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    Advice on Coffee Machine

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    Hi,

    Would appreciate advice from experts here on which is a decent machine to buy for a good brew. I am currently using one of those capsule Nespresso machine. I am thinking of upgrading to a espresso machine so that I can try different beans and have a better frothed milk.

    My budget is around $400.

    Thanks. :)

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    Re: Advice on Coffee Machine

    welcome Sunbird

    do you own a grinder?

    if not, a (good) grinder is really going to be needed........ to make good coffee


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    Advice on New Coffee Machine

    Hi,

    Would appreciate advice from experts here on which is a decent machine to buy for a good brew. I am currently using one of those capsule Nespresso machine. I am thinking of upgrading to a espresso machine + grinder so that I can try different beans and have a better frothed milk.

    My budget is around $400 - $500.

    Thanks. :)

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    Re: Advice on Coffee Machine

    Hi Sunbird, and welcome!

    You probably should have edited this thread instead of starting another one :)

    I started on the ~$400 machine, and Ive regretted not buying something better. *My advice would be to either save up for a better machine (and youll need a grinder too); or buy a well looked-after second hand machine.

    Theres a good thread here showing exactly what happens if you start on the cheapo machines. *Youll eventually get upgradeitis, and the cheap machines will cost you more in the long run (since they generally only last a few years).

    However, I wouldnt listen to anyone who told me that a year ago, so good luck in choosing, and welcome to the beginning of the journey :)

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    Re: Advice on New Coffee Machine

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B535B5C5650320 link=1275531108/3#3 date=1275532383
    You probably should have edited this thread instead of starting another o
    mod post:
    Agreed...Cross posts make for cross moderators. Threads merged ::)

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    As mentioned earlier got to have a grinder, preground just wont get it done for the best in flavours or results.

    Minimum grinder of Sunbeam 450 or 480, Dont consider Delonghi, Breville etc they are sub par. If your really on a tight budget then Hand grinders are a possible $ saving, Hario or Kyocera as sold be some of the sponsors here.

    Use the rest to get your machine. Some of the smaller Gaggias if you stretch a bit are a fairly robust machine that are tougher than the Breville or Sunbeam ones in that price range.

    Better yet have a good look at the recent Nemox/Lelit machine/grinder combo threads and save for a touch longer and buy a machine ($750-800) that will last you a lot longer. :)

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    Hi,

    Sorry that I started another thread. *Thanks Mod for merging. *Will check out some of your suggestion. What are your thoughts on this:

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    Not sure if you are aware or not too non sponsor links are normally a nono so your link will go up in smoke soon ;)

    With your budget Saeco, Delonghi, Breville, Sunbeam, and even the lower end Gaggias are basically a kitchen appliance. That means they are designed to sort of do a job like the real thing but for home users and for a much lower price. The problem is this leads to average results higher failure rates and a shorter than desirable life for a lot of them.

    Its a toughy but if you can do it cheap and you are happy with the results thats the most important thing :)

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    If the link goes, the machine is the "Saeco Aroma Stainless Steel". *Never seen it so I dont know. *At least it has a boiler.

    The consensus here about the cheap end of the market appears to be the Sunbeam EM0450 or EM0480 grinder, coupled with the Sunbeam EM6900 or EM6910 machine. *I dont have either, so I cant comment, but the common complaint I see lately is that they break down after a year or so :)

    YMMV :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5850585F5553310 link=1275531108/8#8 date=1275539523
    If the link goes, the machine is the "Saeco Aroma Stainless Steel". *Never seen it so I dont know. *At least it has a boiler.

    The consensus here about the cheap end of the market appears to be the Sunbeam EM0450 or EM0480 grinder, coupled with the Sunbeam EM6900 or EM6910 machine. *I dont have either, so I cant comment, but the common complaint I see lately is that they break down after a year or so :)

    YMMV :)
    And ya think teh Saeco wont...

    Go and visit teh local Saeco service centre.. The one up teh road is floor to ceiling with repair jobs..

    Same as teh EM6910 etc..

    90% of teh faults are USER generated..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 715E5755427D515E5157555D555E44300 link=1275531108/9#9 date=1275540959
    90% of the faults are USER generated..
    In the two and a half years that Ive been selling the Talk Coffee range of coffee machines I have never had one come back for a warranty repair - user generated or not. ;)


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    Re: Advice on New Coffee Machine

    Quote Originally Posted by 735259595E44370 link=1275531108/10#10 date=1275543717
    Quote Originally Posted by 715E5755427D515E5157555D555E44300 link=1275531108/9#9 date=1275540959
    90% of the faults are USER generated.. *
    In the two and a half years that Ive been selling the Talk Coffee range of coffee machines I have never had one come back for a warranty repair - user generated or not. ;)
    Context my dear Watson..

    KISS and Context...

    If I was selling the same product from a shop and sight unseen by an agent who knew nothing about the item..

    I would be getting warranty and follow up calls from a percentage of those that bought off the agent... Because the important issues are often not communicated..

    (Context - the Talk Coffee range of coffee machines - imported by TC... Not Manufactured by TC)

    It is also why Warranty is a marketing tool and a joke for some items..

    Look at the range of Grinders some might be selling..

    "Mazzer, Macap and Compak" *

    Sold with how much warranty ? *(12 months parts / labour / RTB ? / Excludes ???)

    OK put a price on that warranty.... *($***. ** ) *

    Is it $$ or Cents ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by 77585153447B57585751535B535842360 link=1275531108/9#9 date=1275540959
    And ya think teh Saeco wont...
    Of course they will, I was just talking about the Sunbeam :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 725358585F45360 link=1275531108/10#10 date=1275543717
    In the two and a half years that Ive been selling the Talk Coffee range of coffee machines I have never had one come back for a warranty repair - user generated or not. ;)
    but then, youre not selling Saeco nor Sunbeam, (according to your site-sponsor thread, not your web page, which I didnt check) which is the point of my post - a cheap machine will have a (non)-user-generated fault within a year or two.

    So I guess Dennis is saying the same thing from the other end - a non-cheap "real" machine wont have such early-death problems, so in the long run it will cost you less :)

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    Re: Advice on New Coffee Machine

    Hi Iain,

    Saw that you have a Breville BES 820. Pardon me asking, what is the difference between the 820 and the 800. Saw one going for under $400.

    Thanks.

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    The amount of posts and internet reviews I saw regarding sunbeams and breakdowns is what put me off them. I ended up getting a breville cafe roma and a sunbeam EM0480 grinder. Didnt appear to be as much complaints about breville breaking down but at this end of the scale its just a gamble! I bought it from a real retail store not online for the purpose of being able to throw it at someone if their service is lacking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6A454C4E59664A454A4C4E464E455F2B0 link=1275531108/11#11 date=1275544587
    If I was selling the same product from a shop and sight unseen by an agent who knew nothing about the item..
    In that case, I take it that when you say, "USER error", you actually mean its the fault of the sales staff/agent. ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by 696F747873687E701A0 link=1275531108/13#13 date=1275547700
    Hi Iain,

    Saw that you have a Breville BES 820. *Pardon me asking, what is the difference between *the 820 and the 800. *Saw one going for under $400.

    Thanks.
    The primary extras on the 820 that I can see are:
    • hot water wand
    • program button (for customising your extraction time)
    • pressure guage (colours, not numbers) where the 800s steam / water switch is
    • steam / water switch on the right face, near the top
    • LED in water level window


    if these links work:
    800 820 860

    IMHO, the only feature I care about now (was different when I purchased it) is the pressure guage. Even though it has no numbers, it still tells me where the machine is going to block up and stop working (I aim for just under this spot!)

    Since I bought mine, the BES860 is out. It has an integrated grinder, and those cool pf spout things.

    But please tell me youre not going to spend that much money on a Breville :)

    HTH

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    Re: Advice on New Coffee Machine

    Hey Sunbird, theres an 860 going in the for sale section!

    $550 is a bargain.

    Id still spend it on something else, but if youre convinced, get in quick (or wait for a price drop... up to you)

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    Thanks Iain,

    Saw that sale too. But it is in Melbourne and I am in Sydney. Would prefer to see the item, since I will be paying a fair bit for it. I am keeping my eyes on the Breville 800 ES. It seems that it is possible to get it ard $300.

    From your post, unless I read you wrongly, you seems to be saying that it is not worth paying so much for a Breville. What it is so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 31372C202B302628420 link=1275531108/18#18 date=1275638979
    Thanks Iain,

    Saw that sale too. But it is in Melbourne and I am in Sydney. *Would prefer to see the item, since I will be paying a fair bit for it.
    You could have a look in a store?! And I think its "new in box", but I understand what you mean.

    From your post, unless I read you wrongly, you seems to be saying that it is not worth paying so much for a Breville. *What it is so?
    I guess that answer starts to get personal - where I am at the moment means I am looking at a good quality second hand machine (cant afford a new one, and you can clean them up nice!). Something that will last a number of years with proper service, and make great coffee. Ive seen some top cafe quality machines go for just a few hundred bucks lately. So personally I would go for a second hand solution that will make better coffee than a new Breville :)

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    Re: Advice on New Coffee Machine

    Update please sunbird :) What did you end up with?

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    Re: Advice on New Coffee Machine

    Hi,

    Was busy. I finally end up with a Gaggia Classic. Got it for about 1 week. Have been enjoying it since. Mod the steam wand and is now getting better microfaom.



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