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    Wacaco Nanopresso

    After a fairly underwhelming experience with the newly acquired Aeropress on an overseas trip recently, I came across the Nanopresso, successor to the Minipresso which was discussed briefly earlier on this forum. For $59 USD I figured it worth a shot (sorry about the pun!) and have preordered one.

    Has anyone else ordered a Nanopresso? Or by some chance had their hands on a pre production sample? Backup for the original Minipresso appears to have been good and total investment is not massive so I'm giving it a go. Perhaps one day I'll spring for a Rossa HC but for now the Nanopresso looks like the next step.

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    What's with the constant reference to 18bar pressure in the advertising material? It's weird.

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    The photo where it talks about cleaning it showing the spring reminds me of the insides of the pressurised portafilter of my in laws via venezia. That and saying how pre-ground coffee works well made me wonder if the 18 bar is to do with that?
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    Hmm just did a search and it looks like the original Minipresso effectively has a pressurised portafilter...

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    Yeah. Not for me thanks.

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    OK I've arranged for a refund. The mention of the pressurised portafilter was enough.

    I think I can see a Rossa HC or similar in my future though...

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    I've used a Minipresso and I was really impressed. It's not quite true espresso, but it's probably the closest you'll get with something portable like this. The two main problems with it are that it's difficult to pre-heat sufficiently and it's a little difficult to squeeze at times. Anyone that tried to eke a bit more out of it with a finer grind or slightly higher dose ran the risk of unseating the valve as well. It was an easy enough fix if this happened and Wacaco were quite onto it in dealing with this issue, but still not ideal. It sounds like the improvements they've made when developing the Nanopresso will make for a great little unit. It's still only officially rated as an 8g filter basket, but I reckon you'll get 9-10g in there most of the time easy enough. And if the pump and group unit is a bit more robust to allow for a higher pressure extraction then it could be a good thing. I'd be keen to give the Nanopresso a go when it comes into full production. Pressurised portafilter? Well, sort of. There's a pressure activated valve in there, but I don't really see how that's a bad thing.
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    Hi everyone, I'm Hugo the designer of the Minipresso and the Nanopresso. I'm new here and I register specially to reply about your concerns. I would like to confirm that Minipresso and Nanopresso come in standard with pressurized portafilter. You need to understand that most users are not expert and wish to get a nice and good espresso every time, whatever the coffee ground they are using. But this function can easily be cancelled in both of our machines by removing the small black silicon part link to the spring. However users will then have to work harder on the grinding.

    @MattyRay, you should have post this question about the
    pressurized portafilter at the bottom of the blog post in the comment section. I will have been more than happy to answer you and avoid any disappointment.

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    Thanks for the comments Hugo. Can you confirm if removing the pressurising pin from the minipresso will not void the warranty? I've seen several mentions of pump seals blowing from too much pressure, but these comments have all been fairly old. Have the newer minipresso units been improved? I really don't want to test the limits of my unit it with too many choker shots!

    As an endorsement, I've just finished a 3 week 4WD trip through the remote Kimberly area. The minipresso was paired with a Rhiniwares compact grinder and used every morning for 2 milk drinks. My wife and I couldn't have done without it. We had a mocca pot as backup and never used it.
    It would be nice to be able to buy individual spare baskets. I would rather keep the small reservoir and use boiling water for each shot instead of the large reservoir getting cooler as you go, plus fresh ground beans on the spot negate the desire for preloading the 3 spare baskets in the reservoir kit that will just go stale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyltom View Post
    Hi everyone, I'm Hugo the designer of the Minipresso and the Nanopresso. I'm new here and I register specially to reply about your concerns. I would like to confirm that Minipresso and Nanopresso come in standard with pressurized portafilter. You need to understand that most users are not expert and wish to get a nice and good espresso every time, whatever the coffee ground they are using. But this function can easily be cancelled in both of our machines by removing the small black silicon part link to the spring. However users will then have to work harder on the grinding.

    @MattyRay, you should have post this question about the
    pressurized portafilter at the bottom of the blog post in the comment section. I will have been more than happy to answer you and avoid any disappointment.

    Best,
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    Thanks Hugo.

    i must admit I was a little disappointed to hear that the Nanopresso had a pressurised portafilter, but I had no idea it could be bypassed. Nice to hear it can be used unpressurised though, most of us here don't mind working on the grind as it's an integral part of what we normally do.

    I haven't yet purchased another portable device, so will perhaps take this one out of the "no" basket and reconsider.

    Thanks for the update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyjj21 View Post
    As an endorsement, I've just finished a 3 week 4WD trip through the remote Kimberly area. The minipresso was paired with a Rhiniwares compact grinder and used every morning for 2 milk drinks. My wife and I couldn't have done without it.
    Next time you're in the Kimberley just pm me and I'll fire it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmyjj21 View Post
    Thanks for the comments Hugo. Can you confirm if removing the pressurising pin from the minipresso will not void the warranty? I've seen several mentions of pump seals blowing from too much pressure, but these comments have all been fairly old. Have the newer minipresso units been improved? I really don't want to test the limits of my unit it with too many choker shots!

    As an endorsement, I've just finished a 3 week 4WD trip through the remote Kimberly area. The minipresso was paired with a Rhiniwares compact grinder and used every morning for 2 milk drinks. My wife and I couldn't have done without it. We had a mocca pot as backup and never used it.
    It would be nice to be able to buy individual spare baskets. I would rather keep the small reservoir and use boiling water for each shot instead of the large reservoir getting cooler as you go, plus fresh ground beans on the spot negate the desire for preloading the 3 spare baskets in the reservoir kit that will just go stale.
    Yes you are right, I did not think of the warranty problem for the Minipresso. Also, I will not suggest to remove the the pressurizing device from the Minipresso. As I said, without it, you need to work on the grind so it means using fine grind. But this will increase the inner pressure and the Minipresso has not been designed to work at 14-16 bar.

    On the Nanopresso, everything has been developed to handle the high pressure. The portafilter can be very easily open for cleaning or to cancel the pressurizing device without causing any problem for the warranty. I have already run few test without it on single and double espresso. For sure the result is incomparable. The crema is very smooth. I will try to talk about this in the bog post and show an example.

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    Thanks for the feedback. Looks like I might upgrade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyltom View Post
    Yes you are right, I did not think of the warranty problem for the Minipresso. Also, I will not suggest to remove the the pressurizing device from the Minipresso. As I said, without it, you need to work on the grind so it means using fine grind. But this will increase the inner pressure and the Minipresso has not been designed to work at 14-16 bar.

    On the Nanopresso, everything has been developed to handle the high pressure. The portafilter can be very easily open for cleaning or to cancel the pressurizing device without causing any problem for the warranty. I have already run few test without it on single and double espresso. For sure the result is incomparable. The crema is very smooth. I will try to talk about this in the bog post and show an example.

    Best,
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    Have to say I love my Nanopresso - the taste is much better than the Minipresso. I pretty much take this to work and use it all day with my Rhino hand grinder - works a treat!
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    Hi Hugo. Can you please tell me if the kit+ with the 3 minipresso filter baskets will fit the nanopresso? This would be great for traveling as would the larger water tank. Also, when will the Barista kit and NS adaptor be available in Australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duff1963 View Post
    Hi Hugo. Can you please tell me if the kit+ with the 3 minipresso filter baskets will fit the nanopresso? This would be great for traveling as would the larger water tank. Also, when will the Barista kit and NS adaptor be available in Australia?


    Whete the verdict on the nanospresso? Iím considering getting one for travel etc.

    any thoughts of nano v minispreso?

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    I'm keen to get one to try. Will probably also get the Barrista kit to produce bigger shots.

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    I'm very keen to get one of these. Definitely getting the nespresso pod adapter. What I'd like to know is, with the barista extension, will the nespresso pods be over extracted?

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    Hey guys where can I pick up the nanopresso, the ns capsule adaptor and the barista kit? I did up the cost from the wacaco website. $170aud or so. Seems a bit steep for what it is.

    Anyone found it cheaper elsewhere?

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    Wacaco Nanopresso

    Site sponsor Coffee Parts has them. You can throw yourself to the wolves on evil bay where you can be warned about fakes, especially by one vendor whose price is so "to good to be true" that it can be reasonably deduced that they are in fact selling fakes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otago View Post
    Site sponsor Coffee Parts has them. You can throw yourself to the wolves on evil bay where you can be warned about fakes, especially by one vendor whose price is so "to good to be true" that it can be reasonably deduced that they are in fact selling fakes!
    Thanks mate I'll check them out. Nar check evilbay... Similar price for nanopresso but no adaptors for kits.


    Edit * checked their site. Slightly more expensive. Only have the adaptor and nanopresso on their site. Not barista kit unfortunately

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    I ordered mine from Alternative Brewing. $90 I think + post. They don't have the Barrista kit available at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPA50 View Post
    I'm very keen to get one of these. Definitely getting the nespresso pod adapter. What I'd like to know is, with the barista extension, will the nespresso pods be over extracted?

    i don't think it should be over extracted, because you can control the extraction through the grind size. Also stop pumping if the shot starts to blonde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budgiesmuggler View Post
    i don't think it should be over extracted, because you can control the extraction through the grind size. Also stop pumping if the shot starts to blonde.
    Thank you

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    Smile Nanopresso Barista Kit

    Hope I am not breaking any site rules to let people know I have just ordered a Barista kit directly from Wacaco Hong Kong for US 29.90 with free postage
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    Quote Originally Posted by scharvey View Post
    Hope I am not breaking any site rules to let people know I have just ordered a Barista kit directly from Wacaco Hong Kong for US 29.90 with free postage
    No problem at all. Itís just commercial links and links to live auctions that arenít allowed.
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    Im quite shocked at the price of the adaptor kits. Especially for the nespresso pod adaptors!

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    Anyone had pump issues with theirs? Mine wont build pressure anymore, and from the support line there is a small seal that often gets unseated, allowing blowback from the pump into the water reservoir. Quite disappointing given it was 4 days old when this happened.
    Very very glad i slung the Aeropress in as well on a whim. (and i was in New England where you can get decent cortados)
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    After deciding I couldn't risk the Bellman not working on my cooktop I decided to go with one of these and go back to using a french press to froth milk when I want a milky drink.
    This is after about 4-5 days playing with various settings.
    Both shots tasted pretty good. The cold brew was not quite as nice as the 'nitro shot' cold brews that are sold in my area. But not too bad.
    The beans were roasted about a week ago.
    I took out the spring from inside the portafilter to unpressurise it.


    Espresso Shot with Sunbeam EM0480 grinder. Setting 11. Tamped very hard. Unpressurised portafilter
    It started coming out in a solid stream at the 7th pump



    Cold Brew Shot with Sunbeam EM0480 grinder. Setting 11. Not tamped as hard. Unpressurised portafilter
    It started coming out in a solid stream at the 5th pump


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    re the "espresso" shot, How many grams in HD? and what volume/grams out? thanks.

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    I am afraid I am not yet in the habit of measuring as of yet. I tamped to within 2 mm or so from the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    re the "espresso" shot, How many grams in HD? and what volume/grams out? thanks.
    Itíll be 10g max for the dose unless you have the bigger basket that comes with the barista kit. Yield depends on the user and the coffee obviously so I couldnít speak for others.

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    My understanding too. 10g of ground in equates to about 20g out at the standard 2:1 ratio?. I don't know what size the shot glasses pictured are but I am assuming they are not 450ml behemoths and are more likely 60-80ml? that espresso pull looks like a lot of extraction from a humble 10g. Also not sure about the cold brew:
    HappyDaisy did you force cold water through ground beans as per a normal espresso pull or did you use some sort of longer time based drip arrangement using the nanopress?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    My understanding too. 10g of ground in equates to about 20g out at the standard 2:1 ratio?. I don't know what size the shot glasses pictured are but I am assuming they are not 450ml behemoths and are more likely 60-80ml? that espresso pull looks like a lot of extraction from a humble 10g. Also not sure about the cold brew:
    HappyDaisy did you force cold water through ground beans as per a normal espresso pull or did you use some sort of longer time based drip arrangement using the nanopress?
    I used the same process for both shots. The shot glass is closer to 30 ml. For the second shot I was pressed for time due to an 18 month old demanding 'up', so I didn't get to tamp as hard.
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    I wouldnt be using the nanopress for cold brew thattaway HappyD - I use the slow steep method of immersing 200gish of fresh coarse ground in 1l of cold water in the fridge for 12 hours - yummo. Forcing cold water thru fresh ground in a portafilter will not achieve anywhere near the same taste results - but if that is what you like - heh - although I can see an option for using the nanopress in a cold drip set up - again cold dripping over a reasonable time period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyDaisy View Post
    I used the same process for both shots. The shot glass is closer to 30 ml. For the second shot I was pressed for time due to an 18 month old demanding 'up', so I didn't get to tamp as hard.
    By "up" did the toddler actually mean "increase your dose" - everyone is a expert nowadays :-). In which case you would need the Barista kit.

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    Yep, I've done cold brew in a French press like that previously. Left it overnight in the fridge. Was curious to see how the nanopresso would handle it. My wife still prefers her 'Nitro' cold brew from the specialty shops around Canberra so I haven't tried to improve my process lately.

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    I'm wanting to 'depressurise' the nanopresso as described by Hugo, but am a little unclear on where in the apparatus the pin I need to remove is.

    Does anyone have pictures, or a guide for doing so?

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    The nozzle pushes out of the main body of the nozzle holder contra flow direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
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    The nozzle pushes out of the main body of the nozzle holder contra flow direction.
    Thanks. And then I just remove the spring and put it all back together?

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    I've left the spring out. It doesn't seem to do much without the silicone pressurizing widget. I suspect it will collect oil though if left in.

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    Yes take the spring out to depressurise.

    So I just used this for the first time. I ground up 8 grams of coffee but it didn’t all fit in the portafilter. Silly i forgot to measure how much I actually put in, i will have to do next time. I pre heated and then pulled an unpressurised shot. I used the same grind setting and beans that I’m currently using on my E61 espresso machine.

    I started pumping - coffee started coming out at around pump 5. It took me about 30 seconds to extract 16 grams of coffee in the cup.

    I had it as an espresso. Taste was like a weaker espresso. It wasn’t as thick as the coffee out of my espresso machine. However that may be due to the smaller basket size as I suspect pushing the water through double the amount of coffee would make the flavour more intense.

    nor bad for a first go and I will play around more next weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budgiesmuggler View Post
    Yes take the spring out to depressurise.

    So I just used this for the first time. I ground up 8 grams of coffee but it didn’t all fit in the portafilter. Silly i forgot to measure how much I actually put in, i will have to do next time. I pre heated and then pulled an unpressurised shot. I used the same grind setting and beans that I’m currently using on my E61 espresso machine.

    I started pumping - coffee started coming out at around pump 5. It took me about 30 seconds to extract 16 grams of coffee in the cup.

    I had it as an espresso. Taste was like a weaker espresso. It wasn’t as thick as the coffee out of my espresso machine. However that may be due to the smaller basket size as I suspect pushing the water through double the amount of coffee would make the flavour more intense.

    nor bad for a first go and I will play around more next weekend

    i has another go this morning. This time I managed to get all 8 grams of coffee in by filling the little cup a couple times. I also paused 1 sec between pumps. The result was probably too much pressure as extraction time for 16g was around 45sec.

    I did pre heat the unit and I noticed that the first bit to come out of the unit was some left over water so I might extract th first pump into a cup next time to avoid it watering down the coffee.

    Result was was a big improvement on last night. I’d like to try it again with the grind right and no early water in the cup. Pausing between pumps really helps as a pre infusion. A side by side comparison to my espresso machine showed that it’s not as rich or complex, but it’s not bad. Again that may b due to 8g basket as opposed to 18g basket. Im also drinking it as espresso which is going to show it up.
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    The 16g basket that comes with the "Barista Kit" is a lot more forgiving than the stock 8g - and I am getting pretty darn close to a "true" espresso shot with the 16g - not as tasty but that is probably more related to my newbie nanopress technique (still in development stage or grind rather than anything to do with the device. Hoping that a bit of slack time over the break will give me a chance to achieve some more nanopressive shots. Warming, I fill the res with hot water from the hot water tap of my espresso machine and let it sit whilst I prep. I then purge the nanopress, refill with hot water and purge again (now it is bluddy hot). First drop of extraction I waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noonar View Post
    The 16g basket that comes with the "Barista Kit" is a lot more forgiving than the stock 8g - and I am getting pretty darn close to a "true" espresso shot with the 16g - not as tasty but that is probably more related to my newbie nanopress technique (still in development stage or grind rather than anything to do with the device. Hoping that a bit of slack time over the break will give me a chance to achieve some more nanopressive shots. Warming, I fill the res with hot water from the hot water tap of my espresso machine and let it sit whilst I prep. I then purge the nanopress, refill with hot water and purge again (now it is bluddy hot). First drop of extraction I waste.


    Cool - im hoping for the barista kit for Christmas, but I spect that to be the case - using a single espresso basket is always harder than the double.

    Ok ok so you do two heating cycles before you pull the shot?

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    Yes 2 hot purges, the first is a preheat really, the second hot purge, just prior to pulling, gets it snuggly hot. Not sure if the second purge is completely necessary but after doing some temp readings, the cup difference between one and two hot purges is quite substantial.

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    I did read online about someone using the nanopresso to do new espresso drinks - ie filling it with whisky and brewing the shot with it. Could be fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by takai View Post
    Anyone had pump issues with theirs? Mine wont build pressure anymore, and from the support line there is a small seal that often gets unseated, allowing blowback from the pump into the water reservoir. Quite disappointing given it was 4 days old when this happened.
    Very very glad i slung the Aeropress in as well on a whim. (and i was in New England where you can get decent cortados)
    Yes...
    This happened to me a few days ago. Have not been able to get anything out of it since... Did the support line tell you how to resolve it? Or was it a case of return to sender...
    I found a youtube video with this comment on it, didn't help me though. Even without any beans in it and the spring back in place nothing comes through.

    Hi there! Have you got your solution already? Even if you got a new replacement, it will appear again. And eventually, this might not a problem at all. The solution is simple enough. At the side of the pump where we put water tank, you will see 4 rubbers to cover up the screw, then pay attention to the “+” sign orange colour rubber. I believe it was not pushed down. Push it down with your finger or screw driver or toothpick to close the valve. Trust me, you ll be able to pump it again. The biggest problem of this product is it has possibility to have water leaking at the piston and the side between the body of pump to portafilter. No wonder, high pressure portable device. A bit troublesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HappyDaisy View Post
    Yes...
    This happened to me a few days ago. Have not been able to get anything out of it since... Did the support line tell you how to resolve it? Or was it a case of return to sender...
    I found a youtube video with this comment on it, didn't help me though. Even without any beans in it and the spring back in place nothing comes through.
    First time posting, but I had the exact same problem. With the spring in nothing would come out. It just wasn't building the pressure needed to push the spring back. I'm not sure if this will help anybody but just to see what would happen I filled it with water, put the basked in empty, left in the spring, and started pumping. It took about 2 to 3 minutes of solid pumping but eventually, it started building pressure and water came out. I just tried it again with beans (as well as the pin in) and now it builds pressure for the first 8 pumps and after that espresso comes out. Again, not sure if this will help anybody but it seemed to work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyerse View Post
    First time posting, but I had the exact same problem. With the spring in nothing would come out. It just wasn't building the pressure needed to push the spring back. I'm not sure if this will help anybody but just to see what would happen I filled it with water, put the basked in empty, left in the spring, and started pumping. It took about 2 to 3 minutes of solid pumping but eventually, it started building pressure and water came out. I just tried it again with beans (as well as the pin in) and now it builds pressure for the first 8 pumps and after that espresso comes out. Again, not sure if this will help anybody but it seemed to work for me.
    This worked.
    It took more like 20 minutes of pumping (At the end I was at a slight angle with the pump facing upwards).
    But after that there was a pop, hiss and suddenly I was getting water.
    Half way through (10 minutes in) I opened the water chamber and pushed the orange cross in, not sure if it did anything but it did hiss at me.

    Tomorrow morning's coffee fix will tell me if this actually worked or not though!

    Edit... Didn't work. Didn't feel like pumping for another 20 minutes on the hope of getting lucky

    2nd Edit: Tried again this afternoon. It worked perfectly this time around. I didn't bother tamping very hard and had the pin in so the coffee did not taste nearly as nice as the ones I made earlier in the week. Maybe it is fixed, maybe not. I'll keep trying.
    Last edited by HappyDaisy; 16th December 2017 at 02:41 PM.

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