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    Hi,

    Since my 6+ year old small Breville espresso machine is on its last legs, over the weekend I became the proud owner of a new Sunbeam EM5900. *

    I had been eyeing off the EM6900 and its successor the EM6910, highly recommended *by my local coffee guy, for over a year. * *

    The 5900 appears very similar and in many ways the little brother of the 6910. * So when I saw it on sale at a very good price I couldnt resist. *

    After 2 days and about 12 coffees my initial impressions were very good. *My main comparisons to the 69xx and general comments:
    • Slightly smaller overall size and water tank size
    • Similar heavy weight and solid feel as the 6910 (Very heavy solid group handle!)
    • 5900 has only one thermoblock, meaning you cant pull espresso and steam milk at the same time. *Not a big deal for me.
    • The 5900 group handle takes smaller diameter filter baskets (same diameter as my old Breville, whereas the 6910 uses full commercial size baskets)
    • The group head has a crema enhancing thing - a black plastic insert which directs the flow through a couple of channels. *Im not sure about this - it is attached with a screw so looks removable.
    • Great steam pressure, 15 bar pump so probably same as 6910 (Lots better than my old one)
    • No separate hot water spout, there is a hot water function but it uses the steam wand
    • Pressurised filter baskets (only one small hole underneath) which I havent seen before.
    • Adjustable steam and water temperatures like the 6910.


    Overall, it gives me a really nice coffee, either just an espresso shot or a milky coffee. *Basically I saw this as a way to get essentially the same coffee as the 6910, albeit in a machine without as many bells and whistles, for less than half the price. * *

    I do have a few questions about it:

    1. *Whats with the pressurised baskets - I might try using the normal basket from the old Breville to see what happens?

    2. *Does the plastic thing in the group handle actually do anything for the crema or should I try taking it out?

    3. *Tending to get sloppy, wet grounds in the basket after pulling a shot, is this normal with the pressurised basket?

    Cheers all
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    The pressurized basket ensures you get crema from any beans, any grind and any tamp. It doesnt ensure a decent cup :(

    The plastic thing does nothing except gather crud underneath where you cant see it but where it can and does affect the taste of the coffee >:(

    Definitely take it out.

    I recommend you sign up for the free Sunbeam training course which is machine specific. You will learn how to get the best out of your setup. They will be using the Sunbeam EM0480 grinder - is that what you are using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5D7A7C7B760F0 link=1246845316/1#1 date=1246849900
    The plastic thing does nothing except gather crud underneath where you cant see it but where it can and does affect the taste of the coffeeAngry
    Its actually designed so that the espresso doesnt come in contact with cold metal if the PF isnt preheated.


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    Thats true Gavin, but what CS doesnt preheat the group handle 8-)

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    Thanks, I didnt know there was free machine specific training. Ive got a bit of experience and actually did a Di Bella coffee course a while back so have some idea of what Im aiming at. Would be good to hear Sunbeams point of view though.

    I have a coffee specialist and roastery literally at the end of my street so tend to buy freshly roasted and pre-ground beans from him. (small quantities, regular intervals).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D7F7A781B0 link=1246845316/4#4 date=1246855105
    Thanks, I didnt know there was free machine specific training. *Ive got a bit of experience and actually did a Di Bella coffee course a while back so have some idea of what Im aiming at. *Would be good to hear Sunbeams point of view though.

    I have a coffee specialist and roastery literally at the end of my street so tend to buy freshly roasted and pre-ground beans from him. * (small quantities, regular intervals). *

    Regards
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    The other good thing is that teh EM5900 uses tapered lugs on the gh and should not cause teh same issue with the group collar getting so worn...

    Unless the Di Bella course focused on home machines and the EM69xx series some of the training as to the management of the machine may be at odds...

    Once you understand the quirks of you machine... Then you get to tweek and change the methods to suit the outcome.

    Enjoy the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 60626765060 link=1246845316/4#4 date=1246855105
    I have a coffee specialist and roastery literally at the end of my street so tend to buy freshly roasted and pre-ground beans from him. (small quantities, regular intervals).
    Even if they were next door and you bought enough for one shot everytime you needed to brew, itll be crap by the time you hit the brew switch.

    Best to pick up a grinder and grind fresh beans when you need it.

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    Interesting discovery, one of the baskets from my old Breville Bar Italia fits the handle on the 5900. It came with a 1-2 shot basket and a 2-4 shot basket. The 2-4 is way too deep but the 1-2 fits in nicely and is non-pressurised.

    Looks like the filter holes are a bit larger on the Breville basket than on the new Sunbeam though. Tried one shot and came out ok - more trial and error to come!

    Francis

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    how deap is the 1-2 cup basket, is it similar to the 2 cup basket that came with your new machine. 1-2 baskets generally are less than impressive and it better to pack them away somewhere and forget about them.

    If you can save up and get yourself a 0450-0480 grinder or better you will notice a big jump in quality of your shots. it will enhance hugely your coffee.
    ground coffee begins to go stale after 3 minutes
    roaster beans after 3 weeks
    and green beans after 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D7F7A781B0 link=1246845316/0#0 date=1246845316
    So when I saw it on sale at a very good price I couldnt resist.
    Sounds good - what was the special price?
    Anything get thrown in like a group head brush ??

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    Is there a noticeable gap between the froth generated by the 5900 vs the 6910? Am in the same boat as many looking for a beginner coffee machine in the sub-$600/700 range and the 6910 and the 5900 look to be the two front runners for now (assuming I dont give in and invest in a Silvia). Anyone have impressions on approximate life-spans of these machines?

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    6910: My guess based on observations is about 5 years if the electronics hold out and they are cleaned and used properly.

    AM may have an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 063A273C363720353D36520 link=1246845316/11#11 date=1249369603
    6910: My guess based on observations is about 5 years if the electronics hold out and they are cleaned and used properly.

    AM may have an opinion.
    Now thats a bit forward of ya *;) *

    TG, I would support your observations and experience...


    Quote Originally Posted by 16373728520 link=1246845316/10#10 date=1249365062
    Is there a noticeable gap between the froth generated by the 5900 vs the 6910? *Am in the same boat as many looking for a beginner coffee machine in the sub-$600/700 range and the 6910 and the 5900 look to be the two front runners for now (assuming I dont give in and invest in a Silvia). *Anyone have impressions on approximate life-spans of these machines?
    The 5900;

    1: Does not have separate thermoblocks for Steam and the Group.

    2: The group is different.. Can not remember off teh top of my head.. More like a Giggia

    3: Things are a little tighter in teh back - stuff squashed in, thus not much working space if needed.

    4: The group head does not have stepped lugs - thus should not suffer the same level of problems with teh collar... *It will not be immune if treated incorrectly...


    While I never did use lots of hot water on teh 6910... The two thermo blocks did assist greatly with steaming and making coffee at teh same time and it ment no cold flushing and or waiting for the temp to come down, after steaming.


    For me... If the EM6910 is cleaned / used properly and teamed with a suitable grinder; it will out perform the EM5900. *They should last about the same depending on maintenance and the level of TLC / Abuse.

    The EM5900 has only the non stepped lugs going for it as I can see. *Thus would be my second choice in a pinch...

    If ya looking at $600 to $750... See Talk Coffee etc as I understand they have a good special on another system... *It should hold its value and less likley to suffer as many problems....

    However they all require TLC.



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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    Thanks all for the advice - has been very helpful! Absolutely love this website.

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    for that price $600-750 there are lots of different options on machines some better some worse. Check out some of the sponsors and go play with some.
    IMPORTANT: Do you have a grinder??
    Factor a grinder in too, you need a grinder!! This has a HUGE impact on your shots more than spending more $$ on a expresso machine!!
    This is vital!!

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    Hello everyone!

    This is my first post so hello to all you coffee lovers! I have been reading your threads with great interested and bought myself an entry level machine finally! I saw this deal in a Retravision brochure and thought it was a good deal. For $399 I got:

    Sunbeam EM5900 machine
    Sunbeam EM0450 grinder

    So now comes the fun of making some coffee! I will let you all know how I go. I have only made one shot so far because I just havent had enough time to play with it, but it is quite easy to use and easy to clean so far. If anyone wants to know any questions please ask me!

    Nathan.

    PS I am a regular on the Australian Ford Forum so if anyone wants to know anything about cars please ask me! :)

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    This machine is basically a restyled 5800. I used to own one of those, not bad if you learn its tricks and feed it freshly ground fresh beans.

    Quote Originally Posted by 686A6F6D0E0 link=1246845316/0#0 date=1246845316
    3.Tending to get sloppy, wet grounds in the basket after pulling a shot, is this normal with the pressurised basket?
    This is most likely due to the lack of a 3-way valve to dump the pressure when you finish a shot. Try leaving the portafilter in place til after you steam your milk. This will dry it out a bit.

    Rip the plastic out of the portafilter, preheat the PF properly.

    get (or make) some unpressurised baskets, and grind your beans to suit.

    learn to flush it a lot to heat everything up properly.

    leave the steam on for about a minute before you actually start steaming milk. (eg turn on steam before you go to the fridge and get your jug) This will get it nice and dry (as much as it can be). Throw the foam enhancer in the bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3F392222352E23354C0 link=1246845316/15#15 date=1250472507
    Hello everyone!

    This is my first post so hello to all you coffee lovers! I have been reading your threads with great interested and bought myself an entry level machine finally! I saw this deal in a Retravision brochure and thought it was a good deal. For $399 I got:

    Sunbeam EM5900 machine
    Sunbeam EM0450 grinder

    So now comes the fun of making some coffee! I will let you all know how I go. I have only made one shot so far because I just havent had enough time to play with it, but it is quite easy to use and easy to clean so far. If anyone wants to know any questions please ask me!

    Nathan.

    PS I am a regular on the Australian Ford Forum so if anyone wants to know anything about cars please ask me! :)
    Considering the RRP of the machine alone is $499 then this sounds like a bargain indeed! Welcome to the site.

    Did you get a Sunbeam Barista course thrown in? I did one on Saturday and although I didnt personally learn a lot I didnt already know, I would certainly recommend it to someone just starting out.

    You probably also want to get yourself a double unpressurised basket, I assume it comes with only pressurised versions.

    Good luck!

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    Thanks Caffeine Junky :)

    I thought it was a good deal yes.

    I am unsure about the course because their was nothing in the box stating it, but on the Retravision brochure it says it? I would like to go to it in Brisbane but I am unsure if I am eligible. Would will the difference be if I get a double unpressurised basket be? Any info would be great! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A5C4747504B4650290 link=1246845316/18#18 date=1250478339
    Thanks Caffeine Junky :)

    I thought it was a good deal yes.

    I am unsure about the course because their was nothing in the box stating it, but on the Retravision brochure it says it? I would like to go to it in Brisbane but I am unsure if I am eligible. Would will the difference be if I get a double unpressurised basket be? Any info would be great! :)
    You can just go to the Sunbeam website & click on Sunbeam Coffee School. When you book it will ask you to enter your invoice number.

    There is plenty of information on this and other sites regarding pressurised versus unpressurised baskets. Essentially, you use pressurised baskets when brewing with pre-ground coffee. When grinding fresh you use the unpressurised baskets.

    Pressurised baskets usually only have 1 hole at the bottom which forces coffee out under pressure, creating the appearance of crema. Real crema is formed from the extracts of freshly roasted & ground beans...the onlypressure should be that formed by the puck of coffee in the basket.

    Most people on this site never use their single baskets. Because the volume of coffee in a single is much smaller, the extraction profile is completely different. Its difficult (but possible) to get a consistenly good shot from a single basket.

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    Oh very interesting thank you for the information :)

    I will be hunting for an unpressurised basket then! I am unsure where I will find one in my area though, does anyone know where I could find one on the Sunshine Coast or Brisbane? Or are they available to order on the web? Is the a certain part number I look for?

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    Ok, I have found a supplier on the coast so that is good news, now I just need to find out a part number, after looking around I think it is part #0907163 and #0925592 from a Krups Gusto? What do you guys think, is that right?

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    Not sure myself sorry sunny. I guess the most obvious thing to check is if they are the same diameter. Even if they are, this certainly doesnt guarantee a fit.

    Are you planning to order or buy in person? If option 2, I would take your group handle with you to check the fit.

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    No worries Caffeine Junky,

    I may be able to go in in person since they are only 15mins away so I shall take my pf in with me and check it. From what I can see those part numbers fit into a EM5800 and apprentley my machine is very similar to the 5800 so it should be all good :) I am loving the machine, it has been very easy to use.

    If anyone wants to know, when I used the single basket for the first time the puck was very runny and that was on grind level 12 I think. So the next few shots I went a grind 14-15 and used the double shot. The puck was much better, quite solid and dry. The coffee tasted much better too, so I dont think I wil be using the single basket again, thanks to Caffeine Junkys info. Very happy :) Oh and I go to the Sunbeam course this Saturday! Cant wait!

    Quote Originally Posted by 70717B687673691A0 link=1246845316/22#22 date=1250492871
    Not sure myself sorry sunny. *I guess the most obvious thing to check is if they are the same diameter. *Even if they are, this certainly doesnt guarantee a fit.

    Are you planning to order or buy in person? *If option 2, I would take your group handle with you to check the fit.

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    Hi all just an update. I went to the Sunbeam course last week and it was pretty fun. I did know a bit compared to the "older" folk there, but the milk texturing was very good to see and understand how to do properly. I do have a question, I was using my machine and the shots it was pulling were a lot thicker and darker then what I have been doing at home. I guess there are many factors on why this is. I am guessing it is:

    1. The machine has been on for a while so it has been well heated
    2. The beans they use (unsure on what they used, I cant remember!)
    3. How the coffee is tampered
    4. The grind

    I am using beans from a local roaster on the coast, which where only roasted a few days ago. Does it depend on what blend it is to how dark the shot will look?

    Anyway all on all I have been having a great time with the machine making better the cafe coffee for the family!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A2C3737203B3620590 link=1246845316/24#24 date=1251507096
    Hi all just an update. I went to the Sunbeam course last week and it was pretty fun. I did know a bit compared to the "older" folk there, but the milk texturing was very good to see and understand how to do properly. I do have a question, I was using my machine and the shots it was pulling were a lot thicker and darker then what I have been doing at home. I guess there are many factors on why this is. I am guessing it is:

    1. The machine has been on for a while so it has been well heated
    2. The beans they use (unsure on what they used, I cant remember!)
    3. How the coffee is tampered
    4. The grind


    I am using beans from a local roaster on the coast, which where only roasted a few days ago. Does it depend on what blend it is to how dark the shot will look?

    Anyway all on all I have been having a great time with the machine making better the cafe coffee for the family!

    With out knowing more.. Sight / smell / taste and all the finer details as to what you were using etc etc etc

    2, 3 and 4 are the main things that would account for that.. Further more; these 3 processes are interlinked and interdependent upon each other...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A2B21322C2933400 link=1246845316/22#22 date=1250492871
    Not sure myself sorry sunny. *I guess the most obvious thing to check is if they are the same diameter. *Even if they are, this certainly doesnt guarantee a fit.

    Are you planning to order or buy in person? *If option 2, I would take your group handle with you to check the fit.
    I just have a question about this, I went in and saw the guy who could supply me with an unpressurised basket, but he was saying I shouldnt bother with it? What do others think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 466077686F30010 link=1246845316/2#2 date=1246852253
    Quote Originally Posted by 5D7A7C7B760F0 link=1246845316/1#1 date=1246849900
    The plastic thing does nothing except gather crud underneath where you cant see it but where it can and does affect the taste of the coffeeAngry
    Its actually designed so that the espresso doesnt come in contact with cold metal if the PF isnt preheated.
    On this too, I removed the plastic, but if you do this, the shot will come out of the screw hole that attaches the plastic to the group handle. So others out there, dont do this, leave it attached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A5C4747504B4650290 link=1246845316/26#26 date=1251688800
    I just have a question about this, I went in and saw the guy who could supply me with an unpressurised basket, but he was saying I shouldnt bother with it? What do others think? *
    I would ask him to explain WHY you shouldnt bother with it.
    I can certainly give you a good reason why you should bother with it.

    It comes down to this:
    A pressurised basket is designed to produce fake crema. To essentially force the coffee through a small space and swish up some light brown froth. It will do it with old and stale beans and it will make the resulting coffee look kind of right. But it cannot make it taste right.

    A non-pressurised basket will produce real crema. It will allow you to better judge things like the quality of the beans/grind/pour etc. And most importantly, taste.

    Brett.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 545346505D4B6D030B0B0B320 link=1246845316/28#28 date=1251689323
    Quote Originally Posted by 5A5C4747504B4650290 link=1246845316/26#26 date=1251688800
    I just have a question about this, I went in and saw the guy who could supply me with an unpressurised basket, but he was saying I shouldnt bother with it? What do others think? *
    I would ask him to explain WHY you shouldnt bother with it.
    I can certainly give you a good reason why you should bother with it.

    It comes down to this:
    A pressurised basket is designed to produce fake crema. To essentially force the coffee through a small space and swish up some light brown froth. It will do it with old and stale beans and it will make the resulting coffee look kind of right. But it cannot make it taste right.

    A non-pressurised basket will produce real crema. It will allow you to better judge things like the quality of the beans/grind/pour etc. And most importantly, taste.

    Brett.
    Thanks for the info Brett, I appriciate it. From what I have been reading it would be a worth while investment. I just think he didnt want to order it for me and couldnt be bothered!

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    Hi all,

    I am wondering what you guys think about this, I have noticed my machine hasnt been pulling shot like the exact machine and grinder I used at the coffee school. I am usually the same grind settings and tamping the same too. And the beans are similar. The shot is still way too fast and blonding too early. It still tastes nice, but I am sure something is going wrong. It seems my grind settings are not changing? I am sure it isnt the coffee machine, and I am thinkint it may be the grinder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D7B6060776C61770E0 link=1246845316/30#30 date=1251945198
    Hi all,

    I am wondering what you guys think about this, I have noticed my machine hasnt been pulling shot like the exact machine and grinder I used at the coffee school. I am usually the same grind settings and tamping the same too. And the beans are similar. The shot is still way too fast and blonding too early. It still tastes nice, but I am sure something is going wrong. It seems my grind settings are not changing? I am sure it isnt the coffee machine, and I am thinkint it may be the grinder?
    The settings are an indicator.. No two units will produce the same grind at teh same settings..

    Also Similar is not the same and this will also have an impact..

    In the first instance, change ya grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5B5D4646514A4751280 link=1246845316/30#30 date=1251945198
    Hi all,

    I am wondering what you guys think about this, I have noticed my machine hasnt been pulling shot like the exact machine and grinder I used at the coffee school. I am usually the same grind settings and tamping the same too. And the beans are similar. The shot is still way too fast and blonding too early. It still tastes nice, but I am sure something is going wrong. It seems my grind settings are not changing? I am sure it isnt the coffee machine, and I am thinkint it may be the grinder?
    Ok, an update!

    I rang Sunbeam on my grinder issue and they sent me a letter with instructions and a few thin washers attached. I added only one washer and my grind is greatly improved!! At about 10 or so it is doing a 100% better job! Amazing how such a small thing can change things! I am now getting a much better shot and the right speed! Excellent!

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    Re: New Sunbeam EM5900 - initial impressions

    Hi sunnyboy,

    just wonderingi f your sunbeam EM5900 is still doing great. Thinking to buy it, but not sure. Thanks



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