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    Best $10 I ever spent!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    A few weeks ago I was browsing the 2nd hand coffee machines on Trade Me (online auction site) here in NZ. I spotted a La Pavoni 'Espresso Cappuccino' listed at $10. Worth a look I thought. The listing stated that it seemed to power up ok but there was no flow. Still it looked in reasonable nick and I thought it'd be worth it just for the parts. I put a lazy $15 high bid on, but to my surprise ended up winning it for $10. Especially surprising as one exactly the same sold the day before in another part of NZ for $305!!
    I knew very little about these machines other than they were very basic, possibly with a pressurised PF and a panarello for milk. I picked it up and took it home. I plugged it in and turned it on and crossed my fingers. This is how it looked that first time -

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    As you can see I pulled the panarello outer off as, to be honest it was crap. Using the plastic steam arm with just a single hole in the end was a little difficult due to its short length but it was doable. The best news was that I got flow through the group and PF straight away. The PF is a pressurised 'locking' one (basically the same as the Saeco VV one) and I think maybe the seller wasn't aware of how to use the PF properly. She was just selling off some of her Dad's old stuff after his passing so wasn't really interested.
    This Pavoni is full of Saeco parts in a Pavoni badged case. The PF is slightly different as it doesn't have the crema enhancer, and can't be 'depressurised' but other than that all internal parts are those found in a Via Venezia or similar. I gave everything a clean and the PF did actually free up a bit. Since then I've been reading up and learning the best way to use this handy little machine. I've now also modded the steam arm with the old steam wand off my Brugnetti Simona Top. It's not super pretty, but the best thing about this mod is that it's simply screw on-screw off, so it can be returned to its original state really easily. I've also run a cleaner through the machine and things are definitely getting better. Here's how it's all looking now -

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    Close up of the steam wand mod and the old panarello it replaced -

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    I might do a proper descale at some stage, but I'm not sure it's warranted yet and I'd hate to cause problems for no reason. The only thing I think I definitely want to do now is put in a new brew thermostat. I haven't measured brew temps properly, but holding a milk thermometer under flow from the group head only gives a reading of about 60degC. Even using this very unscientific method I reckon I should be getting at least 70-80degC. Anyway, still made a very drinkable latte this morning which is all I need while I'm still working on both my Simona Top and Gaggia Classic.

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    Generally, (and I'm not a coffee machine tech), measuring the temp the way you have is very inaccurate. It can only be done using the proper tool, which approximates the flow characteristics of a full basket of coffee, and is instant reading.

    If the coffee is fine, the temperature probably is too.

    Good purchase!

    Greg

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    Leroy,
    Great find,how smug you must feel ,finding such a gem,good luck.
    Image three ,is it worth considering shortening the internal copper piping to better accommodate the modified steam wand ,or would the vertical protruding swivel cause more difficulties then it's worth?
    I've recently modified a Gaggia classic , retro fitted with a Rancilio steam wand,looks much neater and the water tank now clears the wand,as it should.
    All over good job,achieving your transformation , almost as satisfying as the coffee itself!
    cheer's,
    Mick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mulquemi View Post
    Leroy,
    Great find,how smug you must feel ,finding such a gem,good luck.
    Image three ,is it worth considering shortening the internal copper piping to better accommodate the modified steam wand ,or would the vertical protruding swivel cause more difficulties then it's worth?
    I've recently modified a Gaggia classic , retro fitted with a Rancilio steam wand,looks much neater and the water tank now clears the wand,as it should.
    All over good job,achieving your transformation , almost as satisfying as the coffee itself!
    cheer's,
    Mick.
    I do try not to be smug, let's just say I was very pleasantly surprised and happy that it's worked out. Initially I wanted to place the Brugnetti steam wand higher up and I looked for an adapter or two that would've had the small orange plastic collar you can see sitting just below the hole in the case and the fitting above it sitting just inside the case positioned vertically. This would've been possible with the the use of either one or two adapters depending on their size, but the problem I struck was that I had to remove the pipe fitting from the steam valve altogether to make room and therefore needed the first female adapter to screw straight onto the male thread on the steam valve. All sounds fine except that this male thread on the steam valve is a very unusual 14x1 metric thread. I guess it's not unusual it's just hard to find fluid adapters in this size. I'm sure they're out there, but no one here in my part of NZ stocks them. The other option would've been to cut the elbow you can see off the bottom of the pipe fitting, but I decided not to do this as it would've irreversibly modified the machine. At least with what I've done any future owner can just screw the Brugnetti wand off and replace it with the original panarello or cappucciniore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregWormald View Post
    Generally, (and I'm not a coffee machine tech), measuring the temp the way you have is very inaccurate. It can only be done using the proper tool, which approximates the flow characteristics of a full basket of coffee, and is instant reading.

    If the coffee is fine, the temperature probably is too.

    Good purchase!

    Greg
    I absolutely agree that there's no way I can get an accurate reading this way, but I should still be seeing a higher reading than 60deg. The other reason I know it's brew temp is too low is simply taste and temperature in the mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    I absolutely agree that there's no way I can get an accurate reading this way, but I should still be seeing a higher reading than 60deg. The other reason I know it's brew temp is too low is simply taste and temperature in the mouth.
    Actually you will find that practically everybody that tries to measure temperature this way gets about the same reading or not much more so it's not worth attempting. Taste on the other hand is the only thing that will matter when you test more shots. Good work on finding such a bargain

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    I had a sip of the 'espresso' this morning straight after extraction. Eeew. It's bordering on cold so I've got a new thermostat on the way.



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