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    Hello, what a great website. I have spent many hours here the past week gathering info on which gear to buy. Narrowed it down to 2 and would like to put it to more experienced people than I.
    Im after longevity without spending over $1000 for both machine and grinder combined. So..my thoughts are either the Lelit combi or the Gaggia classic (with rancillio silvia steam arm) combined with either the SunbeamEM0480 or Nemox Lux grinder.
    I drink my coffee with milk, preferably doppio flat white or doppio short latte and am very fussy for a milk drinker. When I was a barista I used a San Marino and Mazzer, so Im hoping that hasnt spoilt me too much to go sub $1000.
    Do you think the machinery I have mentioned is the best way to go in this price bracket? And any thoughts on if one is better than the other?
    Cheers :D

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Welcome Juney.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    If I was in your position, Id opt for the Lelit before the Classic. Its almost the same physical specification under the bonnet as a Silvia. This coupled with excellent build quality and materials, it would last you for many, many years with the proviso that its looked after.

    Probably the main reason Id side-step the Classic is the design of its Boiler... Made from cast Aluminium with the heating element cast into it as well. It needs more care with regard to maintenance than the Lelit as a result, since Al corrosion can become a problem over time. The Boilers are not too expensive to replace though, to combat this. The great thing with Lelit style machines is that the heating element can be replaced independently of the Boiler (if ever required) but this should be a very rare event given good operating technique and adequate maintenance.

    The grinder included with the Lelit is a Lux unit coupled with infinitely variable grind adjustment. These are considered to be an excellent little grinder and favoured by several respected coffee industry professionals. They are a little noisy though but I used to have a stand-alone stepped adjuster version so a unit enclosed within the casing of the Combi may not be as noisy. Best thing is to try and get some hands-on demos with one or more of our Site Sponsors if possible, as this will give you the best idea of what to expect.

    All of our Site Sponsors are listed on the L/H side of the page and the Email Address to contact all of them with your requirements and location details can be found right at the bottom of this list.

    All the best and have fun with your research.... :)

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Thanks Mal, much appreciated.
    Re, the aluminium boiler - can they still be problematic with corrosion if filtered water is used? If that is actually the case then I will go with the Lelit Combi.
    Woohoo, the anticipation of having real coffee at home has got me very excited. Cant wait.
    Once Ive confirmed re. the corrosion Ill email the sponsors to find out who stocks my choice of coffee bliss hardwear. YAHE
    Cheers,
    Juney ;D

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    Hi again Juney.... :)

    Re: the corrosion with Al Boilers.... Its more to do with the pH value of the water being used more so than the use of filters (or not). Over time, pretty well all Al Boilers will corrode to some degree and require specific knowledge to counteract adequately. I think the Lelit style of machines are just a better machine overall, easy to look after (some minor learning involved initially) and will retain a higher resale value if you ever want to sell and upgrade.

    I know that a lot of people really push the Silvia/Rocky combo (justifiably so of course) but the Lelit et al perform within a gnats whisker of the Silvia and for significantly less money. The money you initially save can then be put towards Home Roasting gear for example or left in the bank for when the upgrade itch strikes.

    The main difference between the Classic, the Silvia and a Lelit, is that the Lelit uses 57mm Baskets and Group Handle whereas the others use the standard 58mm commercial Baskets. I dont see this as a big issue though, as the baskets that ship with the Lelit are of decent quality and easy to use, i.e. there is no retaining ridge on the baskets which can run foul of a Tamper Base in certain situations.

    Best thing by far of course is to try and get into a specialist retailers premises who stock the Lelit and go for a test drive. Im sure you will be very impressed with what they deliver..... 8-)

    All the best,
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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Hi Mal,

    Excellent. Thanks heaps. Youre a legend. The Lelit is on!

    From what I have read thro this site I think its only available in Sydney and Melbourne , so Ill email the sponsors to see if anyone In BrisVegas has them these days.

    Must be feeling the cold out in Warwick these past few mornings..chiiily! Great coffee drinkin weather (and red wine).

    Thanks again,
    Juney ;D

    ps time for me to move on to roasting info now.....thatll be the reading obsession for the next week. 8-)


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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A626B6D60686863070 link=1276130303/4#4 date=1276414950
    Hi Mal,

    Excellent. Thanks heaps. Youre a legend. The Lelit is on!

    From what I have read thro this site I think its only available in Sydney and Melbourne....
    Hi Juney,

    Correct you are ;)

    There is no further stock until mid-July.

    The combi is only available from Cuppacoffee and Talk Coffee and both businesses are taking deposits from those wishing to reserve a machine from the coming shipment.

    Hope that helps...

    Chris

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B535A5C51595952360 link=1276130303/4#4 date=1276414950
    From what I have read thro this site I think its only available in Sydney and Melbourne , so Ill email the sponsors to see if anyone In BrisVegas has them these days.
    Dont think anyone in Brissie sells them, that I know of.... Both Cuppacoffee and Talk Coffee do though and I think one or two others sell the Fenice range of machines, basically the same machine (from the same factory) but slightly different cosmetically. Under the bonnet, everything is the same.

    As Chris mentions above though, the next shipment is not due in until July and they will sell quickly.... ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B535A5C51595952360 link=1276130303/4#4 date=1276414950
    Must be feeling the cold out in Warwick these past few mornings..chiiily! Great coffee drinkin weather (and red wine).
    Has been a smidgen nippy the last few mornings, down to -3.0C on Saturday and -2.0C this morning. As you say though, it has its benefits.... ::)

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B535A5C51595952360 link=1276130303/4#4 date=1276414950
    Thanks again,
    Juney *;D
    Youre most welcome matey.... :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B535A5C51595952360 link=1276130303/4#4 date=1276414950
    ps time for me to move on to roasting info now.....thatll be the reading *obsession for the next week. *8-)
    There wont be any stopping you once this bug has bitten you. Freshly home-roasted beans from BeanBay just cant be beaten. Its heaps of fun to do and then theres the excellent by product. Just too good..... 8-) ;D

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Thanks Mal and Juney, after spending time on the website and driving my wife insane, you have helped me make my mind up. I will go with the Lelit as well, am presently using a Krups 4080(i think) am looking forward to upgrading. Was looking at the EM6910 but after reading posts will not go down that path. Once again thank you and thanks for the inspiration.

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    Welcome "ChrisMac".... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    Im sure you will be very impressed with the quality of espresso from the Lelit. Great machines and punch way over their weight in this sector of the market. Look forward to reading more posts from you too, as you travel down the road towards coffee nirvana..... ;) 8-)

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Hi ChrisMac,
    Glad to have been of help. I also drove my partner crazy once I had found this website.
    I guess by now youve discovered that our machine of choice is not currently available....how torturous is that!
    Im on this site again to try and find out if the imat or nemox is currently available and how simiilar they are. Let me know if youve had any luck finding a lelit combi.
    Cheers :)
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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Hey guys!
    Ive sent an email through to cuppacoffee.. So excited about getting a new machine. I hope theres plenty of Lelit Combis to go around this winter!

    PS. First post! Woohoo!! ;D

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Im pretty sure everyone knows that one major fallback with the Lelit / Nemox / Quaha is that is has a non-commercial sized 57mm portafilter which restricts aftermarket purchases for these machines..

    Quick question: How come the Lelit website says it has a 58mm portafilter?
    This is a quote from the page for the PL042 (combi)
    "Special chromium plated portafilter that can be used either with ground coffee or coffee pods (external diameter - 64 mm, internal - 58 mm)"
    ??

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Quote Originally Posted by 0A27232F224E0 link=1276130303/3#3 date=1276349944
    The main difference between the Classic, the Silvia and a Lelit, is that the Lelit uses 57mm Baskets and Group Handle whereas the others use the standard 58mm commercial Baskets. I dont see this as a big issue though, as the baskets that ship with the Lelit are of decent quality and easy to use, i.e. there is no retaining ridge on the baskets which can run foul of a Tamper Base in certain situations.
    This was mentioned above and I still dont believe it to be a deal-breaker - But, each to his/her own.... ::)

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    Re: lelit combi vs gaggia classic

    Quote Originally Posted by 44696D616C000 link=1276130303/12#12 date=1278518017
    This was mentioned above and I still dont believe it to be a deal-breaker - But, each to his/her own....
    After owning a Lelit Combi (before Mr Giotto came along) I can wholeheartedly agree with Mal in his recommendation. A good, simple machine that is capable of making very good coffee.

    The 57mm basket size was definitely NOT an issue (the baskets were quite a decent size and, if anything, the slightly reduced diameter may assist in reducing channeling). I got a nice 57 mm tamper (should have got a Pullman but) and even got a bottomless group handle crafted by another CSer.

    I liked the in-built grinder, both in its in-built design (reduces the need for additional space and has only one power lead) and in the quality of grind. It is noisy but.

    I havent used a Gaggia Classic, but I know they have their supporters (where is Lucinda these days?), subject to the Silvia steam wand upgrade. I had heard some time back that they may have been switching to stainless steel boilers instead of aluminium, dont know if that happened. Regardless, the boiler is a fair bit smaller than the Lelits 300ml brass unit (I think about 180ml).



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