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    Brewover 3-in-1 (Drip/Immersion/Pour over) on Kickstarter

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    I watched the cold bruer take off on kickstarter and it has come a long way since then. It is a pretty nice product, good materials too. It does exactly what it should with a little tweaking. I am a hoarder of coffee gear though, so mine is going to be donated if I get my hands on the next beauty I have stumbled upon to rival the Cold Bruer. I was at the 'coffee in good spirits' event the other night in 'the valley' (Brisbane) and the winner was using the prototype of this new brewer to make a coffee spirit moonshine! That was not the original intention for it of course. The design caught my eye straight away.

    This beauty is called 'Brewover'. The Kickstarter campaign launched yesterday. It is marketed as a 3 in 1 device. It can be used for pour over's, immersion cold brewing and cold drip! It is made out of high quality, thick borosilicate pyrex glass. It was thicker than my Cold Bruer glass when I inspected it.
    The top is cone shaped to suit pourover, and you can even control the pourover flow through the brass valve if you want to get experimental . All the parts are made of quality materials just like the Cold Bruer, but I like this design better because of its multiple functions. The icing on the cake for me is it has metal compartments that house the glass cone safely while still making the process transparent. Also the glass jug fits snug on a metal base for protection.

    It was designed in Brisbane too which was appealing to me as I am all about supporting local business. Sorry for the long rant, I just want to see this thing sitting on my table so badly! I highly suggest you all check it out. The pricing is very decent. I recall the Cold Bruer on kickstarter for $55US while this sits at $60aud (for early birds) and $65 after that.

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    Nice idea but I'm concerned about the ability to clean the valve if the unit is used to do pour overs. Additionally the thinness of the handle is worrisome.


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    Here's the Brewover, I was going to post it yesterday but was having issues with my tablet. If this project gets of the ground, for me it wil be a bit of a step up in terms of complexity from the old Aeropress I use at work.

    The handle looks thin and circular but if you look at other photos it's actually flat and a bit wider. I've jumped on board as I figure it will be like a coffee lava lamp on my desk at work to keep me relaxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxp View Post
    Mods want to split these posts into it's own thread?
    I was in the middle of moving my post and the one above it when I got interrupted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    Nice idea but I'm concerned about the ability to clean the valve if the unit is used to do pour overs. Additionally the thinness of the handle is worrisome.


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    Hi Java,

    I took my time to get back to this thread haha. The handle is actually quite thick. Perhaps one of the photos gave the wrong impression (wrong angle). When I held it, it was slightly thicker than the Cold Bruer handle and the pyrex jug itself was also thicker without adding a great deal of weight.
    When I played with the device the cone can come off of the valve for cleaning easily. The whole unit can actually be disassembled and the valve would be clean with a simple flush of water by just opening it up a little. But if you are crazy about oils then you can actually pull the valve apart. I am really excited about this I want to get my hands on one badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bxp View Post
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    If this project gets of the ground, for me it wil be a bit of a step up in terms of complexity from the old Aeropress I use at work.

    The handle looks thin and circular but if you look at other photos it's actually flat and a bit wider. I've jumped on board as I figure it will be like a coffee lava lamp on my desk at work to keep me relaxed.
    Having seen it in the flesh I can tell you it is a beauty bxp. I backed the package with the bottle capper and all the rest of the gear and coffee. I hope it all works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo89 View Post
    ...The handle is actually quite thick...But if you are crazy about oils then you can actually pull the valve apart...
    That's good to hear gonzo!


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    I visit Manna Beans quite regularly and find Simon and Flora to be very nice people.

    Hopefully the KS will get a bit of press, here and there and they'll get over the line and it should because the product is very cheap.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...l-flow-pour-ov
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    Backed, hope it works out
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj326 View Post
    I visit Manna Beans quite regularly and find Simon and Flora to be very nice people.

    Hopefully the KS will get a bit of press, here and there and they'll get over the line and it should because the product is very cheap.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...l-flow-pour-ov
    It is super cheap indeed for what it is and its functionality. It is sure to be a hit I will be meeting Simon and Flora sometime this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnafunk View Post
    Backed, hope it works out
    So do I. Seems to be doing well so far so that has my hopes up.

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    I'm in too, need a fourth cold brewer
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    Fourth? ! You must take your cold brewing very seriously ;-) that's good to hear you backed it. I've been checking up on the kickstarter every few days. Hopefully it gets more support. I would love the ability to make huge pourovers

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    Also I just took a stroll in my suburb of Paddington in Brisbane and I just found out that the Kettle & Tin will be exhibitioning the Brewover Saturday the 8th incase any Brissy CS'ers would like to get a look at it. Exciting stuff

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    I've backed it as well, hope it gets the funding although I'll have to explain to the wife why I need another coffee making device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanga1972 View Post
    I've backed it as well, I'll have to explain to the wife why I need another coffee making device.
    That is funny I am in a similar position with my partner having recently invested in a Bezzera Galatea. Although she is starting to understand my passion for all things coffee. I'm slowly roping her into this 'black hole' that is coffee..

    "coffee is a mysterious black hole where as you cross the event horizon, you see the the light in the darkness. No matter how much you think you know, your knowledge as well as your wallet is stretched to the limit"
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    I am in, backed it this afternoon.

    Thanks for the heads up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenscroft View Post
    I am in, backed it this afternoon.

    Thanks for the heads up.
    You're welcome. Who knows perhaps if this thing kicks off we'll be discussing pourover experimentation with the valve in a few months time. Can't wait to see it again next Saturday.

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    It seems like they needs quite a bit of cash to roll in to make it in about a month.

    I really hope the word spreads fast. I have posted in a couple of forums which are not coffee forums but where there are still coffee lovers.
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    I'm in. Not sure if it will replace my pourover but I like the concept.... and new coffee toys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenscroft View Post
    It seems like they needs quite a bit of cash to roll in to make it in about a month.
    Yes I agree it's not a lot of time. I read a small article on cafe culture magazine stating that they need a bit of money. The kickstarter figure is more than half of that figure so they would be confortable covering the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zingzing View Post
    I'm in. Not sure if it will replace my pourover but I like the concept.... and new coffee toys.
    I just need something like this because I have a huge family (siblings, not kids). At family gatherings I would love to be able to make large amounts of pourover brewed coffee in one hit...and I'm with you all the way on new toys haha.
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    Good luck to these guys , I also have backed it , be a nice step up from my CCD .
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    Quote Originally Posted by NakiChap View Post
    Good luck to these guys , I also have backed it , be a nice step up from my CCD .
    The numbers are starting to go up again after the weekend so it could mean good news for us backers. I will be at the showcase event this weekend and I will take photos to share here on the thread
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    As promised I said I would put up some photos so here she is 876e0819080aac20f1e359dca2a95c9e_large.jpga843dc27b85bedc7549ad5ece6145ef8_large.jpg

    This was at the showcase event in Paddington-Brisbane last Saturday

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    Gonzo... Mahlkonig EK... i see how obsessed you are about grind quality....

    Nice grinder.... now where should i hide my humiliated mazzer I had a laugh
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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaBeanery View Post
    Gonzo... Mahlkonig EK... i see how obsessed you are about grind quality....

    Nice grinder.... now where should i hide my humiliated mazzer I had a laugh
    Haha, no need to hide the Mazzer. The Mahlkonig isn't mine I only wish it were. In the not too distant future I am sure I will get my hands on one. Yes obsession builds all on its own when it comes to grind size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo89 View Post
    Haha, no need not hide the Mazzer. The Mahlkonig isn't mine I only wish it were. In the not too distant future I am sure I will get my hands on one. Yes obsession builds all on its own when it comes to grind size.
    Looks like we're both in envy..... (^_^)

    Nice to hit a common ground here
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    Pardon my ignorance of alternate brew techniques, but this is marketed as a 3 in 1 brewing device. On the kickstarter site only 2 methods are shown, being cold drip qnd pourover. How is the immersion method utilised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovey View Post
    Pardon my ignorance of alternate brew techniques, but this is marketed as a 3 in 1 brewing device. On the kickstarter site only 2 methods are shown, being cold drip qnd pourover. How is the immersion method utilised?
    Hi Lovey :-) ..yes the video missed out on explaining the cold immersion brew in detail. It wasn't very clear.

    The device has a long full immersion grounds chamber that locks into the bottom of the upper housing. You submerge that into the water in the jug.

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    Aahh, that makes sense, thanks Gonzo. I've pledged my support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovey View Post
    Aahh, that makes sense, thanks Gonzo. I've pledged my support.
    Great to hear! I'm not sure how it will go with 12 days left on the clock. I hope they do well...it's not over yet.

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    6 days left with just over half the "funds goal" reached.
    This is not looking good. Quite a shame. Would have been a good multi-use product with added control over the process. Shame no one set up an appeal/pass around of the hat type thread on Coffee Snobs, for a donation of a couple of dollars each from willing members. Am I allowed to say that? My bad if I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineGrind View Post
    6 days left with just over half the "funds goal" reached.
    This is not looking good. Quite a shame. Would have been a good multi-use product with added control over the process. Shame no one set up an appeal/pass around of the hat type thread on Coffee Snobs, for a donation of a couple of dollars each from willing members. Am I allowed to say that? My bad if I'm not.
    I was really excited by this kickstarter. It seems a real innovation for those that like to experiment and need bench space! Really hope that their distributors they mentioned in one of the comments comes through and gives this a boost!

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    I just backed it as I think it looks like a great little product. Unfortunately it does not appear that it will reach its goal. I backed it anyway to show the makers that there is support for the product. With any chance if they do manage to find alternative funding then they may be able to give the original backers the opportunity to grab one of the first batch.

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    They didn't hit the goal and they are about to re-launch.

    **ATTENTION KICKSTARTER COMMUNITY** We are in the process of re-launching the Brewover Kickstarter with a new lower funding goal of only $35,000! You can still make a pledge now, even if it's just a $1, to get all the updates. The re-launch is pending approval from the Kickstarter managers. With this new lower goal we should make our goal so jump on board now to take advantage of the new offers. There will be new rewards and the first 1000 backers get a Free 60g bag of fresh roasted specialty coffee! Here is the preview link for the new reduced target campaign. This will go live shortly https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...token=1ecfe9d9
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    You beat me too it. . So exciting. It should be a guaranteed hit this time

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    I'm not sure what is going on with the pledges / rewards. I selected the Early Bird $55 pledge with domestic shipping included and was then charged an additional $10 for delivery. Not a huge problem as I would rather see the project get off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Stinkalot View Post
    I'm not sure what is going on with the pledges / rewards. I selected the Early Bird $55 pledge with domestic shipping included and was then charged an additional $10 for delivery. Not a huge problem as I would rather see the project get off the ground.
    I think that was a copy paste error or something. They explained in a comment (I think)they didn't mean it to say shipping included.

    I'm pleased they halved the goal. I was always extremely sceptical of the goal amount. I know Aus isn't manufacturer friendly (not that it would be made here anyway) but $65k seemed a LOT for a few bits of glass and plastic.

    I have backed again for round two. Quite excited to add this to the rotation

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuaneDibbley View Post
    I'm pleased they halved the goal. I was always extremely sceptical of the goal amount. I know Aus isn't manufacturer friendly (not that it would be made here anyway) but $65k seemed a LOT for a few bits of glass and plastic.

    I have backed again for round two. Quite excited to add this to the rotation
    I also backed it again but changed my package this time to 2 Brewovers

    Manufacturing costs for quality steel injection moulds can cost a fortune. In this case you would be looking at around $90 000-$100 000, maybe even more depending on what happens during the trial tooling stage of creating the mould. Some people choose this route because it is sustainable e.g an aluminum injection mould will not make you many units long term so it's cheap. You will have to fork out for another or invest in higher quality so its a waste of money in future.

    A higher quality mould costs a fortune because quality metals (steel) are harder to work with (in mould injection terms) and require a decent skilled person and expensive equipment to be able to manipulate them in to a quality piece. Regardless of that person being in China that doesn't make it cheap.

    If some of the parts of a new product already have an existing injection mould that makes it super cheap. An item like the Brewover which has several pieces that don't have existing moulds (with the exception of perhaps the glass jug & valve) would cost a lot for each distinctive new part that has no pre-existing injection mould.

    As consumers we don't really think about all this but the hidden costs are enormous and often shocking when startups have to face that reality. In this case the designers are well prepared to fork out the money to make it work but are asking for help from those who are interested. I think the goal was fair when you understand the costs, but yes it would have been difficult to reach at the rate it was going.

    There are alternatives to injection moulds but that in itself means production of each unit costs a lot more and that is then passed onto the consumer which is not sustainable unless your product is incredibly popular, unique and worth the premium price tag. Sustainable and quality mass production is near impossible without injection moulding...

    I apologise for the rant I just thought it might be of interest to others. If you are wondering how I know about all this it is because I co-run a website where we speak to a lot of people who are undertaking start ups and from their information about costs for all sorts of products I realised it doesn't matter how easy it looks to make, if it's quality and for mass production it is expensive.

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    Its a little worrying to see that the funding has slowed to a crawl on the second release. Perhaps offering the early bird price for so long to tempt the backers from project 1 wasn't the best idea. As it currently stands Project 1 had 295 backers giving a total of $34,773 (average per backer $117.87), Project 2 currently has 272 backers and a total of $24,056 (average per backer $88.11). It really would help if the 4 addition $600+ backers came back on board with Project 2.

    If the average per backer from Project 1 was applied to the number of Project 2 backers the funding would only be a touch over $2,900 short.

    Im only hoping that it gets funded early and perhaps they can commence fabrication

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    Yes I hope it gets there too..There is a lot of time left so hopefully the word spreads. Whether the target is reached early or not it won't mean fabrication can start. We will have to wait until the Kickstarter ends unfortunately.

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    Woohoo the Brewover has been funded (for those who have backed you already know that). So glad I will definitely be getting my hands on one now. The waiting game begins.

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    now I have to figure out what to do with it! haha
    already have a yama 8 cup but got this to support brendan

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    Latest update:
    STRETCH GOAL - $60K
    IF WE REACH $60K WE WILL UNLOCK A HIGH QUALITY STAINLESS STEEL MESH IMMERSION BASKET FOR ADDITIONAL COLD BREW FUNCTIONALITY.
    Would be nice but I doubt they will get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al View Post
    Latest update:

    Would be nice but I doubt they will get there.
    Small chance, a lot of kickstarter projects get a flurry of activity in the last week. It has already gained about 4k in the past few days. So fingers crossed!

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    Well this Brewer finally made it through production and I think a few have arrived in people's hands.
    It is bigger than I anticipated but I also didn't look at the video of it in action so shouldn't have been surprised.
    I've put my first ever cold drip on and would like some feedback around grind size. Most info seems to suggest that cold drip should have a grind size around 'filter grind' but I'm struggling to translate that into something I can actually relate too. Some websites suggest between 4 &6 clicks off burrs touching on a porlex mini which I've done for today and will see what I think of the flavour. It's a home roasted Guatemala jacalatenengo so the errors could be as much with roasting as grind size. Find out tomorrow I guess.
    Anyway, for anyone out there using this brewer, how have you gone checking drip rate? I did 50g in the chamber for 500ml water. the instructions say 70g to 700ml water so the same ratio, however once the grounds were wet and expanded, they've starting touching the bottom of the valve so you can't actually see the drips. Anyone else found this?
    A finer grind might resolve it, but could then be over extracted from what I have read?
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    Mine also arrived today
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    Mine arrived last week and I have done a few cold drips.

    The 70 grams seems just too much for it. I have done a couple of 55gm lots and that worked quite well.

    I like my drips with espresso grinds but on the coarser end of the scale so that it will actually drip.

    I did a coarse filter type grind on one batch and it was a bit watery for my liking.

    I am going to keep at it but I think I prefer my ghetto set up as that does 3 litres at once and I get to let it sit for a bit in the fridge for some maturing.
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    also received mine over the weekend. I'm trying the 70gm to 700ml, 5 sec drips cold drip to start. I think my grind is way too fine though as having left it overnight all the grinds are moistened but not a drop in the glass!

    Also, as Ravenscroft mentioned, 70gm is just too much for the plastic grind container to manage. mine is full to the brim, resulting in the drip valve touching the upper filter paper.



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