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    Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

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    Have been using a manual Sunbeam EM3800 for a couple of years now and its on its last legs.

    Was thinking about sticking with Sunbeam and going for the 6910 but the more I read it sounds like a Silvia might be the way to go. My EM3800 is entirely manual and I like that so from what I can tell the Silvia wouldnt be that different apart from the priming bit? Whats the deal with the priming?

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    I think youll be happy if you went with the Silvia instead of Sunbeam just because of the boiler rather then the thermoblock (especially if you like milk based drinks).
    Have you got a grinder? No grinder = no Silvia.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Personally, Id be recommending one of these before a Silvia.... http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/s...lelit-pl041em/ Much better bang for buck and internally theres not much difference. I used to own a similar machine for several years and it consistently produced excellent coffee. If you dont already own a decent grinder, then the Lelit Combo machine may be a better option and quite a few of our Site Sponsors sell them.... 8-)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0825212D204C0 link=1278985808/2#2 date=1279027498
    Personally, Id be recommending one of these before a Silvia.... http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/lelit-pl041em/ *Much better bang for buck and internally theres not much difference
    I was going to drop the Lelit bomb too - hense the leaving the grinder in the equation so I could mention the lelit combi. Ive bought mine. Friday Ill pick it up and let you know how she runs.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 674A4E424F230 link=1278985808/2#2 date=1279027498
    Personally, Id be recommending one of these before a Silvia....
    Me too.....

    We dropped Silvia from our range after the major Melbourne importer jacked up wholesale price substantially and then retailed them at wholesale + 20 bucks...

    To me, it means that a Silvia should be retailing at more like $700-750...I smell rats >:(

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    All things being equal the Lelit looks to be every bit as good as the Silvia, Alan Frew certainly seems to think so.
    The one point that would stop me dead is the 57mm PF group head, it closes so many options, what were they thinking? otherwise it looks pretty good. :)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 546861796C0D0 link=1278985808/5#5 date=1279104287
    the 57mm PF group head, it closes so many options
    Such as?

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5147424253515D54545757320 link=1278985808/6#6 date=1279104438
    Quote Originally Posted by 546861796C0D0 link=1278985808/5#5 date=1279104287
    the 57mm PF group head, it closes so many options
    Such as?
    Think yer having a lend of me, dont think I need to list em. ;)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B474E5643220 link=1278985808/7#7 date=1279104739
    Think yer having a lend of me, dont think I need to list em
    No really, I think you should list them. Not a good idea to make a statement like that without backing it up. It has a strong potential to influence perceptions.

    Heres a little list of why I dont have an issue with 57mm:

    1) There are several commercial machines with other than 58mm sizes and they dont have a problem.

    2) Good quality 57mm tampers are readily available. Even Espro have one.

    3) And of course you can have one custom made, as do many people who have a 58mm basket.

    Over to you!

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    And...

    The Baskets that ship with the Lelit et al are a damn sight better than those that ship with the Silvia and a few other machines....

    Mal.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A7C7979686A666F6F6C6C090 link=1278985808/8#8 date=1279105589
    There are several commercial machines with other than 58mm sizes and they dont have a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by 6A7C7979686A666F6F6C6C090 link=1278985808/8#8 date=1279105589
    I think you should list them.
    ;)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0834293238392E3B33385C0 link=1278985808/10#10 date=1279110596
    Quote Originally Posted by 6A7C7979686A666F6F6C6C090 link=1278985808/8#8 date=1279105589
    There are several commercial machines with other than 58mm sizes and they dont have a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by 6A7C7979686A666F6F6C6C090 link=1278985808/8#8 date=1279105589
    I think you should list them. *
    ;)
    If thats a request for me to provide a list, then:
    San Marco - 53mm
    La Spaziale - 53mm
    Pasquini - 57mm
    Reneka - 56mm
    Dalla Corte - 54mm
    Cimbali - 57mm
    Unic - 56mm
    Aurora - 56mm

    Enough?

    Now, Im still interested to hear Jon support his earlier remark. ::)


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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A4C4949585A565F5F5C5C390 link=1278985808/11#11 date=1279149546
    Enough?
    Yes; thanks.
    Makes it easier for me to weigh up both sides of the discussion (when we get the other side *;) ).

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 55787C707D110 link=1278985808/9#9 date=1279110464
    And...

    The Baskets that ship with the Lelit et al are a damn sight better than those that ship with the Silvia and a few other machines....

    Mal.
    Would not be difficult, the first thing I replaced on my Silvia was the basket. :)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Hi Guys
    Sorry for posting then disappearing! Thought the site would email when I got a reply but it didnt...

    Grinder - I have a Sunbeam EM0480 conical burr which should do the job for now???

    Not too fussed re: the PF size - I dont expect Ill be making any changes from what arrives in the box.

    With the boiler models Im worried about warm up time as I dont usually have 20-30 minutes to spare before work! I see some people put their boiler machines on timers but others dont recommend it? How can you do this anyway if you need to prime the machine when it is turned on or is it OK so long as you leave the boiler full each time you switch off?

    Any comments?

    Thanks for the advice guys.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 556960786D0C0 link=1278985808/5#5 date=1279104287
    All things being equal the Lelit looks to be every bit as good as the Silvia, Alan Frew certainly seems to think so.
    The one point that would stop me dead is the 57mm PF group head, it closes so many options, what were they thinking? otherwise it looks pretty good.
    I am looking at the Lelit to use in the office at work. There are many good reviews around of this machine.
    Why do you see the 57mm PF group head as a problem? Pardon my ignorance but this is the first time I have come across the opinion that PF group head size needs to be considered.
    Are you able to shed some light on this?
    Thanks in advance.
    Stan.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7572676865060 link=1278985808/15#15 date=1279251121
    Quote Originally Posted by 556960786D0C0 link=1278985808/5#5 date=1279104287
    All things being equal the Lelit looks to be every bit as good as the Silvia, Alan Frew certainly seems to think so.
    The one point that would stop me dead is the 57mm PF group head, it closes so many options, what were they thinking? otherwise it looks pretty good.
    I am looking at the Lelit to use in the office at work. There are many good reviews around of this machine.
    Why do you see the 57mm PF group head as a problem? Pardon my ignorance but this is the first time I have come across the opinion that PF group head size needs to be considered.
    Are you able to shed some light on this?
    Thanks in advance.
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    It would seem Jon has selective vision.

    Ive taken the liberty of highlighting your question in red as it may draw his attention.

    Perhaps then he might grace us all with a response to your question and my request. ::)


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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Seems people are getting a little sidetracked... any chance we could go back to my queries re: warming time??

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2630353524262A23232020450 link=1278985808/16#16 date=1279259462
    Quote Originally Posted by 7572676865060 link=1278985808/15#15 date=1279251121
    Quote Originally Posted by 556960786D0C0 link=1278985808/5#5 date=1279104287
    All things being equal the Lelit looks to be every bit as good as the Silvia, Alan Frew certainly seems to think so.
    The one point that would stop me dead is the 57mm PF group head, it closes so many options, what were they thinking? otherwise it looks pretty good.
    I am looking at the Lelit to use in the office at work. There are many good reviews around of this machine.
    Why do you see the 57mm PF group head as a problem? Pardon my ignorance but this is the first time I have come across the opinion that PF group head size needs to be considered.
    Are you able to shed some light on this?
    Thanks in advance.
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    It would seem Jon has selective vision. *

    Ive taken the liberty of highlighting your question in red as it may draw his attention. *

    Perhaps then he might grace us all with a response to your question and my request. *::)
    Ive expressed an opinion Cuppa, and have nothing further to add.
    This is my last post to the thread. :)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    aaaaaaaand back to my questions.... :)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F69626366425B0C0 link=1278985808/19#19 date=1279274615
    aaaaaaaand back to my questions.... :)
    Very similar to a Silvia I would imagine (Ive never owned or played with a Silvia but am very familiar with its design) and maybe, even a little quicker. All in all though, I wouldnt work on anything less than 45 minutes to make sure everything is up to temperature....

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Thanks Mal
    Wow - 40 minutes is a long time! How long to produce an average result that will satisfy a morning pre-work caffeine requirement? Great coffee can be a weekend job... The Lelit site says 3 minutes to heat up - surely there is a happy medium between the two...

    Unless I use a timer which sounds like a dangerous proposition...

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 50666D6C694D54030 link=1278985808/21#21 date=1279327637
    Thanks Mal
    Wow - 40 minutes is a long time! How long to produce an average result that will satisfy a morning pre-work caffeine requirement? Great coffee can be a weekend job... The Lelit site says 3 minutes to heat up - surely there is a happy medium between the two...

    Unless I use a timer which sounds like a dangerous proposition...
    Lies, lies, lies....All machines need at least 30 minutes....Do a search on the term cheat Silvia for some tips

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F39323336120B5C0 link=1278985808/21#21 date=1279327637
    Unless I use a timer which sounds like a dangerous proposition...
    Why dangerous?

    The only problem Ive had with my timer was recently discovering the back up batteries were dead.
    This meant that after the electrician had been to install a new light that the internal clock had reset to midnight and the machine didnt come on as usual the next morning.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Ok so I havent had my LeLit for very long, and Im still getting to know the machine (and fine tune my skills), but I havent noticed a difference between letting the machine warm-up for 3 mins or 30mins. *ducks and run for cover from the OlSmokeys*

    SenojNW Im very happy with my choice of a LeLit PL041 and a Compak K3T grinder, both performance wise and price wise. There is plenty of room for improvement, but my 3min warm-up coffees are more than satisfactory for my needs first thing on a busy morning...... :-*

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Why dangerous?
    Just have read in a few places that its a bit risky incase the brew button has been accidentally flicked and it runs dry while you slumber... but have read mixed reports... some say its fine others dont... guess its just a matter of whether you can live with the risk.

    I never give my Sunbeam longer than say 10 min warming time so Id say Im not getting optimal results now anyway...

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A757F6E1A0 link=1278985808/24#24 date=1279329400
    I havent noticed a difference between letting the machine warm-up for 3 mins or 30mins.
    You will grasshopper....Wax on, wax off ;)

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 415E5445310 link=1278985808/24#24 date=1279329400
    my 3min warm-up coffees are more than satisfactory for my needs first thing on a busy morning...... :-*
    Thanks poet - I think being a CS noob I would probably fall into the same category. Even if I use a short warming time Im probably going to see an improvement just from moving from a low to mid range machine...

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Definitely SenojNW, but dont forget the grinder probably will make the biggest difference (as Im sure others with far more knowledge will tell you) .........

    Good luck, Im having a ball on my coffee journey, and cant wait until I move on from tweaking machines and skills to exploring beans and roasting * :D

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4C5359483C0 link=1278985808/28#28 date=1279330850
    but dont forget the grinder probably will make the biggest difference
    Yeah I made that discovery when I initially got a cheap smasher/blender type grinder with my EM3800 - I upgraded to a Sunbeam conical burr (EM0480) which isnt the greatest but the difference was huge. Existing grinder should do the job for now.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 110E0415610 link=1278985808/24#24 date=1279329400
    SenojNW Im very happy with my choice of a LeLit PL041 and a Compak K3T grinder, both performance wise and price wise. There is plenty of room for improvement, but my 3min warm-up coffees are more than satisfactory for my needs first thing on a busy morning...... :-*
    Hey poet, did you but a package deal? Place of purchase and rough price?? interested in similar set up. cheers.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Hi Kammy, have sent a PM to you.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    thanks poet, by the way does anyone know the diff between the PL041 AND PL041EM?

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A707C7C68110 link=1278985808/32#32 date=1279364461
    thanks poet, by the way does anyone know the diff between the PL041 AND PL041EM?
    The 041EM, from the pictures, has push buttons instead of retro toggle switches and a pressure gauge where the 041 has none.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    Quote Originally Posted by 497F747570544D1A0 link=1278985808/25#25 date=1279329435
    Why dangerous?
    Just have read in a few places that its a bit risky incase the brew button has been accidentally flicked and it runs dry while you slumber... but have read mixed reports... some say its fine others dont... guess its just a matter of whether you can live with the risk.
    I did this once. *:-[

    My Expobar has a low water cutout switch that turns the element off if too much water is emptied from the tank.
    Luckily for me it has a 2 litre drip tray and only two or three drops made it onto the benchtop.

    So the timer isnt an issue.

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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    After playing with the Lelit for a month or so I can tell you that it heaTs up well under 30 minutes.
    At about 15 minutes its too hot to touch the group head. And the cup warming plate is well warm.

    I usually put the pf in and then turn it on just before I jump in the shower in the mornings. I then have a shower and once Im dressed - shes ready ~15 minutes.

    Let us know any further thoughts or questions you have SenojNW.



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    Re: Time for a machine upgrade - from Sunbeam to Silvia?

    yep, ive found it the same... get up, turn on lelit, have shower, get dressed, do hair... feed starving cat (or so she thinks) about 20 minutes all up for me and the machine is well and truly warm. you could always run some water through if you dont think the PF is warm enough.

    The coffee tastes fantastic and this morning i managed to make coffee, cook toast, eat toast and drink coffee plus clean the group head (water only) in about 15 minutes...which is about as long as i used to wait at the local cafe to even get my coffee and breakfast...



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