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    Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Hi Guys, just wondering if there is a way of removeing the collar on the SB6910 without dismantling all the brass fittings on the group head??
    Ive just purchased a new collar and want to replace it.

    thanks :-?

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 030C1502020954600 link=1270107424/0#0 date=1270107424
    Hi Guys, just wondering if there is a way of removeing the collar on the SB6910 without dimantling all the brass fittings on the group head??
    Ive just purchased a new collar and want to replace it.

    thanks :-?
    YES ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    is it documented anywhere?? :o :o

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 606F7661616A37030 link=1270107424/2#2 date=1270110404
    is it documented anywhere?? :o :o
    NO......

    I have posted instruction many times and there are even PDFs that have been put together. Showing how to dissabble.

    Coffee snobs search function.

    In a nut shell.

    Unplug and cut plug off lead.. SERIOUS.

    Remove all the loose bits

    Remove rear door and inner cover

    Remove R/H side cover... Special screw driver

    Remove Both knobs and all the bits etc and screws under and around teh group

    Undo L/H side special screw.

    With tongue in place... Carefully remove top. Watch out for teh control wires.

    Remove all teh lock down screws for the head... two types and one SPECIAL.. Watch teh one on the L/H side ;D :D :o

    Remove all the screws that lock down the two valves... Now or before the previous... Can not recall 8-)

    You may need to loosen a fitting or two.. :P

    Carefully flex the Thermo block up and wiggle the group collar while standing on one leg and with ya left hand in ya right Front pocket.

    PRESTO... opps Presso ;D

    Do teh reverse and replace and tighten all teh bits... Those left over... Sweep up and bin..

    NOTE: Tongue must be in the other cheek.

    After putting teh top on...

    Check ya group and confirm that the steps have been ground off - see post on CS. And retrain ya methods so that you do not cause teh problem again...

    Confirm that all locks OK.

    Replace all covers; while ensuring that all fittings you flexed / touched are OK.

    After fitting the rear door...

    Call an electrician to test and replace plug.

    About 25 - 35 min to complete once ya done it a few times and have all teh tools at hand.

    Now the 6900 is the same but different..

    Actually... Quite straight forward for any one with some sound mechanical nouse...

    Note: Ya rush it or do teh wrong thing... Some one or teh machine will suffer.


    OH.. In some units the screws holding teh collar have been locktighted in; And may sheer off...









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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 46495047474C11250 link=1270107424/2#2 date=1270110404
    is it documented anywhere?? :o :o
    Is now... See post above :D

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    grab a beer and have a read. ;)

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1249003655/0

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Thanks guys, sounds good...

    cheers

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 09262F2D3A052926292F2D252D263C480 link=1270107424/3#3 date=1270111736
    Unplug and cut plug off lead..SERIOUS.
    AM, I know youre a safety first kind of guy, but do you really have to cut the plug off? *::)

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Hi Guys, Bad news.....Ive changed the collar ok, that was easy.....when replacing the steam pipe back onto the thermoblock, i snapped the brass fitting...... >:( >:( >:(
    no coffee till tuesday now......im sooooo pissseddd oooffff
    anyone have any spares they can sell me????? :( :( :(

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    here is a pic


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 66616A6A617070040 link=1270107424/7#7 date=1270117373
    Quote Originally Posted by 09262F2D3A052926292F2D252D263C480 link=1270107424/3#3 date=1270111736
    Unplug and cut plug off lead..SERIOUS.
    AM, I know youre a safety first kind of guy, but do you really have to cut the plug off? *::)
    How else do you stop people from plugging in / or forgetting its plugged in / or turned on / etc etc.

    While I would be happy to stop the rate of change towards Idiocracy and not rave about safety... There is a veiled duty of care.... That some assume has to be provided and that CS as a forum is not targeted by the current reviews that are going on....
    The new National laws will kick many buts and plenty that think they are exempt.
    Will any one do it and cut the plug off..... NO... Will I be surprised when some one actually hurts them selves NO..... Pissed if they kill some one else...

    People and their crap - They get their knickers and thongs inb a knot; about Soy milk... Scale ... Chemicals in teh water, lead in paint... Meat Vs Vegies.. And lets not forget smoking or drinking...

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    Familiarity and Complacency come to mind... Just like Aids / Syphilis / Ghonera / STDd in general etc... Massive increases in new infections... Out of all proportion across the world..


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 2A253C2B2B207D490 link=1270107424/8#8 date=1270118567
    Hi Guys, Bad news.....Ive changed the collar ok, that was easy.....when replacing the steam pipe back onto the thermoblock, i snapped the brass fitting...... >:( >:( >:(
    no coffee till tuesday now......im sooooo pissseddd oooffff
    anyone have any spares they can sell me????? :( :( :(

    There was NO need.. They use special Gas fittings NOT plumbing.. No not a Sunbeam part..

    Quality..

    It broke - WHY ?

    1: Tight *Why?

    2: Why touch it ... Caus I did.. WHY ? *No need

    3: What did you use and why - A spanner ( not a shifter... NOooooo)

    4: Why ONE spanner ?

    5: Cause that all ya need ? *WRONG

    6: Always two spanners when doing up or undoing any union... Standard Mechanical approach.. *Opps Assumptions....


    RCA - 1: One spanner was used 2: It was tight but I kept going *3: I was in a rush $: I am good with my hands... *Assumptions every time.


    Have ya turned it on yet ???

    PS. Ya want which fitting ??? Oh.. You have the tools to remove the broken thread and not damage the nut and or the olive/ end flare... that is still there ...

    The whole pipe and all the fittings... OHHHH

    Send it to me and I can fix for YA ;) True... Cost ya postage both ways and a $5 donation to FC


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    too many assumptions

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    1: Never ever had to touch that pipe on any EM6910 or EM6900 for a collar replacement... Done about 10 so far.

    2: Yes.. Have removed the steam Thermo block and those fittings many times...


    3: Very tight... Very slow and TWO fitted spanners on the two parts... Never ever had problems...

    But did watch a mate snap the lower one... Not careful and made assumptions..

    4: No rush... My first one took 2 hrs... To day; I dont even have to loosen any pipe fittings to do a collar ;)


    Some ya win and some ya loose.... Now you know better.

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    As you know, the fittings have a tappered thread, so they are extremely tight and i was very careful, taking it off and putting it back on. It snapped where it was no where near the end. Its just my bad luck.....and the only reason i did take it off is because i didnt want to bend the crap out of the pipes incase i stuffed them up.
    I wanted more room cause i had to clean where the collar was cause coffee had gotten on there.

    Never mind, ill get it sorted next week


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F60796E6E65380C0 link=1270107424/14#14 date=1270122304
    As you know, the fittings have a tappered thread, so they are extremely tight and i was very careful, taking it off and putting it back on. It snapped where it was no where near the end. Its just my bad luck.....and the only reason i did take it off is because i didnt want to bend the crap out of the pipes incase i stuffed them up.
    I wanted more room cause i had to clean where the collar was cause coffee had gotten on there.

    Never mind, ill get it sorted next week
    As to yellow. Compressor. If you dont... Then you go for a drive to teh local Service station... Buy a Dare iced coffee and then go and use the compressed air... Need to get the old style servos.. Those new one are a pain for cleaning....


    Interesting.. Al the ones I have done have a parallel thread and thus are very tight from the start...

    As I said in the steps.

    Loosen / Crack and that allows you to get some movement. *

    However it is not needed and you can do without touching any of the fittings.

    Check out my other post today as to Gas fittings that I needed for my rebuild.. *Bloody scale and a pin hole had rotted two fitting right out.....


    The fun will be trying to get the broken one out with out stuffing the flare / olive; so that your new one can be fitted. *If ya stuff it... Then the pipe will have to be cut and extra bits needed, let alone a cm or two shorter pipe work. *Or ya go and make a whole new one up..


    I just broke my mates fingers *;D *And then beat him around the head while he used a flame and some special tools etc to get the broken one out..

    Last time I ever let him in my shed.


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Anyway, it was very very tight, hense it snapped.

    They are pretty standard fittings so im sure i can get a new one made up......just have to wait till after easter....


    H.I.S Hose will make me a new one.

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 614E4745526D414E4147454D454E54200 link=1270107424/15#15 date=1270122995
    Buy a Dare iced coffee
    how funny. Of all the iced coffee drinks you can get in a servo those Dare Espresso taste the most like real coffee, everything else is garbage. In Melbourne, 7 Eleven stores seem to be the only place that sells them. I have one almost every day. :)

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 68647771776C7D050 link=1270107424/17#17 date=1270127741
    Quote Originally Posted by 614E4745526D414E4147454D454E54200 link=1270107424/15#15 date=1270122995
    Buy a Dare iced coffee
    how funny. Of all the iced coffee drinks you can get in a servo those Dare Espresso taste the most like real coffee, everything else is garbage. In Melbourne, 7 Eleven stores seem to be the only place that sells them. I have one almost every day. :)
    OT. Ya but look at the make up... No Caffeine if I remember.. All flavouring.. But I Love teh adds....


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Well, I went in to good guys and bought a new 6910.......bargain at $600 plus $30 cashback offer.....makes it $570......
    Now i have a spare machine for parts ;D ;D ;D ;D

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 3A352C3B3B306D590 link=1270107424/19#19 date=1270260422
    Now i have a spare machine for parts
    Thats fine, coz they can make a decent coffee, so not a bad idea having a spare. But do you see how flawed it is... youre already up to $1200 minimum - you could have bought one decent machine for that price. Thats why I jumped ship when I did...

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 52555E5E554444300 link=1270107424/20#20 date=1270262065
    Quote Originally Posted by 3A352C3B3B306D590 link=1270107424/19#19 date=1270260422
    Now i have a spare machine for parts
    Thats fine, coz they can make a decent coffee, so not a bad idea having a spare. But do you see how flawed it is... youre already up to $1200 minimum - you could have bought one decent machine for that price. Thats why I jumped ship when I did...
    Arr... But the main reason for the failure/s was user induced.. Thus you cant point all the fingers at the machine..

    I am rebuilding a KLuB commercial T2 *and it is only a couple of years old and in effect stuffed..

    Does that mean that KLuBs are crappy - NO... Actually not a bad machine.. Poor maintenance!


    The high end Procom pump blown out and stuffed... Bad part - NO... *Poor maintenance / slack user..

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    I get your point, just cant afford $2000++ for a machine at the moment, I dont like lever machines and only like the volumetric machines.
    Also, now that i have a spare one for parts, this will last me a long time before i buy a new one.
    I enjoy the coffee that comes out of this machine and the milk texturing is as good as i can do at work and personally, i like the coffee better at my place than at work.

    When i win tattslotto, then i will invest $3000 on a HX machine with volumetric buttons.

    ;) ;)

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F70697E7E75281C0 link=1270107424/22#22 date=1270262617
    I dont like lever machines and only like the volumetric machines.
    Some of the terms / intent here is confusing.. Very few true levers around...

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F70697E7E75281C0 link=1270107424/22#22 date=1270262617
    When i win tattslotto, then i will invest $3000 on a HX machine with volumetric buttons.
    Mine is in the FS section ;) A lot less than $3K


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Youve got a point. I used to love the coffee that came out of my 6910. I just upgraded and still havent got the best out of my machine yet. So far I was making better coffee on my Sunbeam than my new Hx - however that should change once I improve.

    You have to have a threshold though, how many more 6910s can you buy until you say enough is enough?

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Yeah, Im not sure, i always said i was not going to buy another SB but when i looked for something else, nothing apealed to me, not even the Rancilio Silvia......

    So i just made up my mind and that was it......I couldnt even afford $600 but I cant be without my coffee....I need to buy a new saddle for my bike and ive been putting it off for months now cause i didnt want to spend $200 for a new saddle.....but when it comes to coffee, nothing else matters......

    ah well, just had a coffee, gee it was sooo nice and full of body.....luv my SB6910 ;) ;)
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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Well, i went to H.I.S Hose today to find some fittings and copper pipe.......the thread is not a normal thread and cant be purchased.....the fittings have to be ordered from sunbeam...

    ahh well....keep hunting i guess. :( :( :(

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E31283F3F34695D0 link=1270107424/26#26 date=1270533885
    Well, i went to H.I.S Hose today to find some fittings and copper pipe.......the thread is not a normal thread and cant be purchased.....the *fittings have to be ordered from sunbeam...

    ahh well....keep hunting i guess. :( :( :(
    As I said previously Gas fitting...

    As they are available in Brisbane... Mel should be at least on par..

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    which store did you use, Ive use H.I.S and reece.....I would have thought H.I.S would have them but he couldnt match up the thread.
    What kind of store was it???

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E41584F4F44192D0 link=1270107424/28#28 date=1270534825
    which store did you use, Ive use H.I.S and reece.....I would have thought H.I.S would have them but he couldnt match up the thread.
    What kind of store was it???
    Posted previously... Gas supplier.. Over near Gilkatho Online


    They do commercial and domestic gas appliances... *Many of the fittings used in coffee machines are of a gas type. *Others suppliers often do not carry gas fittings as many are special and thus can not assist.

    That why some of the fittings are not tapered but parallel.... Now Watson... I think its time for my nanna nap...


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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    still cant get my hands on those stupid gas fittings...im sick of driving all over melbourne.... :( :( :( :(

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Quote Originally Posted by 77786176767D20140 link=1270107424/30#30 date=1270633528
    cant get my hands on those stupid gas fittings
    Have you tried this mob? Their Brisbane branch is like Aladdins cave.

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    Re: Sunbeam 6910 Collar Replacement

    Yeah Caffeol, that was the first place i tried....not even close...

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    I have just had this exact fault occur with mine. It's the result of the brass corroding and the nut seizing onto the copper pipe.

    Any suggestions as to where to get a replacement 90 degree elbow?


    dukbilt

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukbilt View Post
    I have just had this exact fault occur with mine. It's the result of the brass corroding and the nut seizing onto the copper pipe.

    Any suggestions as to where to get a replacement 90 degree elbow?


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    I might have one still. I'll have a look. No promises.

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    That would be great - it seems to be a hard part to find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukbilt View Post
    That would be great - it seems to be a hard part to find!
    Sorry, I forgot all about this. Send me a PM so I remember and I'll have a look later today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukbilt View Post
    That would be great - it seems to be a hard part to find!
    What part exactly do you need? This is all I've got-




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