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    What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

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    Hi All,

    I am doing the technology consulting for an enterprise technology roadshow next week and have been asked what the current draw would be on 2 x commerical machines so they can provision adequate GPOs.

    Does anybody know how much a single machine will draw?

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    In general
    One can get both
    10 amp & 15 amp depending on the make and model per machine

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    As KK said......it depends.

    Therefore there are 2 alternatives:
    a) Contact the equipment provider and ask them about what they are specifically providing OR
    b) Simply provision for 2 x 15 amp circuits.

    Dont forget to provision an extra 10 amp socket for a grinder.

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    im not quite sure what kind of machine they will have, but judging from last year it will be a 2 group, similar to a san marino.

    A general rule of thumb on this is good, i dont need to be superspecific.

    I dont want to see a brown-out happening in a large venue down southbank way on Tuesday.... :o

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    2 * 15AMP should be fine, unless theyre brining along dual boiler machines. La Marzocco and Expobar will require 20amp and in the unlikely case that its a synesso its 28AMPS (30amp circuit).

    Id say though that if they were bringing a DB or particularly power hungry machine, power requirements would have been one of the first things that the client would have brought up, so 15AMPS should do the trick.

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    my FAEMA 2 group 11litre boiler is between 10 and 15 amp, but 10 amp GPO is usually able to carry 16 amps before tripping the breaker on that circuit (from what I understand - Im not an electrician).

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    The standard wiring in Australia (2.5mm core) is rated at 16amp.

    So for a general 2 group head machine (drawing 15 amp or less) a sparky only needs to change the socket and up the fuse that the socket is on.

    20 amp is a different story. The wiring has to be changed to meet spec.

    Also a standard 10 amp plug will plug into a 15 amp socket. So you can get a GPO that has two 15 amp switches/points and your 2grp machine can plug in one and your standard grinder (10amp plug) into the other.
    Thats what I have at home.

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    thanks for your help guys i told the sparky to provision 2 x 15 amp GPOs for each coffee cart

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    Have you considered refrigeration? And possible other requirements ie extra lighting, 2 grinders?

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    2-group San Marinos (taking the Lisa as the most popular model in Aus) have a 4700W element - so thats 20A.
    Some are factory fitted with a 3100W element, but most Ive seen around town need the 20A power.
    Also bear in mind that SMs have a decent size water pump.

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    Thats a lot of juice - no wonder Coffee Cl_b burns the coffee....:)

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    Re: What is the current draw for a 2 group commercial machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by 40555C4C405B5B2F0 link=1242796840/10#10 date=1243028902
    Thats a lot of juice - no wonder Coffee Cl_b burns the coffee....:)
    Na... Its just that they get set up to run hot so that they can scorch the milk quicker to get teh turnover.. Then the coffee gets done over as a by product :o

    Fix - Easy add more syrup :D

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