Post By saeco_user
ROK vs Flair
I recently bought the Nanopresso, and now thinking of purchasing either ROK or Flair, not sure which one I should get.
I am now using the Hario MSCS-2TB hand grinder and wondering if it is good enough for either ROK or Flair?
Thanks in advance
I think most reviews agree that the Flair is able to make true espresso shots, more consistently than the Rok.
My memory of the Hario (from a long long time ago) is that although it could grind fine enough for espresso, it took forever to do so.
A Lido, or something similar, may be better.
Not exactly on topic... Have no experience with Rok. But hopefully a little bit helpful...
I've been happy with the Nanopresso for travel. Drinking a passable espresso on an outback work trip right now.
But my recently purchased Flair has replaced a BES 870 (admittedly entry level) at home.
The Flare makes coffees that I think are better than the majority of cafes and is remarkably forgiving of my beginner level barista skills, beginner level home roasting and dodgy grinder. My wife, who had previously left all the coffee making to me, is making herself coffees in my absence and talking up her results.
My grinder experience is limited to the built-in grinder on the bes 870 and a Porlex Mini (with mods) for travel. But, after extensive research, I have a Lido 3 on order (hoping it can also cover cold drip grinding).
Will do so easily
Originally Posted by Bushtocup
I have a Hario grinder and a ROK , so I can assure you that the Hario will grind more than fine enough for the ROK, and I think that it would be OK for the Flair.
The ROK works fairly well, but it needs a lot of pressure on the levers and while the shots are close to espresso, they do not quite match up to the real thing.
I also have a ROK grinder, but the burrs in mine were terrible, so it was useless until I replaced them with a better set, from another brand. So I can't honestly recommend either the ROK coffee maker or their grinder.
I've never owned or used a Flair. I don't think they were around when I bought the ROK, but if I was making the choice now, I would definitely buy the Flair.
As a roasting house and coffee retailer that demos the Flair on the regular - can 100% attest to how awesome it is! The crema it gets is phenomenal and the shots have the similar consistency and full flavour of machine made espresso. The grind you need is slightly coarser than commerical espresso grind, but still fine, and the Hario grinder should be able to achieve the grind level you need - just might take a little time. Good luck on your espresso journey!
I have the rok wich i quite like. However can attest that it is a bit temperamental and dose require consistent coffee grind and you will need to purchase a different tamper as it comes with a horrible stock plastic thing.
No experience with flair myself but does look easier to use... or less of a learning curve
thanks for all the reply, I actually bought the flair right after I posted this thread, can't wait to try it
I also bought a Portex mini, hopefully it will be enough for the flair, had a look at lido 3, unfortunately it's way out of my budget
Anyway, I was wondering whats the difference between la pavoni and flair based on how they extract coffee, was thinking about buying one someday or BES870/920, which one would you recommend between these?
I am also looking for this kind of roaster (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REhhKr6efTo&t=90s), but not sure where can I get it
Should have ask you if you are selling the porlex mini, just saw your post after I bought it, have you tried it with the flair?
Originally Posted by Bushtocup
Not selling Porlex Mini. It's fine with the Nanopresso and that's my travel setup for now.
I reckon it'll be ok with the Flair, because the Flair seems so forgiving - in my experience and also according to posts on various forums I've read. But I haven't tried it myself.
I'd guess you can get a roaster like that on eBay. But you might find it as cheap to buy a popcorn maker... I started out with one which cost less than $20. Admittedly, it didn't roast a lot of beans at once but the coffee was passable.
Maybe also research bread machine (Coretto) technique... Plenty on this forum about it. Bit more expensive but you might be able to get one second hand or have an old one lying about.
Can't speak about the BES 920. But I'm replacing my BES 870 with the Flair. I think Flair makes better coffee and I don't texture/froth my milk. And it takes up a lot less room.
Have you considered the mahn handy roaster? A pretty nice simple roaster (pretty much a pan) that is similarly used over the stovetop and gives you good visualisation of the beans for learning
Originally Posted by jasmineeeee