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    HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi,

    I have the following equipment and cant seem to get a slow pour.

    Breville 800ES
    Breville BCG450 (modified for finer grind)
    Breville ESP4/51 1-2 cup unpressurised basket

    I dont know what Im doing wrong but my shots still seem too fast and watery. After it primes 3 times and starts to pour, my 30ml shot is complete in a matter of few seconds.
    After about 7-8seconds the liquid starts to go white :(

    What am I doing wrong? any tips to improve my pour??

    By the way Im using the crap spoon/tamper atm unfortunately.

    I dont know how much to dose and how hard to tamp and how fine to grind. Please help.

    Cheers

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    few qs for you.

    1. what beans and where did you get them.
    2. can you grind them fine enough to "choke" the machine?
    3. are you dosing and tamping to just below the shower screen. search for 5 cent rule here at cs

    look around the house for something to tamp with, like a tin or canister or something thats fits the GH well....



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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    First check dose.
    The top of the dry puck should be only just lower than the shower screen to begin with and then expand when wet to press against it.
    The 800es has a convex shower screen so the 5c piece test doesnt work very well.
    The used puck should have a slight impression of the shower screen in it.
    I dont use this machine any more but with my 6910 I sometimes check my tamper height in the basket after the pour (if Im happy with the impression) to give me an idea how high to dose
    Once your happy with the dose try grinding finer for a slower pour or coarser for a shorter pour.
    If you still cant get a decent pour your grinder may have some issues.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    A crap tamper wont help and neither will a BCG450.
    It remains to be seen if your grinder can now grind fine enough after the modification.

    Grind as fine as the grinder will go and put as much coffee into the basket that will allow you to lock the handle in with a 5 cent piece on the top that barely leaves an indent after you remove it to check the level.

    When youve done that try pour a shot and see what happens.
    If you dont choke the machine and still get a fast pour its the grinder.

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Ok now Ive tried again with a softer tamp.

    Pour was much much slower than before but it doesnt look thick(creamy)

    I havent tried the 5cent test. The 800ES GH is not flat so does this still work??

    I havent tried to choke the machine yet.


    This is my first home machine and I just went to the local super and got a small bag of "Harris" premium beans cuz it was on sale :-[ :-[
    I know I know.....

    Where can I get good coffee?
    Are the more expensive coffee beans really taste better or can I get reasonably priced coffee that taste good locally?

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    well fresh beans from a roaster are the way to go, those harris beans could be years old and stale.......

    grind them finer, just keep going finer but the stale beans are having a massive impact...

    where are you located?


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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    1. Stale beans wont give good coffee no matter what you do. Supermarket beans are almost always stale.

    2. The 5 cent test is a good place to start no matter what espresso machine you have.

    3. What TG said.

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E626B66666F030 link=1266381155/5#5 date=1266391935
    well fresh beans from a roaster are the way to go, those harris beans could be years old and stale.......

    grind them finer, just keep going finer but the stale beans are having a massive impact...

    where are you located?
    Im in Melbourne.

    With fresh beans, where and how do you store them?
    Ive put the remaining beans in an airtight container and left it inside the pantry. I doubt the container is 100% air tight tough.

    Is it better to buy coffee beans that have a oily coating/texture cuz the one I got wasnt wet out of the bag. It was dry?

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Oily can mean a dark roast or aging beans.
    Personally I prefer mine not too dark.
    Yours were dry because they are stale and any oil that came out is long gone.

    The main problem you have is stale beans.
    Never buy coffee beans from a supermarket.

    How you are storing them for now will do but when you get fresh beans they should come in a valved bag.
    Keep them in that bag and in the pantry and they should last for about 3 to 4 weeks after they were roasted.

    You are lucky you are in Melbourne because there are so many places to get freshly roasted coffee beans.

    Try the sponsor list on the left of the screen to find one close to you.

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E2924313C5D0 link=1266381155/4#4 date=1266391347
    I havent tried the 5cent test.The 800ES GH is not flat so does this still work??
    (You mean Shower Screen)
    and
    Not very well

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5B40495F5C51280 link=1266381155/9#9 date=1266437296
    (You mean Shower Screen)
    and
    Not very well
    Whichd be why the 5c always fails miserably for me. ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6B574A515B5A4D58505B3F0 link=1266381155/8#8 date=1266402690
    Oily can mean a dark roast or aging beans.
    Personally I prefer mine not too dark.
    Yours were dry because they are stale and any oil that came out is long gone.

    The main problem you have is stale beans.
    Never buy coffee beans from a supermarket.

    How you are storing them for now will do but when you get fresh beans they should come in a valved bag.
    Keep them in that bag and in the pantry and they should last for about 3 to 4 weeks after they were roasted.

    You are lucky you are in Melbourne because there are so many places to get freshly roasted coffee beans.

    Try the sponsor list on the left of the screen to find one close to you. *
    Fair enough! *Ill get some fresh beans next.

    The fresh beans are packed in one-way valve bag....but once you open it, then how to you store it?

    Is there a valve bag you can buy for beans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5B5C514449280 link=1266381155/11#11 date=1266464883
    Fair enough!Ill get some fresh beans next.

    The fresh beans are packed in one-way valve bag....but once you open it, then how to you store it?

    Is there a valve bag you can buy for beans? *
    These one way valve bags have a slide seal similar to Glad sandwich bags

    So in theory they can be used until the seal does not work any longer

    And yes they can be purchased from Bean Bay << or many sponsors

    They are inexpensive

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Thanks

    Anyone bought beans from Gloria Jeans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 383F32272A4B0 link=1266381155/13#13 date=1266475655
    Thanks

    Anyone bought beans from Gloria Jeans?
    What?? You mean to drink?? *:o Nah...I reckon Id prefer Draino

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E61796F646F636A6A6969616D620C0 link=1266381155/14#14 date=1266475724
    You mean to drink? :o
    Haha.
    Thats awesome.

    styla, you need to avoid beans from supermarkets and chain stores like GJs basically because theyre of poor quality and generally a long way past their best.
    Either go to a well regarded cafe in your area (or better yet, a cafe that roasts on site) and source some freshly roasted beans, or buy some from the BeanBay here at CS (you cant go wrong with Andys Espresso Wow).

    Good luck.

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    Couldnt agree more..........huge jump up from s/market coffee.......even more so if you have a good machine and grinder.......

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    styla, youre in Melbourne so you have literally *stacks* of places to get better beans than GJs

    St Ali, Seven seeds / BBB, Coffeesnobs of course, Talk Coffee

    we are spoilt rotten in Melbs as far as good quality fresh brown beans go

    grab one of the roasted sample packs from beanbay even

    if you could elaborate what area of Melb youre in we may be able to suggest a close local roaster if you dont want to wait for auspost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3C243E233F38352E23254C0 link=1266381155/17#17 date=1266488649
    styla, youre in Melbourne so you have literally *stacks* of places to get better beans than GJs

    St Ali, Seven seeds / BBB, Coffeesnobs of course, Talk Coffee

    we are spoilt rotten in Melbs as far as good quality fresh brown beans go

    grab one of the roasted sample packs from beanbay even

    if you could elaborate what area of Melb youre in we may be able to suggest a close local roaster if you dont want to wait for auspost...
    Im in SE Suburbs of Melb....Knox area if that helps.

    Sorry I dont know a great deal of coffee shops *:-[
    When I go shopping I just tend to go GJs for convenience. *Didnt know they were average.
    Im yet to taste what a GOOD coffee tastes like.

    Do you guys buy beans in small quantities or in bulk like 1-2kg.

    Lastly if I order some beans from here how much is delivery to Melb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7374796C61000 link=1266381155/18#18 date=1266540484
    Im in SE Suburbs of Melb....Knox area if that helps.
    Theres not a whole lot of quality cafes in the Knox area but ive give you the name of three excellent coffee houses within about 20-25 minutes.

    1) Maling Room - Canterbury

    2) Caffe Romeo - Balwyn North

    3) Coffee Hit - Doncaster

    All three places produce outstanding coffee (Maling Room produce the best coffee ive had so far in Melbourne), all roast on site and all use quality beans.

    If you were willing to travel further youll find a veritable treasure trove of good coffee in the inner city, including The First Pour in Abbotsford, St.Ali in South Melbourne and Seven Seeds in Carlton.

    If you do visit one, make sure you try a coffee or two whilst youre buying your beans.
    You wont regret it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7374796C61000 link=1266381155/18#18 date=1266540484
    Sorry I dont know a great deal of coffee shopsEmbarrassed
    When I go shopping I just tend to go GJs for convenience.Didnt know they were average.
    Im yet to taste what a GOOD coffee tastes like.
    No need to apologise, mate, we were all coffee noobs once.

    On the plus side, if GJs is what you know of coffee youre going to be in for a real treat *when you experience some real, well made coffee.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7374796C61000 link=1266381155/18#18 date=1266540484
    Do you guys buy beans in small quantities or in bulk like 1-2kg.
    It depends on how much you use.
    Freshness of beans is vital (ideally you want to use beans within a week or two of roasting) so you wouldnt want to buy a couple of kilos of beans if youre only having one or two coffees a day.

    Given its your first experience, id suggest that you buy 250 gram bags to start.

    All the cafes i mentioned will happily sell you 250 gram bags (and itll likely cost you about $11-13, roughly).
    The other option is buying a sample pack from BeanBay here where Andy gives you 4 x 250 gram bags of different, freshly roasted beans for only $30.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7374796C61000 link=1266381155/18#18 date=1266540484
    Lastly if I order some beans from here how much is delivery to Melb? *
    About $10, and thats for courier delivery, too.
    Outstanding value.

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Cheers Ristrom!!

    Ill definately try one of those coffee house you mentioned.
    Ill goto Doncaster tomorrow and try CoffeeHit.
    Which coffee bean do you recommend from there?


    Might also try the sample pack from Beanbay.

    And I thought GJs coffee was good *:)
    Looking forward to exeriencing quality coffee soon.

    I gotta admit though......not only is this coffee thing an addiction but also a very addictive hobby now. *I had a laugh
    Need to save up now for an upgrade on my system * ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40474A5F52330 link=1266381155/20#20 date=1266594381
    Ill goto Doncaster tomorrow and try CoffeeHit.
    Which coffee bean do you recommend from there?
    You cant go wrong with their either their house blend, simply called Daily Blend, or even Caff Fiend.

    If you dont feel uncomfortable have a quick chat to the barista (likely to be the very funky Danny Davies) and let him know what drinks you like and hell recommend you something.

    And make sure you sit down and have a coffee whilst youre there.

    Quote Originally Posted by 40474A5F52330 link=1266381155/20#20 date=1266594381
    Might also try the sample pack from Beanbay.
    You cant miss with that one, either.
    Youll get four 250 gram bags of beans (not to mention a pretty snazzy CS bag), usually from different regions of the world and with BeanBay you know youll always be getting incredibly fresh beans.

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Ultimate Hit from Coffee Hit is a good one to try as well!

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    Re: HELP! cant get a slow pour...Breville 800ES + BGC450

    Update!

    Went to CoffeeHit in Doncaster and sat down for a latte. Nice indeed.

    Decided to grab a 500g bag of Cafe Fiend blend for $15.
    Came home then grind as usual.
    My first impression on my grind was a more consistant compared to the stale beans I had from the supermarket.

    Then the tamp. It was so much easier/softer to tamp with the fresh beans. I was amazed :o

    Finally the pour. OMG...what an incredible difference it made (also thanks to the unpressurised basket)!!
    It was thicker.....much more crema and the taste.....100x better.
    I was impressed!!! 8-)

    Just ordered a tamper so Ill still need practice getting the right dose and tamp to further enhance my experience.

    I will never buy supermarket beans again.

    Just wana thank you guys for your advice.
    Totally transformed my home coffee experience. :)

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    No worries, styla.

    Glad to know you enjoyed Coffee Hit, got some beans and are now on the path to producing excellent coffee.



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