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Thread: Bullet or 7 Behmor 1600's??

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    Question Bullet or 7 Behmor 1600's??

    Hi All,

    It's been a while since I've posted something like this, but I have a real pickle...

    I'm looking to upgrade from my Behmor to something a little larger. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it apart from the batch size which is a tad small now for the amount of coffee I'm currently roasting.

    I guess the question is would it be worth the investment to upgrade to the Aillio Bullet (~$3790), or simply purchase a whole bunch of new Behmors (7 x $495 = $3465)?? Going purely on batch size the answer seems too easy, so I'm open to suggestions as to why the Bullet might win this...

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    Is timing and availability a factor? I was reading (in this subforum) it is a fairly long road to the Bullet. Maybe one of the larger second hand roasters would be a better comparison?

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    Also need to consider power requirements with all those machines potentially running at the same time. I don't have the figures handy but a standard electrical GPO circuit may not be suitable. Even if it is, what is the cost of running them?
    For that kind of budget, you'd might be able to pick up a 1kg drum roaster 2nd hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpratt View Post
    or simply purchase a whole bunch of new Behmors (7 x $495 = $3465)??
    This would also be hugely inefficient since you would have to multiply the losses for a single machine by the number you purchase. Whilst the losses for a single unit would be acceptable in a home situation, multiples of this for the batch sizes you are considering would be, to be blunt, very silly indeed...

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    I’ll be selling a second hand 1kg gas roaster for that sort of money come January. They seem to pop up semi regularly. I think they would be a better option

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    I agree on the 2nd hand 1kg or 2kg option being the best route. I think 7 Behmor's running at once would certainly be tripping your power board, unless you put them on different circuits. Just the sheer logistics of having 7 machines going would be nightmare.

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    How are you going to enjoy roasting doing that?
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    Perhaps you need to be more specific about your required quantity. If the Behmor batch size is only a "tad small", why not go for 2 Behmors? These use up to 1600W of power so you can't run them at the same time from the same 10amp power circuit. You could possibly start the one when the other hits the cooling cycle to cut down on total roasting time; potentially complete 3 roasts in ~1 hour.
    The problem with the Bullet is that no one knows when the Oz approved version will be available for sale. If you need a sizable quantity, then wait until Luke's 1KG roaster hits the market.

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    It is a little bit of a dilemma – I've been there multiple times.

    The Corretto option is still the best option IMHO for a non-commercial, larger scale roasting option. I've looked at the 1-2kg commercial options for my needs, but the complexities and money required at this size make it hardly worth it. I'm not planning to make any move until 5+kg roaster is on the cards.

    But for around $200 you can build a brand new corretto that will do 800g, 20min roasts back to back for as long as you can bear to roast for. Almost the same capacity as a 1kg roaster – fraction of the cost. And when you have it all nailed – comparable (though not exact) flavour profiles.

    Cheers Matt
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    Thanks for the responses all. You've certainly given me a lot to think about.

    As for the sizing/quantity of Behmors in the comparison I was merely looking for a like-for-like cost comparison. I don't think I'll actually be needing 7 of them anytime soon.

    But I'd certainly be looking in the ~1.5-2kg space, and find that on my Behmor this basically takes up most of my Sunday. I'm just thinking of the most cost effective solution for the same results in less time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesigningByCoffee View Post
    It is a little bit of a dilemma – I've been there multiple times.

    The Corretto option is still the best option IMHO for a non-commercial, larger scale roasting option. I've looked at the 1-2kg commercial options for my needs, but the complexities and money required at this size make it hardly worth it. I'm not planning to make any move until 5+kg roaster is on the cards.

    But for around $200 you can build a brand new corretto that will do 800g, 20min roasts back to back for as long as you can bear to roast for. Almost the same capacity as a 1kg roaster – fraction of the cost. And when you have it all nailed – comparable (though not exact) flavour profiles.

    Cheers Matt
    I agree with you on this Matt, bang for buck along with ease of use, the Corretto is pretty hard to beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpratt View Post

    But I'd certainly be looking in the ~1.5-2kg space, and find that on my Behmor this basically takes up most of my Sunday. I'm just thinking of the most cost effective solution for the same results in less time.
    1.5 KG in a Corretto will take approx 1 hour, I roast 725 grams per batch, each batch takes approx 25 minutes.
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    And, if you can score a Breville "Big Loaf" BM, 1.2Kg batches are a breeze...

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    I like the sound of this big loaf you speak of Mal

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    Yep, you see them up for sale now and again from all the usual suspects.
    I think the model is a BB380 - No longer made though so only used units available.

    We bought ours for its original purpose, and very good at that it was too but ultimately, a higher calling was in its destiny...
    I used to roast up 1.2Kg batches regularly when friends and family dropped in more often but these days, just me and youngest son so 750g batches does the job. Another advantage of the Big Loaf, is that it uses a horizontal bread-pan layout with two stirring blades in the bottom, rather than just the one that most have these days. The result of which means that bean agitation couldn't be better...

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    One thing to consider when roasting quantities of that level in a bread maker would be smoke control. I’d want some high quality extraction or ventilation cause as a recent study has shown smoke from roasting coffee is seriously bad for your health.

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    Good point Leroy regarding the smoke, I’ve got a seriously modified Big Loaf unit (see my thread “another computer controlled coretto”) that uses 2 heat guns and does 1.2kg max batches. It produces a lot of smoke so I’d roast in the garage near a window with a fan on high close to the roaster directing smoke and chaff straight out the window. I’d normally also need to open the roller door for extra ventilation. Nowadays I rarely use it since getting myself a proper drum roaster where the exhaust is vented straight outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    One thing to consider when roasting quantities of that level in a bread maker would be smoke control. I’d want some high quality extraction or ventilation cause as a recent study has shown smoke from roasting coffee is seriously bad for your health.
    Yep, agreed...

    I always roast outside sitting upstream of the Corretto, depending on the prevailing breeze at the time...

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    Are you thinking of going down a commercial / side project route? If yes, I would factor in what the roaster(s) will offer you in terms of learning. As someone in this situation I chose a basic 1kg drum roaster because I figure it is a step towards learning how to use bigger commercial roaster, instead of just increasing volume. Depends where you are planning on taking your roasting, but with those volumes I get the impression it may be more than roasting for your own use
    I may be a few months away from outgrowing my electric 1kg drum roaster and move to renting time on a proper commercial roaster. As I have discovered recently mine doesn't do well on naturals, so it will be going at a steep discount. Happy to chat about it and can also give you some advice on importing yourself if you want to go that route.

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    Nick what sorts of 1kg machine do you use? I agree on what you are saying, if you are looking to move forward with your roasting I think it is a great idea to move into a proper 1 or 2kg drum roaster for the sheer learning curve of the experience you would gain using one. It would be a stepping stone to moving into the commercial environment (assuming that is where you would like to go).

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    Hi Shewy, it's an electric and made by Dalian Amazon Coffee Co in China.
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