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    EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Thought Id share some pics of my 6910s worn collar after I changed it myself over the weekend.

    This is after 20 months of use. Only started leaking badly over the last couple of weeks though. After a seal change, descale & some experimentation with dosing, the collar was the likely culprit.

    Enjoy.




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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 60656A6D61682977656A040 link=1275897911/0#0 date=1275897911
    This is after 20 months of use.
    That much wear in only 20 months! was that average home use, or did you flog it hard?

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Nope. One a day - maybe 2.

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 51545B5C50591846545B350 link=1275897911/2#2 date=1275901595
    Nope. One a day - maybe 2.
    Geez Daniel, thats pretty ordinary aint it. :-?

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    What my consumption levels or the collar wear? ;)

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F2A25222E2766382A254B0 link=1275897911/4#4 date=1275903114
    What my consumption levels or the collar wear? ;)
    Collar wear. :)

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 073B322A3F5E0 link=1275897911/1#1 date=1275900806
    Quote Originally Posted by 60656A6D61682977656A040 link=1275897911/0#0 date=1275897911
    This is after 20 months of use.
    That much wear in only 20 months! was that average home use, or did you flog it hard?
    Well ya level... Most tend to damage one side much harder than the other..

    As per the dozen or so I have seen and worked on etc.. I would have to say OD... *Sorry... Ignore all the 3mm / 5 mm etc etc every machine is different to some extent... Then I have also seen people put in spacers ahead of time... Opps... Tight at almost 7.00 *I guess I will have to tug harder..

    The last user had biceps that made scollops ( Those at the meet will know) look like that weakling in the old *"Kick sand in face" adds from the fifties.

    5 cent piece... And get to know the feel... Close ya eyes... Use ya sensors and not NUMBERS...

    If ya feel it tighten up; then coffee is being forced onto the shower screen..

    A correct dose should be the same as using an empty basket.. *Try it , feel it... Empty is the norm..

    Put and tamp coffee... If ya go to lock in and ya have to give an extra tug... Then your just tamped the coffee with the shower screen - Up dosing a bit... If ya have to think / pause or feel the biceps flex a bit = OVERDOSING..

    End of seagull swoop and dive.

    Those that got a look at a couple of teh collars at the meet yesterday; will be able to verify...



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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 393C33343831702E3C335D0 link=1275897911/0#0 date=1275897911
    Thought Id share some pics of my 6910s worn collar after I changed it myself over the weekend.
    nice pics, what camera did you use?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1C333A382F103C333C3A38303833295D0 link=1275897911/6#6 date=1275904211
    As per the dozen or so I have seen and worked on etc.. I would have to say OD...
    over dosing? I had a laugh.

    *Sorry... Ignore all the 3mm / 5 mm etc etc every machine is different to some extent... Then I have also seen people put in spacers ahead of time... Opps... Tight at almost 7.00 *I guess I will have to tug harder..
    whats this 3mm / 5mm you talk about? And spacers? where? 7.00 what? I have no idea what youre on about, but wanting to know :)

    If ya feel it tighten up; then coffee is being forced onto the shower screen..
    Its not supposed to touch the screen at all right? Or is a light touch ok?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B737B7C7670120 link=1275897911/7#7 date=1275912522

    whats this 3mm / 5mm you talk about?

    And spacers? *

    where? *

    7.00 what?

    *I have no idea what youre on about, but wanting to know *
    Dosing level as to the diff between the lip of the basket and the top of the coffee in the basket..

    - People think coffee is by numbers and some where it will be stated (manuals even) *tamp to a depth of *Xmm and 15kg.


    - When groups start to stretch etc and or group seals are no longer available at a certain thickness... You can get spacers.. *Sunbeam and most others commercial Manufacturers have them available... US poor people make our own.. Bit of cardboard.

    - Spaces between the Group head and the group seal *;) *Some people check an old system out and go... Look the group still locks at 6:00 ( Handle point straight at you).. *The collar / group head could be almost buggered but the put in over sized group seals and or spacers... *Thus it locks and look OK.. * * Things are not always as they appear.

    - If it locks in and tight usually at 6:00 or towards 5:00 ( think of looking down on a clock face) and that is the norm... Get to know the feel..

    Ya dose and go to lock in and it is TIGHT at 7:00 then that say what ? *Yep ya got way too much coffee in the basket. Sure you can force it to 6:00... But ya have just used the shower screen to tamp even harder and given no space for the coffee to expand.. OPPS *= *CHOKE * If no choke *= too course a grind or stale beans..

    You have to manage the variables... *The machine has no control over the process, it is up to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B737B7C7670120 link=1275897911/7#7 date=1275912522
    Its not supposed to touch the screen at all right? *Or is a light touch ok?
    Lots of discussion... 5 cent piece test is a good place to start... It is not the be all and end all of dosing...

    Check what in ya cup... If it is good.. *Then that is what counts..

    Just remember... If your ODing and having to lock it in with force to get that shot... That is not good for the machine and you need to reconsider what else might be at play... *

    PS... Mate had a couple of people drop in to his place in Brisbane; looking for a job. *They had papers and had completed a 4 hr training session and now call themselves baristas.

    As *Chris (talk coffee ) i think said / implied the other day... Been at it for years and still not a Barista..... *I will never be a Barista... Might understand a bit and fix a thing ore two, roast some as well... But not a Barista...

    It is a balancing act... Grind size / dose level and tamp... *

    A good shot can be had on any system.. A great shot is only ever provided by the person pulling the shot and a Barista will do it every time *8-)

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    ah.

    I wont take this further off topic, but thanks :)

    *looking for a 5c piece*

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    Quote Originally Posted by 222A22252F294B0 link=1275897911/9#9 date=1275917996
    ah.

    I wont take this further off topic, but thanks :)

    *looking for a 5c piece*
    not off topic.. Ya do it wrong ya get a stuffed collar..

    Sorry... do they still have them in Darwin ;)

    What about a sixpence.. Has the correct silver content.. Thus more food safe than a 5 cent piece ;D

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 2820282F2523410 link=1275897911/7#7 date=1275912522
    nice pics, what camera did you use?
    Canon 40D w/ 50mm 1.4 & kenko extension tubes for the macro.

    Quote Originally Posted by 002F2624330C202F2026242C242F35410 link=1275897911/6#6 date=1275904211
    As per the dozen or so I have seen and worked on etc.. I would have to say OD...Sorry... Ignore all the 3mm / 5 mm etc etc every machine is different to some extent... Then I have also seen people put in spacers ahead of time... Opps... Tight at almost 7.00I guess I will have to tug harder..
    Dont apologize. Im certain you are right re: the over dosing. I have since changed my dosing technique & locking in force to increase the life of this collar. I think I was too heavy handed locking in before - always trying to lock in at >6 oclock, when 6:30 was probably sufficient.

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 393C33343831702E3C335D0 link=1275897911/11#11 date=1275948353
    I think I was too heavy handed locking in before - always trying to lock in at >6 oclock, when 6:30 was probably sufficient.
    I gather from this that most machines have a continuous thread for the group?

    The Breville has a "stop" at about 5:00, so no matter how strong you feel, youre going to lock at the same spot (kind of a like a quarter turn tap). I guess that overcomes some of the over-tightening, but doesnt give any room for extra-tightening when the seals start to go.

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Hi fellow snobs.

    I found this topic interesting... I am about to start looking for a reputable Sunbeam repair centre for my 6910. Note I have had theis machine for 2.5 years and not a single glitch til llast month...

    Similar to the discussion here, i have come to the conclusion that my 6910 needs a new collar - having replaced a seal, it is still leaking from where the basket meets the collar. So my questions to any of you who have gone through this are:
    1. Where do I buy a new collar from?
    2. Are there any instructions/assembly diagrams available to follow? An initial attempt to disassemble the 6910 failed...
    3. Any of you here ahd a good experience with a (passionate) repair centre in Melbourne (if all else fails...)

    Your help would be greatly appreciated!

    K. Williams

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7864130 link=1275897911/13#13 date=1275966846
    Hi fellow snobs.

    I found this topic interesting... I am about to start looking for a reputable Sunbeam repair centre for my 6910. Note I have had theis machine for 2.5 years and not a single glitch til llast month...

    Similar to the discussion here, i have come to the conclusion that my 6910 needs a new collar - having replaced a seal, it is still leaking from where the basket meets the collar. So my questions to any of you who have gone through this are:
    1. Where do I buy a new collar from?
    2. Are there any instructions/assembly diagrams available to follow? An initial attempt to disassemble the 6910 failed...
    3. Any of you here ahd a good experience with a (passionate) repair centre in Melbourne (if all else fails...)

    Your help would be greatly appreciated!

    K. Williams
    Would love to help you... But have had no first hand experience with others out side of QLD.

    1: Get a spacer from sunbeam or make one

    2: Mod ya group lugs and you will be ok for about another 12 months at least.

    Repair..

    1: Aprox $65 for teh collar

    2: Labour and other costs... Highly variable..

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    Thank you AngerManagement! That was quick...

    I will follow up with Sunbeam - it amazes me how they would sell spacers and not get the bloody design and material right for the collar.................

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    Quote Originally Posted by 514D3A0 link=1275897911/15#15 date=1275968191
    Thank you AngerManagement! That was quick...

    I will follow up with Sunbeam - it amazes me how they would sell spacers and not get the bloody design and material right for the collar.................
    All suppliers have spacers... All groups suffer from use and abuse... Some are an absolute scream when ya see them.. ( One the other day ( large commercial machine: had an 8.5mm group seal with 3 lots of spacers.. Other group only had an 8.1mm group seal)

    A few of us long timers have often stated... The lugs and the group material...

    To me; the Lugs are the biggest issue; next to strong arm users *:( :(

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    are you serious you changed it yourself?did anyone help you?

    how hard was it to remove the tiny little screws that hold the steam and hot water controls in place. i bet they gave you hell, especially if you didnt have the right screwdriver??

    good job daniel-san! you should go into a service and repairs business from home! :D

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 44582F0 link=1275897911/13#13 date=1275966846
    reputable Sunbeam repair centre
    Is this an oxymoron? ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71746A7F2624100 link=1275897911/17#17 date=1276081805
    are you serious you changed it yourself?did anyone help you?

    how hard was it to remove the tiny little screws that hold the steam and hot water controls in place. i bet they gave you hell, especially if you didnt have the right screwdriver??

    good job daniel-san! you should go into a service and repairs business from home! :D
    THanks ADZO64. I did have some help from a fellow CSer who shall remain nameless. They did a great job stripping the heads off those screws with the wrong screwdriver - which was pretty annoying as he has a bunnings practically right next door to his house.

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by 71746A7F2624100 link=1275897911/17#17 date=1276081805
    are you serious you changed it yourself?did anyone help you?

    how hard was it to remove the tiny little screws that hold the steam and hot water controls in place. i bet they gave you hell, especially if you didnt have the right screwdriver??

    good job daniel-san! you should go into a service and repairs business from home! :D

    It is all a simple 5 min job to pull down... Swapping teh collar can take a few more..... Depending on if locking compound used..


    THanks ADZO64. I did have some help from a fellow CSer who shall remain nameless. They did a great job stripping the heads off those screws with the wrong screwdriver - which was pretty annoying as he has a bunnings practically right next door to his house.
    Stripped what Threads ?? Never done before.. Dont let them use a Sunbeam... Sounds like you would end up with a stuffed collar very shortly after..

    Did any one; follow any of teh guides ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 152920382D4C0 link=1275897911/18#18 date=1276135412
    Quote Originally Posted by 44582F0 link=1275897911/13#13 date=1275966846
    reputable Sunbeam repair centre
    Is this an oxymoron? *;D
    No... It should be called "User re Edumaction Centre" ;D

    The Local one is great and well worth while..

    Was in to get a group seal and ths one customer was off their rocker.. Did not like being told the problem would not be covered under warranty.. I later found out that a hard NON food product and a blender; did not have good results.

    Apparently Sunbeam has alot to answer for ;D (yes - It went so far as staff being frightened and police called..)


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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F70797B6C537F707F797B737B706A1E0 link=1275897911/20#20 date=1276143316
    a hard NON food product and a blender
    Remands me of a project I embarked on over 30 years ago, needed a small quantity of soy bean meal, could not buy it but whole dry soy beans were available, bought some and decided the small electric coffee grinder we had would be up to the task, in go the beans, on with the lid, hit the switch------- whirr, bang, rattle, clatter----- lifted the lid, soy beans intact and the rotating blade whirligig was lying in a two piece mangled mess in the bottom of the grinder, geez those beans are hard.
    Guess I should have claimed on warranty. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 46696062754A66696660626A626973070 link=1275897911/20#20 date=1276143316
    I later found out that a hard NON food product and a blender; did not have good results. *
    Wrong blender. Need this one.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1ckCkm8YI

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    reputable Sunbeam repair centre

    Is this an oxymoron?

    no there is a few of us, but we are the ones with 4-5 weeks turnaround

    graham

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    Re: EM6910 Worn Collar Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C53423A0 link=1275897911/23#23 date=1276405099
    reputable Sunbeam repair centre

    Is this an oxymoron?

    no there is a few of us, but we are the ones with 4-5 weeks turnaround

    graham *
    Ye in Qld it has blown out from 10 days to 15 day (working). Not due to Sunbeam alone... But the good service places get lumbered with more work because they are good....

    But most want it yesterday and thus blame teh service person or teh product.

    Hang in he FIX... Stay true to teh cause.



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