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    Please advise on BFC Galileo Vs. VBM Vs. LaCimbali M27

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    Hi,

    I have a few coffee shops, all of which are making about 250 espresso-based drinks/day. And all my shops are using La Cimbali M27 and Casadio Theo64 ginders. I'm opening a new shop, and my machine vendor is trying to introduce me to 2 new brands (new to me), they are VBM and BFC (Galileo). The vendor seems to think that there is a trend toward these hand-build machines and that they are better, somehow.

    What I need is a very durable and reliable machine, that is capable of making great espresso. My question is, should I stay with the La Cimbali M27 (or M29) or try the BFC Galileo 2G-M for a change? Not sure about VBM either... between VBM and BFC, which is a more reliable brand and which is better (similar range model). I'm interested in moving toward one of the new brands, but very unclear about how good they are compare to the established players, like Cimbali.

    It would be great to hear from you and thanks for your help!

    Thanks!!

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    Welcome Beeboo,

    I am certain that your vendor requires reliability just as much as you do- or his phone would be ringing with repair requests and he would have plenty of disgruntled clients.

    Both BFC and VBM build machines of very good quality. You will be fine with any of them.

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    Hi beeboo and welcome to CS.


    I can't find much about the history of BFC but here's some on VBM.

    THE ORIGIN OF VIBIEMME - Vibiemme | Espresso coffee machines | Italy

    Another member, who has extensive commercial experience with BFC, may see your post soon and respond.

    As your supplier has these machines, can you set up a try-out at their workshop and see if you prefer one over the other two?

    As Chris says...... both are of good quality.

    Do they have any of these machines out in the market already? Maybe he could set up an intro with one of his customers

    using the 'new' machines?

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    La Cimbali's have a long history/reputation for their robustness and longevity. Having run them in multiple cafes for multiple years you have firsthand experience with their reliability. My experience with them is I have a La Cimbali M28 Basic 2 group that is somewhere in the range of 20-25 years old. The first half of its life was spent in a cafe with the last ten years on my kitchen bench where it runs 24/7 for 6 months out of every year. Per the original owner no part in the machine other than the usual consumables (Group seals, o-rings, and washers etc.) had ever been replaced and while I have owned it those consumables have continued to be replaced as needed and I have had one part failure. A contactor failed after 20 years of use. One part failure in 20 years of use. Not a bad record.

    It would take some serious convincing on the part of the vendor before I would change over to a new and unfamiliar brand. A generic "They're better." comment by the vendor would not be anywhere near enough to convince me to change. I'd be wanting details/specifics as to just how the other machines are better than the La Cimbali's. With-out those specifics I wouldn't be changing.


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    Hi all, thanks for your quick responses. I have arrange for a field trial of the BFC machine for 30 days, and we can always swap it out for another M27 if we find it not as stable as a La Cimbali. My M27 produced more than 100k cup already without any issue at all, and I'm sure that will continue to be the case for another 100k cups. But the look of the M27 is a bit on the conservative side, compared to the hand-built BFC machine. So if the output quality and reliability of the BFC is as good as the LaCimbali, I would definitely give it a try. Any case, I'm still very interested to hear more from any owner of a BFC, particularly the Galileo 2G range. Please share if you have experiences with the machine, anything to watch out for.

    Thanks all! this is a great forum for coffee lover!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeboo View Post
    .....The vendor seems to think that there is a trend toward these hand-build machines and that they are better, somehow.

    What I need is a very durable and reliable machine, that is capable of making great espresso.... between VBM and BFC, which is a more reliable brand and which is better (similar range model). I'm interested in moving toward one of the new brands, but very unclear about how good they are compare to the established players, like Cimbali.

    It would be great to hear from you and thanks for your help! Thanks!!...........
    Welcome to Coffeesnobs.

    From your quote: Both BFC and VBM are not "new brands..." They are in fact quite "established" and been around a long enough time. They are also still in an ever diminishing group of espresso machine manufacturuing companies that are still in the hands of their founding private families. This speaks volumes for me.

    Also wrt "real manufacturers" VS "assemblers".... I dont know if VBM is still a "primary manufacturer", but I do know that BFC is, and have the photos from the factory to prove it. They dont contract any of their manufacturing out to others and most everything is made in house (notwithstanding specialised parts like water pumps, electric motors, electronic boards, group heads and fasteners that have to be purchased externally from other manufacturers that specialise in those fields and make those parts for everyone...).

    The roasterie cafe that I own, has used a succession of BFC machines in the past including HX and PID multi boiler types, and now runs a 4 group BFC Galileo multi boiler PID machine.

    It is a reliable performer and makes excellent coffee. The Galileo is the "premier" model range of BFC and is solid and well enginieered and built.

    And sage words fro TalkCoffee above :"...I am certain that your vendor requires reliability just as much as you do- or his phone would be ringing with repair requests and he would have plenty of disgruntled clients...."

    If he is peddling BFC Galileo and VBM models, and is geared up to service them, you should have no fear.

    Hope that helps.

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    Hi TOK. This is tremendously helpful and comforting at the same time (as my BFC Galileo will arrive in less than 10 days). It is actually quite exciting to go for a truly hand-build machine for a change. Really looking forward to trying it now.

    Thanks for sharing!



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