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    hey Chris (TC)
    Just wondering if you wouldnt mind running through a brief comparison between...

    Wega Mininova rotary AND La Spaz VivII

    on:

    1. espresso performance (intra and inter shot)
    2. steaming performance
    3. overall build quality (internal and external)

    i guess im not sure what to do about the old hx vs db issue, but thought this might be an interesting comparo of suitable for home rotaries

    thanks so much

    aaron

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    Re: rotary comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by roknee link=1221706174/0#0 date=1221706173
    hey Chris (TC)
    Just wondering if you wouldnt mind running through a brief comparison between...

    Wega Mininova rotary *AND La Spaz VivII

    on:

    1. espresso performance (intra and inter shot)
    2. steaming performance
    3. overall build quality (internal and external)

    i guess im not sure what to do about the old hx vs db issue, but thought this might be an interesting comparo of suitable for home rotaries

    thanks so much

    aaron
    No worries Aaron...

    Ill get to work on it once I have your 50,000 word minor thesis on the relative merits of different dosing techniques in relation to group anatomy and thermostability of the 10 most popular commercial espresso machines. :P

    Chris

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    well...i dont know about THAT... :D

    BUT feel free to read through my OTHER thesis; not containing coffee IN it, but had (and is still having) a sh#&load of coffee go INTO it :P

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    How about I write a thesis on "How roknee gets more confused when he finds out another machine to add to his list of possible machines, when hes gonna settle for a Minore in the end anyway?"

    haha, sorry mate, I couldnt help myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YeeZa link=1221706174/0#3 date=1221719124
    How about I write a thesis on "How roknee gets more confused when he finds out another machine to add to his list of possible machines, when hes gonna settle for a Minore in the end anyway?"

    haha, sorry mate, I couldnt help myself.
    nice on Dan. ;D

    how about

    "Brewt-ality: Selfless desire for globalised espresso utopia, or hidden agendas? The case of Dan"


    BUT i am swaying AWAY from the brute and TOWARDS the Spazzy (well, who the hell wouldnt?)

    But of course this is all budget dependent, and at this stage, im not sure where it is capped.

    when my heart was set on the brute, i hadnt really considered rotary plumbed as an option.
    now i reckon id be mad(der) not to go rotary. if i bought new from chris, there wouldnt be ALL that
    much difference b/w a plumbed rotary brute and spaz, and given the high praise for the spaz,
    this is where i would have to go (im preparing myself to win this discussion with my missus)

    now i know that this dissapoints you dan, as you were hoping for a new member to join your ranks
    and talk brute talk, but alas this just may not end up how you wished. yes, it is sad, and lifes full of
    ups and downs, so maybe we can talk more about this change of life events (58 v 53 mm pf) over
    some bella or estate at the Big V.... :P

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    Haha, yeah I thought your allegiance may be swinging. Its not an easy choice though mate, especially when youre throwing those kinda bikkies around, and what you may be able to get with a few more. Trust me, I know the process.

    Looking forward to heading Venez way when i get down there later, and seeing how youre gonna fund a GS3 ;)

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    did u like MY thesis on Dan thou....? ;)

    yeah i think im definitely capped at the vivII (and that may be a craaaazy squeeze) then theres the plumbing expense too...

    i reckon the GS3 is one of those never will happen propositions but you never know whats round the next corner...

    catch you son
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    anyways,

    tues ill have the spaz viv II in my kitchen.....and thats the end of the beginning of the story

    thanks to chris at TC for his patience over these last few months. my brother in law picked up the same machine as it turns out.

    and Dan - sorry to not make it to the minore club with ya...

    im fairly sure ill be happy with the purchase. will post pics of the setup shortly.

    aaron


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    What tamper are u going to use...nice step up brother.

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    thanks dave
    will get my hands on a 53mm coffeelab

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    get some pics up bro, when she comes in!

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    hey dan
    was waiting to hear from ya!!!
    yeah, i am REAL fortunate that the viv fell into budget and it seems like a sturdy and serious performer.
    definitely pics to come. should be arriving tues and hope to have the plumbing done tues eve, but will see.

    ill probably need to tell the plumber whta connections he needs, and i also want to figure out a drain option if i cant drill thru the benchtop. if i cant cut thru the bench then ill have to drain out thru a tile in the splashback behind the machine but that will mean the drain line wont have a drop (ie itll be horizontal) which is not cool, so well see.
    i think my wife is ok with chopping A hole in the benchtop but dont know if i need specialised equipment to do so, or a specialist stonemason.

    anyways updates will come

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    Aaron, I reckon you could plumb it in yourself mate. Piss easy.

    Assuming your existing water line going to your sink is 1/2", just grab a 1/2" tee connection, pop it on your cold water inlet from your sink. Get the suitable reducing connections and nipples to 3/8", add a 350 kPa pressure limiter (ask Milton if he has any spare). Connect using a 3/8" hose to a water filter and from there youre done. 15 minutes work. All these things can be had from most plumbing stores like Reece.

    Regarding the drain pipe. No big deal if the drain pipe runs horizontal for a bit. Most commercial machines have a drain pipe running horizontal till it can get to the hole in the bench anyway. Sure you want to cut through your stone bench top? You can do this yourself too. Just run to your local Bunnings or hardware store and grab a stone cutting hole saw bit at a suitable diameter, chuck it in to your drill and go nuts.

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    hey dave
    cheers for that info. i think ill still get my plumber mate to help me out and make sure its all cool.
    hey do u know if the water filter can sit outside or is it better to sit inside the house (under the bench somewhere)?


    re cutting the bench, no im not sure i want to, im going to try the splashback tile route first and see how that goes drainage wise.
    anyways what u up to these days?

    thanks mate


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    Just chuck the water filter under the bench, screw it in to the wall and bring the water hose through either the hole through the bench or through the backsplash to the machine. Not sure by what you mean "outside the house". Please clarify.

    Not doing much these days. On break from my engineering and arts studies....just doing the barista thing...you know :P

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    My filter and pressure limiter sit under the house (save space), and then I just put another tap close to the coffee machine. I cant see why there is any problem with this.

    Damian.

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    thanks guys
    i was picturing having the water hose going thru the backsplash, out the external wall and then back in the wall to connect up to the cold water tap. i guess the hose can just be fed internally (duh). but then again, having the filter outside will save me some cupboard space in the kitchen. just worried about heat, sun, and excited possums.

    aaron

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    What water filtration are you going to be using?

    I have 2 single water filters on me at the moment and am thinking about running a dual filtration system by connecting the two up. But living in Melbourne getting a water supply with a hardness of about 20 mg/L I could probably get away with just a single filter for just sediment removal.

    Still gotta think this one over.

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    hey dave
    just spoke with my mate (a plumber) who investigated cutting thru stone a while back and said definitely not for the faint hearted. prob better off having a stonemason do it as the risk of cracking the stone is fairly significant. so were gonna investigate the wall option and see what we can come up with. the main issue as i see it is the drainage, and the simplest solution (seeing that the machine will be right next to or very close to the sink) will be to run the drain hose along the benchtop and into the sink, will let u know (coz im sure youre all waiting with abated breath)

    aaron

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    You still havent answered my question! hahaha

    Ive got my DIY plumb in out of a jerry can done...just waiting on parts to put the darn thing back together.

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    hey so why arent you plumbing in to mains water? rental property issues?

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    Coz my espresso bar is set up outside my house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wushoes - David S link=1221706174/20#21 date=1231675338
    Coz my espresso bar is set up outside my house.
    "Not sure by what you mean "outside the house". Please clarify" * :P
    pics please mr seng

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    You lost me.

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    seems so easy :D

    um i was making a little joke - you had asked for clarification of what outside my house meant - you then talked of your espresso bar being outside your house - i then quoted your previous post asking for clarification, with the concurrent request that you send some pics (both to clarify what YOU mean by outside your house and because id like to see your setup).


    and no, im not explaining this again - if youre still lost, you can PM me and ill give you my mobile number and we can walk this through together nice and slow.....

    now... where were we? :D

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    Good choice Aaron. I did the plumbing for my Spaz and water filter - the low pressure tubing is easy to poke through to where you need it and the elbow and tap fittings are easier than Meccano. I dont have the drip tray drained and I am not sure it is worth it - it only needs emptying once or twice per week and need a wash in the sink now and again. Since I put the water filter under the sink it was hardly any more expense to add a filtered water tap next to the main taps - just a small hole in the stainless sink, an extra t fitting and its in.

    I have a solid metal tap as the first fitting off the cold water supply and when I go away I turn the whole lot off.

    Have fun,

    Chris

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    Oh, you dont understand! With my new machine, having a working drip tray is a GODSEND! Its so lovely to not have to worry about carrying a half-full or full drip tray to the sink and cleaning all that gunk out! Just run some water over it and wipe it down and you are DONE!

    I think I like having the drip tray plumbed more than the water inlet!

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    yep I would do the drip tray. *I think if I didnt, I would have to empty it about 3 times a day. *But a lot of that waste is just because it is plumbed - you change the way you flush, clean etc when you dont have to empty it. *Also, no way to empty the boiler for mine if you arent drained.

    damian.

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    ill post some pics hopefully or at least describe what happens when it happens..which should be tom eve.
    VERY excited

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    If the horizontal run has you worried Id be wondering about mounting the machine on taller legs, a small platform, or maybe one of those stainless shelves/cupboards that hold accessories.

    I also recommend going through a tile rather than a benchtop. A tile is much easier to replace if needed.

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    hey greg
    my thoughts exactly
    ive seen taller feet used in the states
    dont like the look of them really but something like that might be the way to go. possible raising the whole machine a little on some sosme of block is a good idea too.
    im thinking i might see if the plumber can hook up a drain kit that can be plugged also (sort of a reversible mod) then we can try out the drain with a horizontal run and see how it goes. then if that fails, ill reverse the drain mod, and sit and think about a solution

    thanks

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    ok,

    so heres some shots of my NEW setup.
    i am V happy.
    plumbing was not so simple - took an experienced plumber 3 hours, therefore, the moral of my story is that its not ALWAYS as straight forward as one would assume to plumb in a machine.

    still need to work out drainage to complete the setup.

    waiting on my cofeelabs tamper so not pulling the greatest shots at the moment. steam is huge. the silver side panels aint actually as bad as i thought they would be. i wanted black but silver was the go.

    anyway ill post some more once my tamper arrives and i can start pulling something decent.

    thanks goes to chris at talk coffee for making this all so easy and smooth. twas a pleasure :)

    aaron


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    oh and did i mention that this baby is QUIET


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    nice mate....nice.

    v jealous! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

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    Thats sweet man! After all the procrastination its come to this haha. Happy for ya mate, looking forward to some sweet spros being thrown down.

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    thanks fellas
    i am seriously lucky to have this kinda gear.
    cant wait for the coffeelabs tamper THEN well start talking about spro. meantime its plastic fantastic shots which are making me sad

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    When youre up and running maybe we should have a spro down...hahaha

    I just finished putting together my Brugnetti. Ready to make some espresso....just need to get my Compak K10 back...dont think the Rocky will do. My machine towers over the rocky.

    So what water filter cartridge did you end up using?

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    spro down def in order

    sweet that youre done rebuilding your little baby
    hows bout some pics of your setup?

    filter atm is the basic one they sent with the machine - not a carbon filter. ill leave it for now but change the filter maybe in six or so months, then ill prob look at water hardness and softening

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    Quote Originally Posted by 25383C393232570 link=1221706174/37#37 date=1231971856
    spro down def in order

    sweet that youre done rebuilding your little baby
    hows bout some pics of your setup?

    filter atm is the basic one they sent with the machine - not a carbon filter. ill leave it for now but change the filter maybe in six or so months, then ill prob look at water hardness and softening
    Congrats on the new kit Roknee and Im glad that youre happy and that all is well with your machine.

    For those thinking of a rotary pump Vivaldi II, there is one left in Australia with new stocks quite some months (6+?) away and they will be dramatically more expensive.

    Drop me a line if interested...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3B2622272C2C490 link=1221706174/37#37 date=1231971856
    spro down def in order

    sweet that youre done rebuilding your little baby
    hows bout some pics of your setup?

    filter atm is the basic one they sent with the machine - not a carbon filter. ill leave it for now but change the filter maybe in six or so months, then ill prob look at water hardness and softening

    Youll be okay for now. South East Water quotes their water hardness at 15 to 20 mg/L which is really soft.

    Photo coming when I get my Compak K10 WBC back. Its out on loan. Right now I have a doserless Rocky which is my black brew coffee grinder...hahaha *:o

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F7D7B60676D7B080 link=1221706174/39#39 date=1232001851
    Youll be okay for now. South East Water quotes their water hardness at 15 to 20 mg/L which is really soft.
    Wow, really?

    We really suck in Brisbane at 100 mg/L :(

    Reference:

    http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:BASE::pc=PC_1397

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    http://www.sewl.com.au/solutionsfor/residents/waterquality/Pages/Commonproblems.aspx

    The typical hardness level of water delivered in South East Waters area is between 12.5 - 13.5mg/l. This means that the water being supplied to South East Water customers is considered "soft" by international standards - it is easy for soap to lather and the water feels soft to touch.
    100 mg/L is still good.

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    purchased some rubber feet that are double the length of the standard feet. well see how they go in terms of allowing a nice slope for the hose beneath the drip tray.


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    progress!
    1. getting taller 8cm spaz feet with 10mm thread, will have an engineer rethread to 6mm and slap em under her.
    2. got my drain hose hooked up today. 19mm reinforced hose, elbow and plumbers tape, drilled hole into drip tray, added some silicon tubing to the underside of the hole to fit INTO the elbow, clamped the hose to the base of the machine with rivets, drain hose out the splashback down into an external drain. i needed the drip tray to be removable to access the internals and also for an occasional clean up.
    no leaks at all, until i drew HEAPS of hot water from the hot water spigot, then some overflow, but for normal operating conditions, it is simply leak free and im a happier camper.

    aaron



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    progress!
    had two different blokes in oakleigh help me out.
    one guy chopped my handle for 10 bucks, so now im naked.
    another guy tapped and drilled the 10mm studs to 6mm studs. machine feels nice and sturdy. nice to go back to the naked for the visuals. not quite tapping into the sweetness of the blend ive gogt atm so need to play a little.

    aaron



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