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    $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    You might be able to get the sunbeam with free grinder deal thats on now for fathers day for $600... depends how generous the sales person is! If they say "sorry cant do any deals because were throwing in the grinder already" then just tell them that Sunbeam is giving the grinder, not the store :)

    But for work - 6 cappuccinos at once might take a while on a sunbeam. Even our Jura can seem slow when theres a queue.

    How about a plunger or drip and a good grinder? Coupled with a standalone milk frother, you could get some great coffee, and do all six cups at once! If youve tried plunger coffee before and dont like it, try it again with real fresh ground beans from a real grinder - first time I did I had to make another just to see if I was imagining things!

    But you have a Minore and a Macap - will you really be pleased with a sunbeam?

    just some thoughts... now back to removing that rusted screw... :)

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Youre right iaindb, bit of a drop in quality from the Minore III but I figure it has to be better than the dishwater we get from the local cafe. I hope that with freshly roasted beans we should still get a respectable drop.

    I have never been a big fan of the plunger but in fairness I cannot recall ever having tried it with fresh, quality beans so may be worth giving it a go.

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Is this a good time to try & experience a different brew method

    Greek?Turkish coffee
    Set up is cheap

    KK

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    I do enjoy turkish, problem is that my fellow collegues are not as open minded.

    They will want to drink milk based coffee.

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3B322C6968580 link=1282867425/2#2 date=1282874094
    I have never been a big fan of the plunger but in fairness I cannot recall ever having tried it with fresh, quality beans so may be worth giving it a go.
    Quote Originally Posted by 3B322C6968580 link=1282867425/4#4 date=1282875445
    They will want to drink milk based coffee.
    Take your grinder and some good beans in for a day, buy / borrow a plunger, and see if you all like it. Then tell them they can add a milk frother if required.

    I got my best plunger results by grinding fine and not leaving it long before pouring. YMMV.

    If not you can keep chasing the sunbeam.

    just a thought :)

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    via venezia (new style) available here:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1264389477/14#14

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Take this any way you like....just my opinion...but avoid the temptation for buy a Sunbeam em6910. They look impressive and do make a good coffee but are riddled with problems and reliability issues. The support is also pretty average. Just look at the countless problems within this forum surrounding this machine.

    My opinion ( and wasted $700 )

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Id suggest you all put an extra $40.00 each into the kitty (not much in the grand scheme of things - just another 6 commercial lattes each) and put your money towards getting a Lelit Combi from one of the site sponsors - being in Melbourne, Talk Coffee would probably be your closest. That way you get a good, reliable machine with 12 months warranty on top of it, plus free support for questions, etc.

    The Combi has a good quality grinder built into it and is simple enough for all six of you to use and puts out a great coffee.

    Cheers
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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 302B2A3D7C74767C440 link=1282867425/7#7 date=1282902397
    Take this any way you like....just my opinion...but avoid the temptation for buy a Sunbeam em6910. They look impressive and do make a good coffee but are riddled with problems and reliability issues. The support is also pretty average. *Just look at the countless problems within this forum surrounding this machine.

    My opinion ( and wasted $700 )

    So how does the 6010 and 0408 rate in comparison?? ::)

    Chris

    sometimes it can actually be in the attention to detail.......

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D757D7A7076140 link=1282867425/1#1 date=1282871273
    But you have a Minore and a Macap - will you really be pleased with a sunbeam?
    Ive got an Expobar and Macap and the Sunbeam at work was pretty good (with my fresh beans and a Gaggia grinder).

    6 at a time would be a struggle but maybe they wont all be having their coffee break at the same time.

    Did a really nice plunger coffee a few weeks ago at a friends party.
    Try it.

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 16323B3B38380216322E30325D0 link=1282867425/3#3 date=1282874540
    Is this a good time to try & experience a different brew method

    Greek?Turkish coffee
    Set up is cheap

    KK
    ibrik is sensational.
    i often have ibrik or perk. at home over espresso.
    turkish coffee is great with a little bit of suggar and cinnamon and for those of your mates at work that like milk, add a splash of cream.
    its great.

    and as KK said theyre cheap.. you can usually pick one up for less than $20 - which leaves plenty to get a decent grinder.
    :)

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 290E180A12610 link=1282867425/8#8 date=1282904178
    Id suggest you all put an extra $40.00 each into the kitty (not much in the grand scheme of things - just another 6 commercial lattes each) and put your money towards getting a Lelit Combi from one of the site sponsors - being in Melbourne, Talk Coffee would probably be your closest. *That way you get a good, reliable machine with 12 months warranty on top of it, plus free support for questions, etc.

    The Combi has a good quality grinder built into it and is simple enough for all six of you to use and puts out a great coffee.

    Cheers
    Di
    As much as I love mine as a home machine, I would rather have a SB as a communal machine. Questionable reliability aside, it doesnt need to be primed, less heating time etc and probably much better suited to being (ab)used by non-snobs - its what theyre designed for. The lelit only needs to be run dry or left in steam mode once by a colleague and the element will go, and the brew-steam-brew waiting would start to get old pretty quick.

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Ive also found that people at work (who generally are brought up on cups of instant, not espresso) expect a coffee to be mug sized and boiling. Hence they pump 200ml of water through a single puck, and top it up with milk.

    In this case I think a plunger or perc would give a better tasting coffee. Depends on what they define as "coffee".

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5850585F5553310 link=1282867425/13#13 date=1282952030
    Hence they pump 200ml of water through a single puck, and top it up with milk.
    SO many people do this... And then state they have to add sugar..


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    Quote Originally Posted by 557A73716659757A75737179717A60140 link=1282867425/14#14 date=1282952489
    SO many people do this... And then state they have to add sugar..
    Oh dear, here we go again, bash the poor old sugar user ;) I use sugar, I always have used sugar, I like sugar in my coffee, I prefer white refined sugar, I dont like being treated like something that just crawled out from under a rock because of my preference, and if one more person tries to explain how I can overcome my dreadful addiction I will bloody well scream.
    I always use sugar whether it be in a ristretto, cappuccino or long black.
    Dont take this post too seriously, just felt a compulsion to stick up for the socially outcast sugar addicted minority. :D ;D ::) :-[ ;)

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 38040D1500610 link=1282867425/15#15 date=1282954838
    Quote Originally Posted by 557A73716659757A75737179717A60140 link=1282867425/14#14 date=1282952489
    SO many people do this... And then state they have to add sugar..
    Oh dear, here we go again, bash the poor old sugar user ;) I use sugar, I always have used sugar, I like sugar in my coffee, (snip)

    Add me to this list as well.. (and to the list of 6910 users lamenting the short life they seem to have)....

    Whilst the 6910 does indeed make a nice coffee, having the tanks rot through after 2.5 years is nuts.. The price of repair is half the price of a new one, and even then they wont guarantee how long it will last.. A nice coffee though. I do miss mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 605C554D58390 link=1282867425/15#15 date=1282954838
    Dont take this post too seriously, just felt a compulsion to stick up for the socially outcast sugar addicted minority. *
    Now ya made me CRY..

    I like my sugar as well at times and *always have it in my Iced coffee ( raw sugar is my preference)

    Just think there is a diferance between liking sweet things (my wife) VS having to sugar coat to hide a crap outcome *:o

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D585758575D5C4B0808390 link=1282867425/16#16 date=1282957558
    (and to the list of 6910 users lamenting the short life they seem to have)....
    Arrrrr yes; but we are Australians and are only too quick to post our dis pleasure VS all those that never post because thay have had great service.

    CS and others places are often a focus point for problems.. The up side is that many become educmatied and learn and move forward *8-) *

    Like a complaints / service centre... How many ever ring / contact to say "Get gear guys - Keep up the good work" - Na they only get complaints.... *

    Thus one of the most stressful positions. The service desk *:-X Just look at IT.. *I would suggest the large majority of feedback only happens when it fails... *For that matter not unlike our Hospitals and medical service... *As much as they get creamed in the papers and in Politics; *Australia is one of the few places in the world you actually get real care.

    End of emotional hijack *;)

    I love my DCM - It has never failed me and neither has any of the 10 plus *EM6910s where I have * *instructed people in their use and maintenance *(3 owned - with one now having 3 years in a work place)

    But I do not have enough fingers to count those that have failed and needed assistance from CS or me directly..

    A few with electrical problems;while *the majority are a direct outcome of lack of understanding, misinformation and less than ideal maintenance. *Should people take this personal - NO !

    It is a common issue for many products today where assumptions are made by both the seller and the buyer.

    Thus a good relationship with your Supplier / Sponsor / Service agent; *should see you happy - regardless of your choice of equipment.

    8-) 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D585758575D5C4B0808390 link=1282867425/16#16 date=1282957558
    (and to the list of 6910 users lamenting the short life they seem to have)....
    Arrrrr yes; but we are Australians and are only too quick to post our dis pleasure VS all those that never post because thay have had great service.

    CS and others places are often a focus point for problems.. The up side is that many become educmatied and learn and move forward *8-) [/QUOTE]


    Ah, dont get me wrong.. I loved the 6910.. Still do and may buy another.. Just think it should have lasted longer. Of the three people I called here in Perth to have it serviced, 2 refused saying they were tired of customer complaints about short lifespan because of the tanks/elements leaking and shorting the logic board, and no one wants to accept any responsibility for the lifespan after a repair. All three said it was likely to fail again soon after the repair.

    It may all be fluff, but I dont repair them so I wouldnt know... I was pretty pedantic about the care of it, so much so my wife would just roll her eyes ;-)

    Still, maybe its time to move up. Neither of us cae for the press any more and instant just leaves us choking.. Spoiled for sure.

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E4B444B444E4F581B1B2A0 link=1282871274/17#17 date=1282966615

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D585758575D5C4B0808390 link=1282867425/16#16 date=1282957558
    (and to the list of 6910 users lamenting the short life they seem to have)....

    Arrrrr yes; but we are Australians and are only too quick to post our dis pleasure VS all those that never post because thay have had great service.

    CS and others places are often a focus point for problems.. The up side is that many become educmatied and learn and move forward *8-)

    Ah, *dont get me wrong.. *I loved the 6910.. Still do and may buy another.. *Just think it should have lasted longer. *Of the three people I called here in Perth to have it serviced, 2 refused saying they were tired of customer complaints about short lifespan because of the tanks/elements leaking and shorting the logic board, and no one wants to accept any responsibility for the lifespan after a repair. *All three said it was likely to fail again soon after the repair.

    It may all be fluff, but I dont repair them so I wouldnt know... *I was pretty pedantic about the care of it, so much so my wife would just roll her eyes ;-)

    Still, maybe its time to move up. *Neither of us cae for the press any more and instant just leaves us choking.. *Spoiled for sure.
    So go and do it - Splurge Pamper ya self

    PS. My wife still thinks the coffee stuff gets Tooooo Much attention :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 61444B444B4140571414250 link=1282871274/15#15 date=1282957558
    Whilst the 6910 does indeed make a nice coffee, having the tanks rot through after 2.5 years is nuts..
    Now for any CSér who has seen the insides of the EM6910 series... That comment had me stumped until ya PM/E-mail.. Though ya was talking about the water tank ::) ::)

    Clarification CSérs

    danander11 was advised that the Steam Thermoblock had rotted through :o :o :o

    And it appears to be just the OT thermal cut-out.. Now the OT unit can fail for a number of reasons, but the main cause is the STEAM is on for too long and a restriction in water flow...

    Can not say for certain without hands on but from what I have experienced and from what danander11 has stated ...

    The bit that gets me; is once again a service person advises teh user of a particular state of teh unit and then also attempts to sell another brand.. The issue is not the sell, but that the repair/service was either not done OR the person is not experienced.... The assumption is that teh user will suck it up after a couple of years and just buy another machine.

    Untill proven other wise... Dodgy servic place with a Capital D :P

    PS. Yea I know Perth has crap water, but it would choke and block the steam block not eat holes in it and thus drip water over the cct board.

    PPS. If ya know the EM series... The machine must have been used upside down to have that happen. The steam block and CCT board are no where near each other.

    Sorry danander11 I had to vent. I get it wrong on occasions; but could never blatantly rip someone off on purpose...

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 61444B444B4140571414250 link=1282871274/15#15 date=1282957558
    Sorry danander11 I had to vent. *I get it wrong on occasions; but could never blatantly rip someone off on purpose...

    All good on my end, and I appreciate the help.. Ill vent tomorrow to Sunbeam about their "service" centre and let them know how I feel about it..

    Perth water is, indeed, terrible... but its what we have. Ill try and sort it out myself and if not send it away.. I miss that morning coffee. ;)

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 60454A454A4041561515240 link=1282871274/20#20 date=1283351030
    Perth water is, indeed, terrible
    I thought Adelaide had the reputation of having the worst water in Aust. :-?

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A666F7762030 link=1282871274/21#21 date=1283387876
    I thought Adelaide had the reputation of having the worst water in Aust.
    Thats because its downstream from Canberra.

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    Re: $600 budget for the works. What to buy 2nd hand?

    Update:

    It ended up being a $3 thermal fuse on the steam wand block. I spliced it in and put everything back together and the unit works like a champ.. It got a thorough scrubbing and flush and tomorrow will get a new collar and seal.. (the old one is worn).

    Ill ring sunbeam and give them an earful on their service centres practices..

    Im not a appliance repair person and I had it sorted in 30 minutes. Im pretty cheesed that it took a week and a $300+ quote from their guys.. I still say they never even opened it up.

    Be wary folks and question everything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 193C333C3339382F6C6C5D0 link=1282871274/23#23 date=1283412910
    Update:

    It ended up being a $3 thermal fuse on the steam wand block. *I spliced it in and put everything back together and the unit works like a champ.. *It got a thorough scrubbing and flush and tomorrow will get a new collar and seal.. (the old one is worn).

    Ill ring sunbeam and give them an earful on their service centres practices..

    Im not a appliance repair person and I had it sorted in 30 minutes. *Im pretty cheesed that it took a week and a $300+ quote from their guys.. *I still say they never even opened it up.

    Be wary folks and question everything.
    Quality service support is often under rated and given low *consideration for many things..

    Health for example will often have it in the tender documents but when it comes to the crunch... Service is rated so poor that it only takes a slightly lower offer in $$$ to knock out a truly competitive product with great UP TIME.

    I have often seen Service support given a 5% value when scoring a tender and trust me real service support should be significantly higher.. However most fail to see until it is too late - but then the budget had to be met (cynic I is).


    Conclusion... Question Sunbeam and Question the allotted service agent.. But do it with consideration as the good guys do not deserve crap... They need to be pampered and thanked

    I have made comment before about Dodgy brothers and service agents pulling a quick slight of hand re warranty and charging and double dipping.... Most dont but ASSUMPTIONS will get ya every time.

    Now where was that under rated thermal fuse uuummmmm *;)




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