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    Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

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    Hi all, does anyone know if the Breville 800 series group handles will fit a Sunbeam EM3600?

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Not sure, my Sunbeam EM2300 group handle (51mm) will fit looseishly on my Breville 800ES.* I think the EM3600 and EM2300 use the same size handles, the 2300 is made of alluminium, some the higher models use chrome plated brass I think but are the same size/design.

    I was trying to work out if the EM5900 group handle would fit my 800ES.

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Yeah. It seems like the 2300 and 3600 group handles are identical. If the 2300 is loose in the 800, then assumedly the 800 group handle will be too big for the 3600? I think I will have to go into harvey norman and try them out or something similar. =) Thanks for your reply.

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    My 800ES is at home and the 2300 is at work, Ill take the 2300 home (lightweight toy machine that punches above its weight) and test 800s handle on it and let you know.

    I use single wall baskets on both machines which may also affect the fit.

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Thank you!

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    I saw your other post regarding the 3600 and also recommend using only a single wall double shot basket with fresh, ground on demand beans.*

    I have both the Breville single wall set and a Krups look-alike single wall and prefer the Krups on both the 2300 and 800ES.* I had the 2300 paired with a 0480 too with the single wall.* I also removed the black plastic base on the bottom of the handle, a lot of muck can and does accumulate under the cover.

    I have attached pics of my preferred tapered wall basket and also the Breviile single wall set.* Both baskets fit the PF of the 2300 and 800ES.* The Krups basket is a nice firm fit in the 800ES PF and was slightly looser in the 2300s.* I think if you remove the spring clip on the inside of the PF and adjust it, the basket fit may be tighter, well, thats what I did.




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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    from past experimentation (ie, fiddle with at a store) the Breville and Sunbeam Portafilters are almost identical (there are some minor differences, and a couple of models are substantially different)

    I think the only real difference in some of the lower range models, is that the breville twists the lugs by 30 degrees on the Collar (judging by the angle of the spouts compared to the handle)

    Of course, the BES860, BES900, EM6910 and now it seems the em4850 (the replacement to the em4800) all have different Portafilters, the BES860 and the EM4850 both have 53mm portafilters (the breville has three lugs, the sunbeam has two) and the BES900 and em6910 both have 58mm portafilters

    I believe that the EM4800 had a brass, whereas the lower range sunbeam models have plated aluminum (cept for the new em2800, which appears to have its portafilter made out of plastic)

    Not sure what the makeup of the Breville models are, but Im assuming that the BES820 has a brass portafilter, with the rest being aluminium? Someone elsell probably correct me if Im wrong

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    The reason behind me asking is that I found a set of Breville single walled-single and double cup baskets and a group handle on ebay. I was wondering if I could chop the base off the Breville handle into a naked PF, to check technique and I dislike the twin hole/spout separating option on my current sunbeam handle. Will the 3600 work with such a naked PF? Have you or anybody else tried this? Even though the set comes with the 1-cup basket I only ever use the 2-cup with ground-on-demand beans. So we agree on that.

    However, you reckon the Krups baskets are better than the Breville? Why is this? Better fit or better performance? MrBill, is that photo of the Krups basket? Or a different brand? Maybe I should look into Krups over Breville?

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    I think its the Krupps Single coffee basket that is better then the breville, simply because of the shape, it has a smoother progression between the top and the bottom, which enables one to tamp properly

    as for the sunbeam 3600 working with a naked portafilter... Yes, Yes it does the job, a ten minute job with a 50mm metal cutting holesaw gives you a most excellent place to start going Naked (though I would advise cutting off the plastic projection at the bottom of the portafilter handle.)

    The only thing to watch out for is it sometimes is a bit messier when you do a purge/flush of the Espresso machine when the portafilter and basket are attached, The pressure isnt enough sometimes (or is too high) and the water runs off the portafilter handle onto the bench. >:(

    But otherwise, itd work quite well in learning whats going on with your tamp (beware the symptoms Ive started to show, just making a coffee to watch the pour :D )

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Quote Originally Posted by 587561737C7D7A73556052756071140 link=1319495005/8#8 date=1319523258
    I think its the Krupps Single coffee basket that is better then the breville, simply because of the shape, it has a smoother progression between the top and the bottom, which enables one to tamp properly
    So the Krups single is better than the Breville single? How about the doubles in comparison? As I usually do not use the singles.

    Quote Originally Posted by 587561737C7D7A73556052756071140 link=1319495005/8#8 date=1319523258
    But otherwise, itd work quite well in learning whats going on with your tamp (beware the symptoms Ive started to show, just making a coffee to watch the pour :D )
    Ha. I can always make them into piccolo lattes if I have too many shots. :)

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Well, my 800ES PF fits into the EM2300 brew head lock but is not tight with the handle going all the way to the right with both the Krups-like basket and the Sunbeam double shot dual wall basket.* With pressure, there might be a leak but I havent tested it.

    I have also removed the black plastic cover from both the base of both handles and the 800s PF has a flat base which is not exactly conducive to fluid flow. The Sunbeams PF base is curved so espresso flows out smoothly.* If youre going to create a naked PF then I guess this doesnt matter.

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6B4652404F4E4940665361465342270 link=1319495005/6#6 date=1319514778
    Of course, the BES860, BES900, EM6910 and now it seems the em4850 (the replacement to the em4800)
    I think the model youre referring to is the EM4820.* I looks ok in the flesh and the brew head lock appears to be made of metal as opposed to a hard plastic.* The PF wasnt on display to I couldnt see if it would fit in the older model Breville or Sunbeam machines but looking at the PDF manual, it looks like it has 2 lugs to lock as opposed to the usual 3 of the other entry level 51mm PFs. You may be right in that the may have increased it to 53mm.

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Quote Originally Posted by 342B2C3426430 link=1319495005/11#11 date=1319624915
    Quote Originally Posted by 6B4652404F4E4940665361465342270 link=1319495005/6#6 date=1319514778
    Of course, the BES860, BES900, EM6910 and now it seems the em4850 (the replacement to the em4800)
    I think the model youre referring to is the EM4820.* I looks ok in the flesh and the brew head lock appears to be made of metal as opposed to a hard plastic.* The PF wasnt on display to I couldnt see if it would fit in the older model Breville or Sunbeam machines but looking at the PDF manual, it looks like it has 2 lugs to lock as opposed to the usual 3 of the other entry level 51mm PFs. You may be right in that the may have increased it to 53mm.
    Oops, Blame the excess level of blood in my caffine stream for that one.. Yeah, EM4820 is the beastie in question

    I actually just lucked into finding one with the portafilter still attached in a department store somewhere, Its actually quite a nice solid chunk of brass, with better shaped pour-spout thingy on the bottom...

    Visually comparing it to the EM03800 portafilter next to it, it was definitely bigger in diameter, The baskets were not able to swap over either. so yeah, Definitely thinking 53mm (as measured by eye), but unless I actually get my mitts on one and actually measure the diameter of the basket, Its guesswork only.

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    Re: Breville group handle on a Sunbeam?

    Quote Originally Posted by 765B4F5D5253545D7B4E7C5B4E5F3A0 link=1319495005/12#12 date=1319679049
    Oops, Blame the excess level of blood in my caffine stream for that one..
    Love it. :)

    I have contacted Krups about the filter baskets and Sunbeam about a new group handle. Thanks for all your help and opinions guys!

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