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    Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

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    Hello all!

    This is my first post, and Im eager to hear any advice from fellow and more experienced snobs!

    Im looking to buy a present and my budget is around $400ish. From previous posts the consensus seems to me to be that the grinder is more important. People also seem to have good things to say about Sunbeam (as far as cheapie-stuff goes!)

    Im wondering if I could get a Sunbeam EM0480 grinder and a cheaper Espresso Machine (like the EM3800 or 3600)? Will that work? They love Lattes so milk is a priority, and i cant just go for plunger.

    I cant afford the EM6910, although it seems to be everyones favorite!

    If anyone has any other recommendations just let me know!

    Thanks so much! :)

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    Re: Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 30332B3E3B2121520 link=1262595956/0#0 date=1262595956
    Hello all!

    This is my first post, and Im eager to hear any advice from fellow and more experienced snobs!

    Im looking to buy a present and my budget is around $400ish. From previous posts the consensus seems to me to be that the grinder is more important. People also seem to have good things to say about Sunbeam (as far as cheapie-stuff goes!)

    Im wondering if I could get a Sunbeam EM0480 grinder and a cheaper Espresso Machine (like the EM3800 or 3600)? Will that work? They love Lattes so milk is a priority, and i cant just go for plunger.

    I cant afford the EM6910, although it seems to be everyones favorite!

    If anyone has any other recommendations just let me know!

    Thanks so much! :)
    The Em0480 is a reasonable entry level Grinder...

    As to the EM3800 and EM3600 - Just gave my modified EM3600 away... *Can make a fair coffee or two... But any more than two in a short time frame ... NA...

    Ya need to mod with a Krups basket and play... Then a good coffee can be had.

    Use teh CS search feature and you can find and read all about the units your are interested in..

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1257241858

    Then... Do some extra reading about coffee here;

    1: http://home.surewest.net/frcn/Coffee/Coffee.html

    2: http://www.coffeegeek.com/guides/howtobuyanespressomachine

    3: http://www.home-barista.com/espresso-guide.html

    Good Coffee is a great road but full of pot holes, if ya not looking...

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    Re: Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 6360786D687272010 link=1262595956/0#0 date=1262595956
    If anyone has any other recommendations just let me know!

    Thanks so much!
    I suggest you contact
    Melbourne - Talk Coffee
    Sydney - Cuppacoffee

    And get yourself a Lelit Combi
    Its your best value for money combination machine and grinder



    KK

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    Re: Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B5F565655556F7B5F435D5F300 link=1262595956/2#2 date=1262646784
    And get yourself a Lelit Combi
    Its your best value for money combination machine and grinder
    I completely agree with you KK but its over double Krissys budget.

    Krissy the EM0480 is a good grinder for the price. *The only other one perhaps you could consider is the EM0450, same internals but cheaper exterior.

    As for the machine, with your budget all you could consider are machines with aluminium thermoblocks and pressurised baskets. *These include Sunbeam 4800/3800/3600, Breville Venezia & Roma, and some of the lower end Krups/Gaggia machines.

    As mentioned they can produce a decent enough cup but you would need to get an unpressurised basket to get the most of out of them. *They are all supplied with pressurised baskets which are designed to be used with stale pre-ground coffee. *

    Also as mentioned, if youre making anything more than 2 standard size milk drinks, it will be quite slow.

    My brother has had his Sunbeam 4800 since I gave it to him as a wedding present 8 years ago. *Its used nearly daily and still going strong.

    EDIT: The Sunbeam Ristretto is an inexpensive boiler machine but everything else Ive said still applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4342485B45405A290 link=1262595956/3#3 date=1263038808
    My brother has had his Sunbeam 4800 since I gave it to him as a wedding present 8 years ago.
    Like so many things, they dont make em like they use to! ;)


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    Re: Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 60637B6E6B7171020 link=1262595956/0#0 date=1262595956
    Im looking to buy a present and my budget is around $400ish. *
    Hi Krissy,

    I think you can still pick up a Breville Ikon at the Breville factory shops, these are SS boiler machines in your price range although they run pressurized baskets in standard form. I have not used this machine but others have expressed positive sentiments about them which is rare on this forum for an appliance grade product and the conversion to unpressurised basket is reasonably straightforward (requires handy person skill level or purchase of additional bits).
    Others have suggested that the Breville BCG450 Coffee and Spice grinder can grind fine enough for espresso, although I have not used one, about $80 at the factory shops, with the two Sunbeams EMO 480 and EMO 450 a newbie should be able get off to a good start on the right road. Although almost certainly the grinder will require a tweak (handy person skill level required).
    But if you were talking secondhand then certain online auction sites could deliver a real grinder and a better espresso machine within your budget.
    Good Luck
    Lindsay
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    Re: Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F4A4D4750425A5142230 link=1262595956/5#5 date=1263078301
    Others have suggested that the Breville BCG450 Coffee and Spice grinder can grind fine enough for espresso
    Others are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F4A4D4750425A5142230 link=1262595956/5#5 date=1263078301
    the two Sunbeams EMO 480 and EMO 450 a newbie should be able get off to a good start on the right road.
    Correct and the 0450 is the cheaper of the two; I had one.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F4A4D4750425A5142230 link=1262595956/5#5 date=1263078301
    Although almost certainly the grinder will require a tweak (handy person skill level required).
    Not sure which grinder you meant here but tweaking the Breville wont help and the Sunbeams dont need tweaking.

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    Re: Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

    Hi TG,

    How many Sunbeam grinders do you know of, that did not require shimming out of the box?

    So you have first hand knowledge of the BCG450 Coffee and Spice grinder, with similar burrs to the Sunbeam units (from memory and hearsay again). I thought Id read that this unit can also be shimmed but if you know it cannot be shimmed into a satisfactory grind range for espresso, then I am wrong and will eat my words.
    Perhaps it has more damming faults?
    I own a shimmed EMO 450 also and find it adequate, noisy and messy, suits me quite well.

    Lindsay
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0F0A0D0710021A1102630 link=1262595956/7#7 date=1263083393
    Hi TG,

    How many Sunbeam grinders do you know of, that did not require shimming out of the box?
    One for sure (mine) but that was a few years ago when the QC appears to have been of a higher standard.
    Also, if you care to do some research youll surely find approximately when this shimming issue came to light and can work out how long that was after the 0450s/0480 first went on the market.
    IMO the QC standard definitely dropped in later production runs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F0A0D0710021A1102630 link=1262595956/7#7 date=1263083393
    I own a shimmed EMO 450 also and find it adequate, noisy and messy, suits me quite well.
    Ive recently sold mine but it also was noisy and messy but adequate.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F0A0D0710021A1102630 link=1262595956/7#7 date=1263083393
    So you have first hand knowledge of the BCG450 Coffee and Spice grinder, with similar burrs to the Sunbeam units (from memory and hearsay again). I thought Id read that this unit can also be shimmed but if you know it cannot be shimmed into a satisfactory grind range for espresso, then I am wrong and will eat my words.
    No I dont have first hand expereince.
    However I would have thought that asking Krissy to buy a grinder that wont do the job straight out of the box is less than an ideal answer.
    Remember its supposed to be a present.

    How far a stretch would it be to also suggest she buy a cheap second hand commercial unit and refurbish it herself? Too far I think.

    If Krissy is interested in modding the Breville, here is a good post with all the details and pictures, including a pdf file with instructions.
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1204007644

    However, in light of the original request, including the fact its to be a gift, I think my answer was "fit for purpose".



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    Hi TG,

    Sorry about the toes but Im glad to hear that the Sunbeam QC issues are solved and dont require shimming out of the box to be espresso grade.

    Quote Originally Posted by 407C617A707166737B70140 link=1262595956/8#8 date=1263087143
    How far a stretch would it be to also suggest she buy a cheap second hand commercial unit and refurbish it herself? Too far I think.
    Please reread my original lament?

    "But if you were talking secondhand then certain online auction sites could deliver a real grinder and a better espresso machine within your budget."

    Was Krissys gift intended for herself, an intimate or another?

    Thank you for the link, Ill try and get my head into it, so any future naive attempts to be helpful are more authoritative.

    Actually I think if the gift is for another, Krissy may be better off buying a book.

    Lindsay




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    Re: Grinder versus Grinder and Roaster

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D787F756270686370110 link=1262595956/9#9 date=1263108975
    "But if you were talking secondhand then certain online auction sites could deliver a real grinder and a better espresso machine within your budget."
    Sorry - I missed that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D787F756270686370110 link=1262595956/9#9 date=1263108975
    Im glad to hear that the Sunbeam QC issues are solved and dont require shimming out of the box to be espresso grade.
    Read my reply again; but in a nutshell, the QC was better a few years ago; now its woeful.



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