packing material.
    2. Set the supply voltage: hold down the appropriate weight button - A for 220 volt, B for 230 volt, or C for 240 volt - then connect the supply. The display will show the set voltage. Press Start to save the voltage setting - You won't need to do this again unless your supply voltage changes.
    3. Perform a dry burn: Without putting beans in the roaster, press [200] and Start. Allow the roaster to run through the entire cycle, which will take a total of 22 minutes - 12 minutes of heating followed by 10 minutes of cooling will count down in the display.
    4. Never leave the roaster unattended while roasting coffee.
    5. First roast: The roast profiles are calibrated to specific weights, so carefully weigh 100 grams of green coffee beans. Press [100] [Start]. The display will count down from 8:30. To ensure that the roaster is being monitored, when the display reaches 2:07 (75% complete), it will change to un:30 and count down for 30 seconds. Before the count reaches zero, you must press Start as an acknowledgement, otherwise roasting will stop and cooling will begin.

    Advanced features

    The Behmor 1600 Plus is designed to operate automatically (auto mode) after setting the weight, profile and power options, then pressing Start. However, if you want to take more control over the characteristics of the roast, you can do so.
    To display the exhaust temperature, press the A button.
    To display the chamber wall temperature, press the B button.
    To set the "Rosetta Stone" remaining roast time at first crack, press the C button.
    To switch to manual mode and set the heating power level, press P1 for 0%, P2 for 25%, P3 for 50%, P4 for 75%, or P5 for 100%.
    To toggle the drum rotation speed between slow and fast (only in manual mode), press the D button.
    To switch from manual mode back to auto mode, press the [400] button.
    Error codes

    If the Behmor 1600 detects a malfunction, it will display an error code:

    • Err1: Roast chamber wall temperature too low.
    • Err2: Roast chamber wall temperature too high.
    • Err3: Exhaust temperature too high.
    • Err4: Roast chamber wall temperature too high during cool phase.
    • Err5: DC fan stalled.
    • Err6: Drum motor stalled.
    • Err7: Roast was unattended at 75% of roast time.
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    Thanks Andy.

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    Thanks for your email, Andy.

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    First, Thanks for emailing the invoice Andy.


    From the manual it said: 'Press "C" at First Crack to reset time remaining'

    Question: when exactly is first crack? the first couple pops? or in the mids of the roll?

    On my first batch (freebie Peru greens), 100g, P1, auto. Then after the first few pops of first crack, I can't stop myself from pressing C then drop to 25%. About a minute after first crack, I heard a couple snaps of second crack and immediately hit cool. Using v60, brewed immediately: bland and boring (as expected), day 1: good. day 2 (today): great, it has that spices aroma. I think I could do better on the next batch, but even with this result, it's already better than most served at the expo. The Behmor, it's either a great machine or the beans are easy to roast (probably both).

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    hello, I am French and I had to idea of ​​buying a Behmor, but between the problem of voltage and the new "Plus" version I'll wait. In France this brand is not sold, there is only Gene coffee. Do you know when the Behmor 1600 will be more available for sale?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg34 View Post
    hello, I am French and I had to idea of ​​buying a Behmor, but between the problem of voltage and the new "Plus" version I'll wait. In France this brand is not sold, there is only Gene coffee. Do you know when the Behmor 1600 will be more available for sale?

    Thanks
    Hello Greg, welcome to CoffeeSnobs.

    I removed Claudio's reply as it was quoting the rough arrival date of the USA roaster, not the 220/240V roaster that you will need.
    We will be landing the 220/240v roaster soon but via this site we only sell within Australia. Drop me an email (andy@coff...) and I'll let you know when you can get one in France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kutis View Post
    First, Thanks for emailing the invoice Andy.


    From the manual it said: 'Press "C" at First Crack to reset time remaining'

    Question: when exactly is first crack? the first couple pops? or in the mids of the roll?

    On my first batch (freebie Peru greens), 100g, P1, auto. Then after the first few pops of first crack, I can't stop myself from pressing C then drop to 25%. About a minute after first crack, I heard a couple snaps of second crack and immediately hit cool. Using v60, brewed immediately: bland and boring (as expected), day 1: good. day 2 (today): great, it has that spices aroma. I think I could do better on the next batch, but even with this result, it's already better than most served at the expo. The Behmor, it's either a great machine or the beans are easy to roast (probably both).
    ANSWER: Dunno!

    Please don't get too hung-up on "exactly" or "specific" or "accuracy to the 5th decimal place". Coffee roasting isn't like that. It's a mixture of art and science, the start of first crack can be where ever you like... just keep it the same so you get some consistency.

    There are always a couple of beans that "jump early" that can be ignored I would suggest you call the start of first crack when you get 3 or 5 cracks together.

    The Behmor, it's either a great machine or the beans are easy to roast (probably both)
    Definitely both!

    Enjoy the roasting journey.

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    Andy

    How do I override Err7? I've been caught out a couple of times staring at the beans, mesmerised watching them tumbling around in there and forgotten to press start to let the roaster know I'm still there and then unable to restart a roast even after powering down. This has resulted in the batch having to be dumped

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    Quote Originally Posted by javabeen View Post
    How do I override Err7?
    Set a timer for sometime before 75% of the allotted time? Or depending on your profile preference, if you're not going for a dark roast with big batch size, increase the time before start, and aim to finish the roast around 75% mark.

    Never got bitten by that before, but last time I have about 10 sec left before the dead man switch kick in. IMHO, it's a good feature to have, but it needs a low volume beep. I'm looking at the temp a lot more than the time. But no fast drum in auto mode bugs me more than anything so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by javabeen View Post
    Andy

    How do I override Err7? I've been caught out a couple of times staring at the beans, mesmerised watching them tumbling around in there and forgotten to press start to let the roaster know I'm still there and then unable to restart a roast even after powering down. This has resulted in the batch having to be dumped
    Excellent news!
    Is that an angry smiley or an embarrassed one at the end of your post?

    It's working exactly as intended. If you are distracted, "mesmerised" or just not in front of the roaster then it's doing just what it should, turn off the power to the elements and start the cooling cycle.

    This is by far the safest way to roast, the "un30 countdown" protected your roaster (beans are cheap!) and potentially protected the environment around your roaster too.

    It will flash the screen for 30 seconds, plenty of time to see it really.

    Set a timer for sometime before
    No... that would encourage people to leave the roaster unattended, which it clearly states in the manual and printed on top of the roaster to NEVER do. Please just press [Start] when the roaster screen flashes. It's really not a big burden and similar to wearing a seatbelt when you get in a car

    but it needs a low volume beep
    Having a beep wasn't an option without a very long-winded redesign of the hardware. The roaster currently has nothing in it that goes "beep" (thankfully too I think). High pitched electronics gear squawking at you every step of the way would certainly become annoying to most of us that enjoy how quiet the Behmor roasts.
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    Hiya Andy...

    The updated Behmor package looks to be a fantastic upgrade. About the only thing it can't do now is load the beans and dump them after cooling...

    A real beaut for sure...

    Mal.

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    Its definitely an angry/mad at having to throw out the beans for not remembering to press start. I see that features purpose, it was just frustrating since I'm always watching the roast and not the timer as I keep my own timer that counts up. I've never found count down timers any use as proven by the one on the gene cafe I've owned and used for many many years.

    I've been roasting coffee for what seems an eternity, I've never had a fire/left a roast unattended and in light of my roasting history that feature just annoyed the crap out of me. I don't speak for everyone though and I understand the reason for Err7. I'm now use to it so not a big deal, just one thing to keep an eye out for future owners of this version of the roaster. I did a couple of roasts today and just remembered to glance at the timer now and then.

    Agree beans are inexpensive and not a big deal. The question was simply how to restart the roaster after Err7 and I guess the answer is you can't till the roaster has completely cooled down/run a complete cooling cycle/exhaust temp reaches 54°.

    Happy roasting
    Javabeen.
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    Yeah Mal, the new features and functionality are cool.

    At MICE we smashed out roasts solidly for 4 days and tipped them on the counter as we finished each one. They looked awesome and we had commercial roasters even ask "what were these beans roasted on?"

    Most of those demo roasts were "auto profile" P1 or P2 and when 1st crack started went into manual mode using 0% or 25% element power to extend the first crack and the time to second crack. It was a great demo of the capabilities as well as being easy enough to do in a noisy, crowded public space while talking non-stop and not concentrating so well.

    I look forward to seeing how creative the CoffeeSnobs community get in building their own techniques with a mixture of auto and manual overrides. I'm sure there are some great methods to get even better results that I've yet to discover.

    The real shipment isn't too far away now... I'll be sending an email to the list as soon as they are released.
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    Could I just ask, with regard to cleaning, which 'Simple Green' product is advised? When I went to Bunnings a few months back there were 4 or 5 products similarly named.

    MODS: Not sure whether I should ask this in the old / new Behmor threads...so kindly move if needed.

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    Barry - the one I use is called Simple Green "All purpose Cleaner" purchased from Bunnings and yes it is green in colour Seems to cut through the coffee oils if used on a regular basis.
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    Thanks very much Circarda.

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    Last week while Joseph Behm and I were commuting to MICE I mentioned that he should be getting a commision from Simple Green and Bunnings as without his roaster sales of the product would be zero in this country. I'm sure there is a bean counter at Bunnings scratching his head as to why an item hidden in the cleaning section is selling so well.

    I've never seen it for sale anywhere in Australia except Bunnings but the product is available everywhere in the USA. The original formulation (and the one that the Behmor manual mentions) was the General Purpose GREEN coloured one, they have since released a few different colours that all seem to work the same... the last one I bought was an orange one, it smells nicer and seems to do the same job. Its a great cleaner for the roaster, I also use it on stainless benches and any hard surface in the Snobbery. Biodegradable and non-toxic, good for any food prep areas too.

    Interestingly, it was originally developed as a coffee roaster cleaner:

    The Simple Green® story began over thirty years ago, long before "environmentally friendly" products were mandated by law. Bruce FaBrizio and his father developed a safer alternative to the toxic cleaners then being used to remove tannic acid, a by-product of coffee roasting, from roasting machinery. It took three years to perfect the biodegradable, not-toxic, non-flammable, non-abrasive formula. After its initial success, Bruce began selling Simple Green to automotive and industrial customers in 55-gallon drums; which he delivered in his van, for use as a cleaner on equipment and floors.
    from: Simple Green Our History

    The surprising thing is that not only does it do a great job it's good value too at about $6 litre in a spray bottle and $5 a litre as a concentrate in bulk. Far cheaper than most all the similar cleaners in the supermarket.

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    There is a concentrate formula of simple green as well, simply add water which would help to keep the cost down

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    I've only used Simply Green on my roaster and the my kitchen oven and I'm still on the original bottle (2 years?).

    I reckon if you bought it just for your Behmor, one bottle would probably outlive the roaster.

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    I've been using the Simple Green oven cleaner version - it works just like regular over cleaners, you spray it on the surface, it foams up and then you wipe it off a minute or two later.

    It works really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post
    I've been using the Simple Green oven cleaner version - it works just like regular over cleaners, you spray it on the surface, it foams up and then you wipe it off a minute or two later.

    It works really well.
    Thanks. Jonathon. I actually did buy some of their oven cleaner, suspecting that this was what people were using.....so I should have that stored out in the possum palace (i.e. my garage) somewhere.

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    I used the orange Simple Green yesterday to clean my Behmor after 6 roasts when I started to see oils forming on the glass in the door. It definitely does a great job and like Andy said it smells pleasant. After a wipe with paper towels, I then did a dry burn and the roast is like new, all the oils are gone and no odor. If I keep this up it should live a long life and produce many fantastic roasted beans.

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    How do we feel about home remedies, like vinegar & baking soda solution, for cleaning?

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    Baking soda is abrasive and will damage the surface of the roaster.

    You are better off spending $5.50 and using the recommended product I think. One bottle will last you years.

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    Now that the Behmor is available for everyone, please don't forget the geisha that I just ordered express

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    Quote Originally Posted by kutis View Post
    Now that the Behmor is available for everyone, please don't forget the geisha that I just ordered express
    You've ordered Geisha for everyone? That's very generous. Will there be enough for you as well?

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    Is the only difference between the 'Pounds' and 'Grams' version of the Behmor Plus upgrade that the roast weight numbers on the front are 1/4, 1/2, 1lb instead of 100, 200, 400g or are the temp measurements in degrees F instead of C?

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    I hope its not in degrees F but it certainly doesn't say that anywhere either

    Andy will probably be able to clarify it but I do hope its in C because I already bought one :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemoo View Post
    I hope its not in degrees F but it certainly doesn't say that anywhere either

    Andy will probably be able to clarify it but I do hope its in C because I already bought one :S
    I ordered one too . I was walking the planet when they changed from F to C (in 1970). Reasonably comfortable with F but C is much easier to work with. I also emailed Andy with a link to my question

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    Temp sensor reading for 220-240v 50hz models will display in Celsius and 120v 60Hz models will display in Fahrenheit. FWIW, this is really not a new feature. I can access this info with my old model Behmor 1600 by pressing P1 for side wall sensor temp and P2 for exhaust temp and the values are in Celsius during the roast and cooling cycle. I have the 220-240v 50hz model and part of the very first shipment to the Hong Kong distributor.

    The really new and super cool feature is the power level manual mode settings and the drum speed rotation switch.

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    1600 plus ordered! Can't wait to get it! Thanks Andy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynnaus View Post
    Is the only difference between the 'Pounds' and 'Grams' version of the Behmor Plus upgrade that the roast weight numbers on the front are 1/4, 1/2, 1lb instead of 100, 200, 400g or are the temp measurements in degrees F instead of C?
    Yes, temperature is in celsius and the only difference is the mylar overlay on the front of the panel.

    For some people, having the same looking buttons as their original is important so they can use the POUNDS upgrade, for the rest of us the GRAMS metric face makes more sense. The factory had enough overlays to do the roasters but not the upgrade panels so we landed the POUND version for those that can't wait and the GRAM one will arrive before the end of June. Usage of both are exactly the same.
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    Ordered mine, thanks Andy! Looking forward to starting the adventure into home roasting.
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    Hi Andy
    Thank you for your message was very happy about it, it starts entlich.
    Will I receive a separate email from you purchased.
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    I'm kinda glad i received the email this week, I get paid next week.

    I'm sitting here thinking, do a REALLY want to get into home roasting, I have plenty of sources of excellent roasted coffee.
    I'm no cook, I'm a little afraid I wont be able to roast well enough for my liking.

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    home roasting to me means being able to experiment

    learning about where your coffee comes from, how things like altitude, soil, temperatures can affect how the coffee produced in a region is affected

    taking that in, playing with temperature curves and profiles when you roast and how that can effect 2 roasts of the same bean

    in short, if you are happy with the quality of coffee you are getting now then there is no reason to stop
    but if you are curious as to how that quality is achieved, then time to start a new hobby
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    Mines just shipped, excited much :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by amellor View Post
    I'm kinda glad i received the email this week, I get paid next week.

    I'm sitting here thinking, do a REALLY want to get into home roasting, I have plenty of sources of excellent roasted coffee.
    I'm no cook, I'm a little afraid I wont be able to roast well enough for my liking.
    YES, YES YOU DO!!!1

    Seriously, if you're coffee-curious, you'll enjoy roasting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grantw View Post
    Mines just shipped, excited much :-)
    Aaaaaand arrived earlier today. Looking forward to getting it set up and roasting tonight :-)

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    First batch on the new Behmor tonight and I'm quietly pleased with the result (ceja de selva - P5 auto pattern) though have a lot to learn (apart from pto ;-)) .


    First batch with Behmor 1600 roaster
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    Huge difference to the iCoffee - and I'm loving the evenness of the roast, no hotspots or charring. Convection for the win!
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    Mine shipped yesterday and arrived in SYD this morning. Thanks andy!

    2x 100g roasts down and amazed at how easy it is to use. No tipping,
    First and 2nd crack easy to hear - even when I roasted outside. Looking forward to tasting in a week or 2!
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    Behmor Coffee Roaster
    Looksg ood! Anyone willing to put up some logged profiles that have made use of the manual control?

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