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    New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

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    Hi

    I was looking in the Myer catalogue I received in the mail today.

    And they had some nice deals going on. Particularly the Sunbeam EM6910, as quite popular on this site. It comes with the respectable EM0480, all for $719.

    I was originally looking at the EM4800C, with the EM0480, which would come to about ~$400.

    This will be my first machine, and all I will be using it for is just some good cappuccinos. Beans, most likely bought from Veneziano Caffe, fresh.

    I was wondering, if I would notice a difference, between the EM6910, and the EM4800C, if all coffee was grinded the exact same?

    I would like to spend less, but if I have to, Ill consider it.

    Also, I was looking at the BES820, with the BCG450, all for $499, would the EM4800C, with EM0480 be a better combo?

    Or, is there something else better than all of these machines?

    Please help me.

    This is the catalogue Im looking at. http://catalogues.myer.com.au/portal...ame=Appliances, Page 7 and 8.

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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Quote Originally Posted by 0220312E2F24410 link=1259891054/0#0 date=1259891054
    f I would notice a difference, between the EM6910, and the EM4800C
    Yep- no contest. Dig a little deeper and spend up...

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    Hi and welcome to Coffeesnobs,

    We had a 6910 and had the matching grinder until we went all huge and got ourselves a commercial machine (watch out for upgraditus, its at pandemic levels in here).

    In my experience, the 6910 combined with coffeesnobs was the best teacher I could have asked for at the time. $719 sounds like a good deal to me. However, another option worth considering is the Rancillio Silva. I havent owned one so cant give you the skinny on it but it is a well built machine, somewhat less user friendly than the 6910 but tends to last and made with quality materials. A quick search will give you more info. Its about the same cost as the 6910.

    The EM0480 grinder is an excellent entry level grinder. You would need to spend a lot more ($400) to get something a step up.

    Personally, I would not go for the cheeper models as you will get what you pay for. If you think of it like this; every coffee you make is one you didnt pay $3 for and choke down with 5 sugars because it was so lousy. After a while those $3 add up.

    Hope that helps.
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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Quote Originally Posted by 0123322D2C27420 link=1259891054/0#0 date=1259891054
    Hi

    I was looking in the Myer catalogue I received in the mail today.

    And they had some nice deals going on. Particularly the Sunbeam EM6910, as quite popular on this site. It comes with the respectable EM0480, all for $719.

    I was originally looking at the EM4800C, with the EM0480, which would come to about ~$400.

    This will be my first machine, and all I will be using it for is just some good cappuccinos. Beans, most likely bought from Veneziano Caffe, fresh.

    I was wondering, if I would notice a difference, between the EM6910, and the EM4800C, if all coffee was grinded the exact same?

    I would like to spend less, but if I have to, Ill consider it.

    Also, I was looking at the BES820, with the BCG450, all for $499, would the EM4800C, with EM0480 be a better combo?

    Or, is there something else better than all of these machines?

    Please help me.

    This is the catalogue Im looking at. http://catalogues.myer.com.au/portal...ame=Appliances, Page 7 and 8.
    If ya beans are from Veneziano and you have the EM0480 or EM0450 you will get better consistency from the Em6910 and userbility..

    However it all comes down to YOU the user in the end.. I am others could get as good a shot from an EM4800C using single floor baskets and knowing how to manage the shot and the steam... More than two coffee in a row, and things become much more complicated..

    If ya have 4 or more people wanting cups or even mugs of coffee then the EM6910...

    Note: If ya treat any of them incorrectly and in particular the EM6910... Maintenance / repairs / length of life will be an issue..

    If ya have an extra $100 then there are some sponsor specials etc that will provide a combo unit that will out perform and last The EM6910 (and grinder) and the others you list..

    Ya get what ya pay for...

    Use the search function as per the following link as it has all be disscussed before..

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1257241858

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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Okay, thanks for your help.

    The most Ill spend is $700, give or take $50.

    Will check back later.

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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Quote Originally Posted by 193B2A35343F5A0 link=1259891054/4#4 date=1259893290
    Okay, thanks for your help.

    The most Ill spend is $700, give or take $50.

    Will check back later.
    1: Approx $800 on a combo and buy brown beans and grind your self = Verry good coffee.


    2: Approx $700 and buy a machine and buy pre ground coffee - Good for day one or two at best..

    3: A cheep system and a cheep grinder = Plain coffee and ungraditus the next month..

    Opps no real resale value on cheep systems..

    End up with item 1: above and have now spent $1200 and had average coffee etc ...

    Tell me which is better *:o



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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Myer isnt the best place to buy a an espresso machine, regardless of how convenient it may be.

    Have a look a the sponsors offerings and the hardware for sale section
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?board=Sale

    a second hand quality machine will do better service than a new cheap machine IMHO

    good luck, its a slippery slope from here ;D

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    I used a Silvia and Rocky for 5 years and when Silvia needed a new PID I went for the Sunbeam EM6910 and the EM0480 grinder.

    I was pleasantly surprised and pleased to find I got better results with the SB setup.

    The SB will make excellent coffee provided you do the free course and clean it often.

    I would rate the SB above the Silvia and there are others who hold the SB in very high regard.

    The snobby snobs denigrate it as an appliance - but any device is an appliance according to my dictionary 8-)



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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Quote Originally Posted by 1A3D3B3C31480 link=1259891054/7#7 date=1259903017
    I would rate the SB above the Silvia and there are others who hold the SB in very high regard.
    There is no doubt that the dual thermoblock Sunbeam is a potential category killer; however, interestingly you say it was your PID on your Silvia that required replacing. I have never experienced or read about issues with Silvias reliability in the same way we hear about the many and varied issues with the Sunbeam.

    Even the Lada Samara has its fans!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 68786F7E7E38393A323D390A0 link=1259891054/8#8 date=1259903740
    I have never experienced or read about issues with Silvias reliability in the same way we hear about the many and varied issues with the Sunbeam.
    I guess it has to do with three factors:
    1. *Build quality - Silvia undoubtedly wins here.
    2. *Numbers in use - I suspect department store sales would push SB into the lead here.
    3. *Users expertise. *Silvia is more likely to be purchased by a CS who is dedicated to looking after the machine, whereas Dept store purchases would be any passing Jo who says "Hey, lets buy a coffee machine"

    In the right hands the SB is a good buy *;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1F383E39344D0 link=1259891054/9#9 date=1259904286
    I guess it has to do with three factors ... In the right hands the SB is a good buy
    Everything youve noted rings true but Id suggest another factor...
    4. Simplicity - the Silvia is just brass and industrial switches - it doesnt have controllers (unless youve PIDed), micro-switches, etc. that add points of failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5C4C4E5D4A562F0 link=1259891054/10#10 date=1259905345
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    Reply #10 - Today at 4:42pm Mark & Quote Quote
    Rusty wrote on Today at 4:24pm:
    I guess it has to do with three factors ... In the right hands the SB is a good buy


    Everything youve noted rings true but Id suggest another factor...
    4. Simplicity - the Silvia is just brass and industrial switches - it doesnt have controllers (unless youve PIDed), micro-switches, etc. that add points of failure.
    Point taken ::)

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    So the SB will be good buy?

    But the Silvia, would be a better buy.

    What kind of prices are the Silvia at?

    I also want to buy brand new.

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    Hi Capone,

    Best to chat with a local sponsor to get pricing and also pros and cons. To assist you, well need to know where youre located. Alternately, do some browsing over yonder <<<<<<<.

    The Silvia will make you 2 great coffees, but forget it if you have a dinner party. On the other hand, the Sunbeam will allow you to pull shots and texture milk at the same time- whcih the Silvia cant do. The issue is that the Sumbeam is very prone to failure.

    Buy the right machine for your requirement and do it once. If you have to grab a grinder and wait and save, do it. Dont rush into the purchase of a unit which is patently unsuitable for your needs as you will only waste your hard-earned. Lastly dont expect any useful advice for an appliance sales store. Theyre best at selling kettles ::).

    Good luck ;)

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    Im just going to settle with the EM4800C, and the EM0480.

    Should I make another thread in the Entry Level section?

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    If considering the entry level machines, also have a look at the Breville BES400xl "Ikon", its boiler based rather than thermoblock, if you make milk based drinks is very very good at steaming and is capable of pulling a good shot too.

    With either machine you will need to ensure you get unpressurised filters (not dual wall), these will most likely have to be ordered from a local service centre that handles the type of machine you end up with (small cost - circa $20 I think).

    Good luck

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    Have you checked out prices with other retailers. I bought my 6910 from THe Good Guys and got a really good price. I think that they also match other prices. So dont settle on Myer until you check with them.

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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Quote Originally Posted by 6240514E4F44210 link=1259891054/14#14 date=1259923519
    Im just going to settle with the EM4800C, and the EM0480.

    Should I make another thread in the Entry Level section?
    Ho hum...receive good advice, ignore it....You will live and learn ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7C233B2D262D2128282B2B232F204E0 link=1259891054/17#17 date=1259975850
    Quote Originally Posted by 6240514E4F44210 link=1259891054/14#14 date=1259923519
    Im just going to settle with the EM4800C, and the EM0480.

    Should I make another thread in the Entry Level section?
    Ho hum...receive good advice, ignore it....You will live and learn *::)
    2mcm... Ya ever thought of being a sniper :D That shot was right between the eyes.. ;)

    Capone... You asked and then chose to ignore every comment and the time people spent in replying.. If $$$ was such an issue... State it and stick to it... That would be the only reason to choose a EM4800c..

    If the EM0480c is what ya going for... Then get a $25 spice grinder as the EM0450 is way to classy for teh EM0480c.

    Bugger... 2mcm... I will spot... you do the shooting..



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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Quote Originally Posted by 653A22343F3438313132323A3639570 link=1259891054/17#17 date=1259975850
    Quote Originally Posted by 6240514E4F44210 link=1259891054/14#14 date=1259923519
    Im just going to settle with the EM4800C, and the EM0480.

    Should I make another thread in the Entry Level section?
    Ho hum...receive good advice, ignore it....You will live and learn *::)
    I thought the same ::)

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    Re: New Coffee Machine - Help a novice/noob

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C233B2D262D2128282B2B232F204E0 link=1259891054/17#17 date=1259975850
    Quote Originally Posted by 6240514E4F44210 link=1259891054/14#14 date=1259923519
    Im just going to settle with the EM4800C, and the EM0480.

    Should I make another thread in the Entry Level section?
    Ho hum...receive good advice, ignore it....You will live and learn *::)
    You can lead a horse to water But...........
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    In defence of newbies (myself included) the journey is not a race.
    We proceed when we judge opportune.
    Dont be impatient with us, be understanding and tolerant.

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    Well said, Lindsay!

    I hope you feel comfortable hanging around, Capone.



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