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Thread: Roasting on the Aillio Bullet

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    Roasting on the Aillio Bullet

    People who own the Aillio Bullet and haven't seen this, mite help. Roasting on the Bullet – Coffee Navigated by Taste
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    Looks really helpful - thanks for the link. Haven't got one yet but am looking forward to using it when they're ready for sale in Aus.

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    Hi. Looking to advance into the world of home roasting. Does anyone have thoughts or reservations on the Bullet due to its method of heating I.e. Induction as compared to regular electric or gas. I am not sure that I like the idea of electromagnetics being so close to my beans let alone then consuming such beans. I'm not a massive fan or user of the microwave for similar reasons.

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    FWIW I can't taste any magnetism at all in my results

    I didn't have a good induction (pun intended) to my Aillio for a host of reasons with build glitches which led to an initial fail to proceed and then the inability to roast without disgorging its contents.. A drum replacement has solved all of my concerns and it's really only in the last few roasts I have been completely happy with the results. I'm satisfied to say the getting to know you period is now over. That said, I have really only had time to run about 15 batches through due to lack of available playtime.

    A batch of Andy's La Mula Geisha roasted just prior to Christmas was and continues to be brilliant.

    They are a great little roaster and I believe they offer terrific value for the modest spend when compared to their competitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoffiePlease View Post
    I'm not a massive fan or user of the microwave for similar reasons.
    Sometimes the saying "Ignorance is bliss." doesn't necessarily apply...

    Mal.

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    Sometimes when you plan to spend thousands of your hard earned on something, you may do a little too much research. There's also the thing of wanting to live a long and healthy life. I still wonder about this conduction tech....

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    Yep..too much research coupled with a killer dose of misinformation..

    Geez....What will you do when you find out that green beans are routinely fumigated as they cross our borders and those of many other countries?

    I'm wondering what the real agenda might be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman View Post
    Yep..too much research coupled with a killer dose of misinformation..

    Geez....What will you do when you find out that green beans are routinely fumigated as they cross our borders and those of many other countries?

    I'm wondering what the real agenda might be?
    A newbie, no introduction, no info in his profile, (two posts, both critical) who attempts to undermine an innovative piece of roasting equipment, appears from nowhere, no credentials, no science or explanation of reasons for the mischievous posts other than,

    "I am not sure that I like the idea of electromagnetics being so close to my beans let alone then consuming such beans."

    Why am I suspicious? he has all of the hallmarks of a number of other stirrers who have mysteriously come and gone recently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    A newbie, no introduction, no info in his profile, (two posts, both critical) who attempts to undermine an innovative piece of roasting equipment, appears from nowhere, no credentials, no science or explanation of reasons for the mischievous posts other than,

    "I am not sure that I like the idea of electromagnetics being so close to my beans let alone then consuming such beans."

    Why am I suspicious? he has all of the hallmarks of a number of other stirrers who have mysteriously come and gone recently.

    These people obviously need to adjust their daily grind


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    Easy gents... No agenda here. Forum...to open up a constructive conversation, if possible. Who isn't misinformed these days, hence a critical perspective of most things (in the beginning). If anyone has information regarding the induction tech. I would be super interested in hearing your opinion. Otherwise I will continue my own research. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoffiePlease View Post
    Easy gents... No agenda here. Forum...to open up a constructive conversation, if possible. Who isn't misinformed these days, hence a critical perspective of most things (in the beginning). If anyone has information regarding the induction tech. I would be super interested in hearing your opinion. Otherwise I will continue my own research. Cheers.
    This stuff isn't serious, 2muchcoffeeman is well known and used to be a site sponsor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    He has all of the hallmarks of a number of other stirrers who have mysteriously come and gone recently.


    Now wait just a damn minute, Jon! I'm still here, aren't I? Self-reform (along with a mighty good whack of willpower) is always possible.

    If you're interested, further research on this idea of spiritual evolution and personal transformation can be conducted by watching David Cronenberg's A History Of Violence (but not without a fine espresso or two).

    P.S. Can I borrow that marvellous pic for my avatar? Where have you been all my life?
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    So you're not worried about radio waves or wifi, nor radiation from visible light, or in general stepping outside for some vitamin D... but you're worried about microwaves? Buy the roaster. The coffee you drink will harm you more than the microwaves will.
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    Give the guy a break. For crying out loud. He's entitled to be skeptical.

    If KoffeePlease's concerns prove misguided, politely assuage him (preferably without being smarmy), and leave it at that. Let's move on.
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    I do worry about radio waves and wifi.Taken some steps to reduce this. I don't know what sort of harm comes from the IF waves of induction. This seems to be a higher level of radiation than our home wifi etc. although it seems TV and PC monitors are also emitting higher amounts these days. Not trying to knock the product. Still very interested. It looks awesome and friends report a fantastic bit of kit to play with.

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    I got on "good authority" that the sun posed our biggest radiation threat by a long way. The coffee, roasted "microwave style", will not be any more carcinogenic than any nice dark roast, you'd think.

    While my opinion is that the concern is of a mighty long bow, I can understand that people have these sorts of questions in their heads. They say when it come to safety: "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask."

    love the look of these roasters, by the way.

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    Ambrose seems to have it all worked out in this YouTube clip.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8wq_zF4nqc

    Or you could make up something similar to this simply at little cost.


    The bullet does look like a very neat and well engineered roaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    .................The coffee you drink will harm you more than the microwaves will.
    Yep. Better to die from coffee with a smile on your face.

    Besides , how many joggers do you see smiling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFM60 View Post
    Yep. Better to die from coffee with a smile on your face.

    Besides , how many joggers do you see smiling?
    Depends if you see them 10 minutes after recovery from that run. Endorphins are real yo :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoffiePlease View Post
    Hi. Looking to advance into the world of home roasting. Does anyone have thoughts or reservations on the Bullet due to its method of heating I.e. Induction as compared to regular electric or gas. I am not sure that I like the idea of electromagnetics being so close to my beans let alone then consuming such beans. I'm not a massive fan or user of the microwave for similar reasons.
    I am curious as to the source of this concern? Are you concerned about the effect of use of the induction heating mechanism on the user? Or on the beans?

    First up, agreed, in the WHO study you have posted, the effects bear further study. And high dosages have been been associated with potential biological damages. But you have also bypassed the section in the article that indicates that the dosages experienced by the general public are usually well below the safe dosages recommended by the relevant authorities. It is only exposure to medical grade devices or high powered devices where the risk increases.

    Secondly, if you are concerned about the fields created by induction cooking, what about the electromagnetic fields generated by microwaves, computer monitors? Or alternately, if talking about other frequencies, the EM fields from power lines or even your mobile phone? EM fields unfortunately are a fact of life in modern society. If it uses electricity, inevitably, there is an EM field associated with it.

    However, your original post suggests that your concern is not about the effect of the use of the induction technology on the user, but the use of the technology on the beans? All the studies indicate a direct biological effect on the individual user, either through burns, or changes in the electrical activity of the body/cells causing more chronic damage. That is the main risk of EM fields. What are your concerns regarding the effect of EM fields on the beans? The roaster is using the heating ability of the EM field to roast the beans. And as for biological activity, we are by nature cooking the beans and there is no live activity after the fact? So, what are you expecting regrading EM effects on your beans?

    It would be interesting to your KoffiePlease's concerns? Is it the effect of induction technology on the bean? Or on the end user of the appliance?

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    Thanks for your reply lupus. Main concern was for the user. I agree I wasn't clear on that point in my initial post, although initially I was hoping to get ideas on both. I get it that magnetic fields are all around and personally I am always being careful to limit these for myself and my young family. I guess with the use of induction in such a different way to what I've seen previously I had questions. I'd love to see the numbers in terms of EM radiation during use. I wonder where they would sit on a scale with other household items??

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