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    Kambrook KES300

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    Anyone ever tried the Kambrook KES300 with integated Milk Frother ?
    Excuse me if this is a stupid question, I love coffee but am new to the home coffee machines, BUT would I be able to use this unit if I ground down the coffee beans through a grinder previously or am I only able to use this machine with Instant Coffee ?

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    The fact that cappacino is spelt incorrectly on Kambrooks website is probably indicative of the (poor) quality of coffee youll get from this machine.

    Ive not used this machine but it appears to be a kettle that also froths milk so I doubt it can be used with ground coffee. *Rather than spend $170 you can heat up milk in the microwave and use a $20 frother. *

    Even better, buy a sunbeam em0450 grinder for $150 (or a better quality second hand grinder) and a coffee plunger for some decent tasting coffee.

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    http://www.kambrook.com.au/product.asp?id=266
    The website description only mentions instant coffee.

    I will assume then that its nothing like an espresso machine, in which case, no you couldnt use ground beans with it.

    It is listed as a kettle.

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Hi Thundergod, thanks for the reply.

    What is the difference between an espresso machine and one thats not , I thought I would be fine if I just grounded the beans before I put it in the machine ?

    What are the other good kinds you can get for under $200 and what makes them different ?

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Instant coffee is coffee that has been brewed and dried.
    Real coffee can be made several ways, the 2 most common being with a plunger and an espresso machine.

    You can buy an entry level espresso machine for under $200 which are designed to be used with stale pre-ground beans you get from the supermarket.

    Im sure most people on this site would agree that youre better off spending that money on a grinder and making your coffee with a plunger.

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 595852415F5A40330 link=1244457504/4#4 date=1244462112
    Instant coffee is coffee that has been brewed and dried.
    Real coffee can be made several ways, the 2 most common being with a plunger and an espresso machine.

    You can buy an entry level espresso machine for under $200 which are designed to be used with stale pre-ground beans you get from the supermarket.

    Im sure most people on this site would agree that youre better off spending that money on a grinder and making your coffee with a plunger.
    So you are telling me if I buy one of the cheaper Sunbeam models under $200 that cannot be used with grounded beans that I have done myself through a grinder ?

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 2A3B3C203A2C27490 link=1244457504/5#5 date=1244463689
    So you are telling me if I buy one of the cheaper Sunbeam models under $200 that cannot be used with grounded beans that I have done myself through a grinder ?
    erm....the term is "ground" (not the electrical do this before I get electrocuted one *;D)

    A bare minimum grinder for espresso is the low end Sumbeam 450 at circa $150. Dont waste your $$$ on anything less.

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    As long as your grinder can grind fine enough for espresso then you can use it with any espresso machine.

    Do you already have a grinder? If so what sort?

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Instant Café Cappuccino Maker
    KES300

    * Create great cappaccinos with instant coffee
    * Integrated milk frother
    * Large capacity
    * Self cleaning function
    * 3 cup milk tray
    * Cup storage plate
    * Make hot chocolate, malted milk drinks, chai latt & black coffee


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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 1C3831313232081C38243A38570 link=1244457504/8#8 date=1244464082
    Instant Café Cappuccino Maker
    KES300

    * ** Create great cappaccinos with instant coffee

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    Sheesh- they should stick to making irons ::)

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 3A2B2C302A3C37590 link=1244457504/3#3 date=1244461199
    What is the difference between an espresso machine and one thats not
    An espresso machines forces water, under pressure, through ground coffee beans.
    The beans do not dissolve.
    Whats left behind, after extracting the coffee, is then thrown out.

    When you run water through instant coffee, it dissolves and theres nothing left behind to throw away.
    Instant coffee is coffee thats already been brewed, then dried to form the powder you see.

    Also, most instant coffee is made with Robusta beans not Arabica.
    Robusta is a much cheaper coffee bean.
    You get the quality you pay for.

    * Create great cappaccinos with instant coffee
    Its spelled cappuccino.

    Maybe thats their way of not using espresso to make their "frothy milk on top of instant coffee" drink that they call a "cappaccino".

    "Cappuccino is an Italian coffee drink prepared with espresso, hot milk, and steamed-milk foam."

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    I am really interested in a cheap espresso machine with an "Integrated Milk Frother" , Anyone know of one ? I have been recommended the "Jura Ena" but I dont see where the Integrated Milk Frother is ? Alsoit is a little out of my price range...

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B5A5D415B4D46280 link=1244457504/11#11 date=1244465471
    I am really interested in a cheap espresso machine with an "Integrated Milk Frother" , Anyone know of one ? I have been recommended the "Jura Ena" but I dont see where the Integrated Milk Frother is ? Alsoit is a little out of my price range...
    The Jura Ena has Automatic frothing for cappuccinos

    You will be wasting your money if you get anything of less quality

    Good quality automation costs

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Does the Jura Ena automatically add the froth like the KES300 ?

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Are there no other brands with an integrated milk frother ?

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 3120273B21373C520 link=1244457504/13#13 date=1244466053
    Does the Jura Ena automatically add the froth like the KES300 ?
    I believe so
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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 5544435F455358360 link=1244457504/14#14 date=1244466353
    Are there no other brands with an integrated milk frother ? *
    Integrated is another word for automatic

    If you are really keen to buy a Kambrook KES300 Then I suggest they demonstrate it first.
    You will do one of 2 things
    Like it or
    Walk away in disgust

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    What about the Krupps XP7240 ?

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Hi Cruisen,

    I think youre best option is to follow KKs advice and contact the sponsors he recommended (see links to the left of page).

    Youll struggle to find people on this site excited about automatic machines. *The average CS member is obsessed about achieving coffee nirvana, something youre unlikely to ever get with a fully automatic machine.

    The best thing about going to a specialist store like most of the sponsors is that theyre generally more than happy to give you a demo. *If youre going to be spending that sort of money you want to make sure its what youre after.

    Although automatic machines offer you convenience, youre only ever going to get mediocre coffee from them (at best). *Personally I enjoy the ritual of grinding beans, tamping, pulling the shot and texturing the milk....it really doesnt take that long for one coffee and the results are so much better.

    Its a personal choice I guess. *Fully automatic machines are becoming more and more popular, although I doubt their owners enjoy their coffee anywhere near as much as the average CS member does.

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Quote Originally Posted by 4657504C56404B250 link=1244457504/17#17 date=1244469562
    What about the Krupps XP7240 ?
    Quote Originally Posted by 7F72707076637879170 link=1180262087/0#0 date=1180262086
    To put it simply, I owned the fully automatic XP7240 for a good 24 hours before I returned it. From removing it from the box, it was disappointment after disappointment. Heres why:
    Read the rest here:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1180262087/1

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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    Welcome cruisen.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Theres a reasonable explanation of the process on Wiki here mate... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso which also happens to have loads of links to information of most aspects of dealing with coffee... A more in-depth explanation can be found here... http://www.home-barista.com/espresso...-101-t368.html

    Cheers,
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    Re: Kambrook KES300

    To add my 1.25c worth (after the downfall in the economy and tax taken out)...my very honest opinion.

    I have made a very slow progressive journey to CoffeeSnobdom over the past 5 years or so.

    One of the incarnations I experienced during this journey was a DeLonghi 750i Semi-Automatic Espresso Machine with an Integrated Frothing Device (IFD) that cost me circa $350.00 or so.

    During the 10 months or so that I owned this machine, I had it in for service once, and then - about 6 months later - had to have the machine completely replaced due to a major fault and some major whinging from me to their customer service department (and Im not normally a whinger, but thats what it took!)

    My overall thoughts on the machine itself:-

    I started off thinking it was great. Please note, at this stage of my journey, I was using pre-ground coffee from GJs, quite often flavoured, so my taste buds at that stage werent highly developed. You could, with this machine, use pre-ground coffee or coffee pods.

    In hindsight, I now know that it produced very little, if no crema but this I now put down to stale beans. My biggest two gripes about it were:-

    (a) that it didnt heat the milk up very much at all (I think it would have been pushing 50 degrees in hindsight) which ended up the reason why I gave it away to my mother; and

    (b) it used to take me more time to clean the milk storage device and milk tubes than it would have taken me to now grind beans, tamp, pull a shot and steam my milk, and clean up afterwards!

    Seriously, the milk frothing device was not worth the effort and, if you got lazy and left it a little while before cleaning it, the coffee would dry on the container and you would have to scrub it. A couple of times I got even lazier (read: forgot after being lazy) only to come back to find off milk in the container and you can guess the amount of cleaning it required then!

    Now also, in hindsight, the milk was so bubbly coming out that about half the glass was aerated bubble and the rest was coffee and milk.

    So, my personal recommendation is to veer away from anything with a milk frother and go a cheap machine and froth your own milk. Get a reasonable grinder (as mentioned above), not one with a whirling blade in it, and make your own coffee and do your own milk.

    Overall the experience will be worthwhile and, honestly, the time it will take you will be less time than the cleaning of one with a frother.

    My next machine - a fully automatic Black & Decker Espresso Machine for around $300.00 that also chopped my beans, but I had to texture the milk myself, but thats another story again and even more woeful!

    Suffice to say, I had that one for about 5 months before I bought myself the Sunbeam 6910 and EM480 grinder worth around about the $750.00 mark and ditched the store bought beans, and then another 8 months before I bought myself a Maver Makin Marte HX Espresso Machine and Macap M4 Grinder worth around $2,100.00!

    Fortunately, I think Ive tamed the Upgraditis Beast for a while now and am deleriously happy with my setup. Phew!




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