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Thread: New to roasting - looking for suggestions

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    New to roasting - looking for suggestions

    Hi guys,

    About to purchase a roaster and get stuck into it.

    Can anyone recommend beans to blend together for a first attempt? Ideally I'd like beans with a chocolatey/caramel taste, but I understand it may take time to get anything truly delicious.

    Would love to hear people's opinions on different beans and ratios as well as profiles.

    Thanks in advance.

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    For a first attempt, don't blend beans. There are enough variables without adding that to the mix. Something like the Peru available here is easy to roast, and at the right depth may give you what you want (see also the Colombia, India EH and Yirg Special Prep). If I was to buy 4 beans from BeanBay I would go the Peru, Eth Yirg SPec PRep, Sulawesi Blue and any of the Central Americans. But.....you'll avoid a lot of pain if your do your first few roasts on a single bean.
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    Thanks for your input. I figured I'd buy a few types, roast small quantities and try them on their own first to see what flavours I notice, then mix a few together to see how that changes the flavour.
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    I agree 100% with Barry.

    If after roasting you decide to blend some, do it post roast after trying them. I can nearly guarantee the first roast will be a disaster, but don't worry the first one always is Stick with it for a few roasts and you will learn heaps along the way.

    If you want something more chocolate caramel try the Columbian Volcan Geleras, Peru or the Indian Elephant hills. Stick away from the Ehtiopian's - but they are truly delicious if you like fruity flavours.

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    Yeah I'm thinking along those lines also. Out of curiosity, if I blend two or three types post roast and they are roasted differently, does that affect grind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esky View Post
    Yeah I'm thinking along those lines also. Out of curiosity, if I blend two or three types post roast and they are roasted differently, does that affect grind?
    It might. Depends on what beans are in the blend but you adjust the grinder to get a good shot, not depending on what beans are used.
    Concentrate initially on roasting a single easy to roast bean to learn the roasting process and decide on what depth of roast you prefer. Darker roasts are likely to produce the chocolate /caramel flavour you like.

    How are you going to brew your coffee? Espresso machine?
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    Yeah I've already established I like medium to dark roasts so I think that's where I'll be aiming.

    Espresso machine always, mostly with milk.

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    If you drink mostly espresso with milk and prefer dark roasts you will want to get close to second crack. Beans during roast go through multiple stages but most notably first and second crack. Look up a couple of youtube videos to get to know the difference but in a nutshell first crack sounds like a nice loud pop like a twig snapping and second crack like rice bubbles in milk.

    With practice you can repeat roasts and get them close to second crack which will give you a darker roast perfect for milk and give the chocolatey notes. It's important to understand the chocolate/caramel notes occur when the sugars in the beans change and 'caramelize'. But there is a fine line between cocoa bomb and drinking liquid ash if you aren't careful!

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    Thanks for your post mate. You've confirmed a lot that I have read. I'm about to purchase a gene cafe cbd-101 and from what I hear they are very quiet, making hearing first and second crack quite hard. Hoping I can hear it, but I'll be aiming for just shy of second crack nonetheless. Might invest in an amplifier that I can set up close to the machine on the exhaust side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esky View Post
    Thanks for your post mate. You've confirmed a lot that I have read. I'm about to purchase a gene cafe cbd-101 and from what I hear they are very quiet, making hearing first and second crack quite hard. Hoping I can hear it, but I'll be aiming for just shy of second crack nonetheless. Might invest in an amplifier that I can set up close to the machine on the exhaust side.

    You won't have a problem hearing first crack on the Gene. You will hear 2nd crack, but perhaps a bit later than you like. But....you should notice an increase in smoke coming from the top of the chaff collector about 20 seconds before second crack.
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    Hi Esky
    not sure if you looked at the Behmor as plenty of happy users on here. Not saying the gene is bad at all as never used one but loved all the support on here with the Behmor, can add heatsnobs to measure temps if you want. came with free greens to get started plus a small donation to faircrack. I was sold and still have 40 odd roasts in
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    I have looked at the Behmor and I can see it's rated highly, I'm just put off by the size of the machine. I have little room so a gene cafe better suits me. The other thing I was worried about was the lack of viewing window on the Behmor. The gene cafe also just seems like a better finished product. The Behmor is half the price though so I am still considering it.

    Cheers.

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    There is not much size difference. Gene, with chaff collector , is wider. But smaller in other dimensions.

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    Hi! I've been a long term lurker and green bean buyer haha..
    Anyway, it would be worth making a "bean cooler" in my opinion. The behmor is nice but the cooling cycle does not dump the heat of the beans nearly quickly enough to stop the roast and I find that the indoor temperature made an excessive difference to this.

    I agree it's a hard choice between behmor and others but it is cheaper. And in all seriousness, it isn't a half bad product, ugly as it may be. Function > form!

    Before I made it, a "recipe" that worked fine in winter would result in crispy blackness in the peak of summer. Bean cooler just takes away one more variable.

    https://coffeesnobs.com.au/home-roas...ep-step-3.html

    Some good ideas here. I suggest trying to find a piece of plumbing equipment that fits snugly over the end of your vacuum cleaner as a fan source if you aren't keen on hacking up a fan.

    As far as bean recommendations, Yirgy 100%! I recently tried the Colombian Galeras and can confirm, it is chocolatey. I will say though that it needs longer than most coffees to rest, usually I rest beans about a week but the Galeras was still pretty acidic at that point.
    May not be a good started bean if you're impatiently wanting to get into it

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