Hario V60 PouroverOriginally Posted by 7C455B556F77300 link=1268813306/0#0 date=1268813306
Clever Coffee Dripper
Now that im away from home for coffee related buisness i have been thinking i may purchase an Aeropress and a hand grinder combination for the mornings and nights.
The other day in Adelaide when i was doing the Clipsal 500 i managed to get a quick visit to Bar 9 in and sampled an Ethiopian Sidamo from an Aeropress and was very pleased with what i tasted.
Im curious on the thoughs of others regarding this type of setup and what the options are?
I know of the Aeropress and Mypressi. The Hario and the Kyocera hand grinders. Are there any other contraptions i should take a look at?
Hario V60 PouroverOriginally Posted by 7C455B556F77300 link=1268813306/0#0 date=1268813306
Clever Coffee Dripper
The Clever dripper looks pretty good as far as pour overs go.
Does anyone own an aray of these types of brewers who can provide some insight into difference in tatse between the Clever type of brewer and the Aeropress?
Best discussed in the manual brewing section but the Aeropress is nothing like a drip brew in flavour profile.
Clever coffee brewer sort of like swiss gold drip with some more variation available due to the mechanics of it. A Neru sock from Sorentina will do you just as well or better with a cleaner cup and a smaller packet to ship in this type of option.
For bash and crash portability the Aeropress is the best I have seen Aerobie do plastics properly and near indestructibly. For personal flavour or taste I prefer something else however.
For a Grinder the Kyocera is a better option for out and out toughness followed by the Hario Skeleton (more hopper capacity)
Depending on flavour preference the Avanti twin walled Plungers are also worth considering along with a grinder.
Whatever it is...it has to be of smallish size and not weigh too much.
It also has to be pretty much indestructable due to the fact it will be going though around 20 bagage handling stations per year.
So i figured the Aeropress fit that bill pretty well and is not much more expensive than something like the clever pou rover.
So other than the Hario and the Kyocera hand grinders is there any others?
Consider the Aeropress a strong black coffee rather than espresso despite the packets claims. If you like t otaste your coffees individual flavours then the Neru sock is certainly worth considering even if it is just to try.
Apart from Zassenhaus (currently not readily available NEW in Australia) your oly other choice is second hand on the bay of evil. There is a few other Ceramic burred hand grinders coming out of Japan but I havnt tried them yet. Either that or just get a good excess baggage allowance and take the VARIO :D
I had a laugh @ taking the Vario!
I had a rather expensive Canon camera smashed up last week hence the reason to keep the spenditure down :)
I have tasted what the Aeropress can produe and would be happy with it i think...its mainly down to the Hario and Kyocera now.
gotta say Ive been very happy with my aeropress/kyocera combo. its easy to get an OK coffee from the aeropress, but like any machine you can finetune your approach to find the sweet spot. this thing is made to last, and for $50 which includes a ton of filters its hard to beat. its not espresso, more of a strong filter coffee. the kyocera is pretty hardy as well (have dropped a few times), and it feels like they were made for each other as the collector for the grinds on the kyocera fits snugly in the aeropress chamber for a clean dosing.
Au_d2 kindly loaned me a Kyocera while at the Nationals earlier this year and I found it performed quite well. I was intending to get a few to sell with the Aeropress until I bumped into someone at the Nationals who had a Hario so I was able to compare the two. The things I preferred about the Hario grinder (apart from the price and looks 8-)) is how well the outer burr and the crank are held in place. With the Kyocera the outer burr wobbled around a fair bit and the crank handle had a habit of coming off during use - I presumed this was normal for these sorts of devices until I tried the Hario and found it superior in these regards. Admittedly the unit I tried was a demo unit so new ones may exhibit this to a lesser degree.
The Hario Skeleton as far as Im aware is a similar unit to the one we sell (MSS1) but the Skeleton is a physically larger unit. Given the main reason you get a hand grinder is for portability we opted for the one with the smallest hopper and grounds container we could get. The MSS1 can store enough beans and grounds for 3-4 cups worth of beans which I think is more than sufficient for most situations. If once in a while you need to grind enough for 6 cups of coffee you just have to refill the hopper - not too onerous Id think? :-?
With either unit though Im sure youll find people that are quite happy with them. At the time of writing weve got info on the Harios in the Pullman site sponsor area.
Aeropress + Hario combo it is then!
Order placed along with some spare valved bags and a new hottop rear filter ;D
Thanks Greg ;)
Can definitely vouch for the Hario Skerton - its a fantastic grinder with really good grind size consistency. I also like the idea of the smaller MSS1.
Let us know how you go Luke
I also just got the aeropress and hario grinder combo from thingscoffee. *
After opening the box and finding the instructions all in Japanese (and being a green bean myself) a quick e-mail to Greg Pullman and I was on my way.
The grinder itself it very easy to use, although when adjusting the burrs be careful - the outer ceramic ring drops down when the bottom jar catcher thingy is off. *Better to adjust a few clicks, put the catcher back on and then try a test grind.
The dose measurements on the grinder correspond very nicely with the aeropress scoop too.
My first grind and aeropress was very promising. *Not having a refined palate, I was still very impressed by the lack of bitterness (and lack of goop at the bottom of the cup ;D) - in fact, I happily drank my latte without any sugar.
The missus seemed to enjoy her flat white too. *In the morning Ill try the caffeinated beans I just got from Cosmorex....
Turn the grinder upside down and that outer burr will stay right outa the way! ;) Generally speaking, about three clicks away from binding is about right for espresso, and for the Aeropress you can use anywhere from that point to about six to eight clicks from binding, depending on how many cups youre making.Originally Posted by 7B657D7066657E7F110 link=1268813307/11#11 date=1273138715
Im thinking about an aeropress now. Are there any other suggestions for a portable "espresso-like" device?
An Aeropress is not "espresso-like" - as a device, maybe but not as for taste. A vietnamese coffee pot tastes more like espresso to me, or for something more expensive but true espresso, the mypressi twist.Originally Posted by 7647534A5F121612260 link=1268813307/13#13 date=1286415670
I have taken the "plunge" and bought 2 Aeropresses - 1 for work, one for weekend visits when BYO coffee is essential! I hope they work well.
BTW, I have had a Kyocera for a year and it has been GREAT!
Really? I honestly thinks it sucks...even worse than the Porlex grinder which I gave away to a friend in Malaysia. The porlex was my hand grinder in the hotel, then I found a whole bunch of Hario gear in their equivalent of Myer. Bought the Skerton/skeleton and wish I didnt hand over my Porlex.Originally Posted by 58505F59510B0E3A0 link=1268813307/10#10 date=1268884127
Sorry, I should have been clear that was a comparison with the Kyocera. I never bothered to compare particle sizes through laser-scattering - probably should have, but decided that with pourover, my technique was a much greater limiting factorOriginally Posted by 072523383F3523500 link=1268813307/16#16 date=1286450572
I see. Having never used a Kyocera I will defer to you.
I have the Aeropress now. Im impressed. Combined with the Kyocera it is fantastic.
The coffee I can get using these at work is great. To be honest its a $150ish set-up ot get a coffee that I enjoy almost as much as one from my home $4000ish set-up!!!
Ive loaned my AP + Hario grinder out to a few people. Ive explained to them that it isnt espresso, it is just a nice coffee. Weve done the espresso then a comparison AP brew at the same time. Everyone preferred the espresso, but the AP wasnt that far behind and the lift in sweetness you get is quite nice.Originally Posted by 49786C75602D292D190 link=1268813307/19#19 date=1287620241
The nett result seems to have been at least two of them have wandered over to buy the same setup from Greg ;) Might have to seek commissions! :o
The only downside is the 200 or so turns of the crank - which one colleague solved by packing a cheap cordless drill. I suspect putting a Li-ion drill in your luggage would be slightly frowned upon!
My wife prefers AP over espresso for her long blacks.Originally Posted by 1415125F0 link=1268813307/20#20 date=1288498498
David any chance you can PM me the name of the store. Im back here in Sarawak (Borneo) and its back to instant muck until i find something.Originally Posted by 1032342F282234470 link=1268813307/16#16 date=1286450572
Next mission is to get an Aeropress out this way...
No need to PM. I dont think well have a problem with me telling you that the shops I bought my Hario gear from were from Isetan at KLCC and Parksons in Pavillion Mall both in Kuala Lumpur.
Unless you wanted to know where I bought the Porlex grinder from? I got that from Market Lane Coffee in Melbourne.
Cheers David, that was the info i was after. I will need to see if they have an outlet in Miri, thats not too far away. KL is a couple hours flight.Originally Posted by 092B2D36313B2D5E0 link=1268813307/23#23 date=1288524598
Was just tryin to play it safe with regards to throwing names around on here, even though it was an OS one.
I dont think theres an issue with throwing around names, just links to non-site sponsors.Originally Posted by 7877687B797F727271701E0 link=1268813307/24#24 date=1288526257
Check out Parksons first. I dont recall seeing the Skeleton/Skerton mill at Isetan.
Parksons stocked Hario:
- V60 drippers
- V60 servers
but no v60 papers, go figure.
Isetan stocked Hario:
- woodneck brewer (nel drip)
Otherwise, if that fails you, see my blog post: http://www.espressoschool.com.au/blog/147-hario-brewing-equipment-in-malaysia
There is a link in the comments section left presumably by a Malaysian informing me that I couldve purchased the V60 filters from Coffee Ritual in Selangor. Lucky for you they also stock the Hario mill and do mail order for a princely sum of 165 RM (plus shipping charges of 7.30 RM - I did some snooping around for ya). Just goes to show how much we get ripped off in Australia.
Wow! *Some really helpful info here! *I had just been starting to think I was going to have to take pre-ground coffee for our Christmas trip to Taree, or pack my exceptionally bulky Bo-ema grinder, (which is not so useful on the road anyway).
The hand grinder will also be good when we go to visit my mum-in-law...her partner has an espresso machine, but gets pre-ground coffee shipped from Sydney
Great info, that gives me a good head start.Originally Posted by 5A787E6562687E0D0 link=1268813307/25#25 date=1288526585
David, does that mean that you thought the Porlex wasnt up to the task either? *Im considering a cheap temporary set up that will also be used for travel with an aeropress and hand-grinder. I was considering the Kyocera CM-45 and the Porlex. *From what Ive read they have identical internals. *Im curious as to what your considered opinion of the Porlex was and what you used it for.Originally Posted by 61696660683237030 link=1268813307/17#17 date=1286451256
Id go the Kyocera 45, I have read through every article and comment I can find on hand grinders, here and everywhere else in the world (well in english anyway) and I bought the Kyocera during the week, weve tried it out on 5 different settings at the minimum and each time have got very consistent grinds, we even got a grind that had an almost powdery feel to it, I dont know if its because its new and with time it wont be as consistent but for now its fantastic.
The Porlex looking back on it compared to the Hario Skerton is a fantastic grinder. The only beef I have with it is that the handle tends to come loose during grinding and that you have to hold the two chambers together in a fist otherwise it will tend to separate. Other than that, a great grinder (for pour over - which is what I used it for in Malaysia in the hotels). I now regret giving it away.Originally Posted by 676A7B6B7D7A080 link=1268813307/28#28 date=1290216233
My initial impressions: http://www.espressoschool.com.au/blog/45-coffee-equipment/146-porlex-ceramic-burr-hand-grinder
Thanks Shapeshifter and David for your advice. I might have a fish around and see what I can find. The Porlex it seems is easy enough to buy here in Melbourne at a reasonable price but anyone stocking the Kyocera seems to charge a significant markup on online prices. Im not wanting to wait forever, though .... Ive been missing the capacity to make coffee at home even though there are good cafes on my doorstep. Theyre not always open when you want a coffee.
Just a word of warning about the Aeropress. I enjoy the coffee, like a higher standard plunger rather than espresso. Very durable plastics for travel, but........dont leave it on a window sill in direct sunlight for too long. The soft plastic of the seal on the plunger cylinder breaks down and goes all sticky. I assume its UV exposure, not just age, as I havent seen anyone else mention it.
I have also recentlty experienced exactlty the same thing but mine has never been left in the sun. It is approx 12 - 18 months old and the plunger seal has gone sticky / tacky. It has only been washed in water no detergent has been used and it has not been in a dishwasher so no external influences. I contacted the importer this week and they advised "You can get the rubber seal as a replacement part. RRP is only $7."Originally Posted by 24202221282025263F203D2A21490 link=1268813307/32#32 date=1291358759