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    Hey all,

    Im a newbie, uncooth and I drink coffee (not expressos, or any other "...os") in a mug with two sugars and milk from a perculator. Almost bought a gaggia classic online and read a mug couldnt fit under it! I assume the silvia is the same so spending plenty on a rocky grinder would be senseless as I see it at this juncture.

    Can anyone help me out, should I just stay with my perculator?

    Are there coffee machines (of the gaggia classic or silvia quality) that use a double shot pourer that can fill a mug 3/4 full so I can put frothed milk and sugar in it?

    Thanks,

    Michael

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 776E1A0 link=1285242920/0#0 date=1285242920
    Hey all,
    Im a newbie,
    welcome to coffeesnobs :) May you have an enjoyable journey!

    uncooth and I drink coffee (not expressos, or any other "...os") in a mug with two sugars and milk from a perculator. Almost bought a gaggia classic online and read a mug couldnt fit under it! I assume the silvia is the same so spending plenty on a rocky grinder would be senseless as I see it at this juncture.
    percolator coffee is a different drink to espresso based coffee, both of which are different to plunger, and instant which is your typical mug shot with a dash of milk and sugar! Each different type of coffee has its merits and followers, and each needs to be analysed differently, IMHO.

    If you like a large amount of coffee in a mug then you may not even like an espresso. For a start even a standard double shot of 60ml wont do much for your mug, unless you over-over-extract it (much like franchise coffee shops or the super-autos often do).

    Can anyone help me out, should I just stay with my perculator?
    Firstly, do you like it? If so, whats the drive to change? Do others like it, and how much? Secondly, please let us know what grinder you have (if any). Just by buying a "real" grinder and fresh beans you may well get much much better coffee from your current method.

    Are there coffee machines (of the gaggia classic or silvia quality) that use a double shot pourer that can fill a mug 3/4 full so I can put frothed milk and sugar in it?

    Thanks,

    Michael
    The Boema started their design with the Australian market in mind, which was typically a hotter and larger coffee than the typical Italian drink. I think most of their machines do (or used to) fit a mug underneath, but not all machines do.

    Let us know your location so we can make some recommendations to local sponsors. Before you buy a machine you really should try it out in a shop first!

    Hope that starts you off. Now some of the snobs with real experience will give you some of their suggestions ;)

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 362F5B0 link=1285242920/0#0 date=1285242920
    fill a mug 3/4 full
    Thats 150ml or the equivalent of 5 espresso shots.

    Quote Originally Posted by 323A32353F395B0 link=1285242920/1#1 date=1285244997
    For a start even a standard double shot of 60ml wont do much for your mug, unless you over-over-extract it
    A guy at work used to FILL his mug using the Sunbeam 6910 at work.
    *shudder*
    Im tough but he made me look like a wimpy sook being able to drink that.

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Thanks for the replies.

    I use a breville dripolator (I think) paper filters, where I can brew about 5 mugs of coffee. I buy coffee beans and grind them in a breville grinder probably $40-$60 costing one. I store the beans in tupperware containers.

    I am off to Good Guys, and Harvey Norman and Joyce Mayne in Maitland NSW 2323, we dont have many if any specialist coffee shops around here.

    After reading through the site and drinks abit I would be happy to make cafe styled cuppacions of 220ml in size. I dont think I could bring myself to go any smaller than that.

    Can anyone recommend a machine that will fit 220ml cups under it so I can make a cafe styled cuppacino. Would it be ok to make a cuppacino with a double basket shot 120ml, 100ml milk or will that dilute it too much with sugar in it as well.

    I wont buy a machine today but will within a week.

    Would a gaggia classic fit a 220ml cafe style cuppacino cup under it?

    I am wanting to change from a dripolator because cafe cuppacinos taste better. I also run a bible study so I will need a machine that will be capable of spitting out 4-6 220ml drinks relatively quickly.

    Thanks for your posts,
    Michael

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Settle down Michael, you are all over the show at the moment.

    60mls is a standard double shot. To drag that out to 120mls would be horrible.

    Are you sure you want an espresso machine? Sounds to me like Iaindbs advice was sound. Start witha grinder and fresh beans and keep using your peculator.

    In any event I think you should do a bit more reading about coffee/espresso basics because with the level of understanding you are showing at the moment regardless of what you buy I think you will be disappointed, and we dont want that on our conscious :(


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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 627B0F0 link=1285242920/0#0 date=1285242920
    expressos
    Espresso would be the word you are looking for ;) Welcome to the gang.

    Typical single shot is 30ml double 60ml. These are then made up to whatever size you like by adding hot water, heated milk or straight. My personal preference is a double in around a 220ml for a latte or a single in a 160ml at night is OK too. What you are describing is a Lungo or a long pour generally *:P

    As to fitting large mugs under the group heads most machines unless they are purpose built commercials wil struggle.

    http://www.realcoffee.com.au/ are one of our sponsors and are right next to you in Lorn for a visit and a chat/look/play at the shiny things.

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 637A0E0 link=1285242920/3#3 date=1285554817
    Thanks for the replies.
    youre welcome :)

    I buy coffee beans and grind them in a breville grinder probably $40-$60 costing one.
    More info needed :) What model?

    The first thing you should do is buy a decent grinder. No offence, but Im guessing you have a sub-par grinder (probably with blades). The problem with these is that they make inconsistent particle sizes and burn or tear the beans. You definitely wont be able to use this grinder with an espresso machine.

    I would recommend a Sunbeam EM0480 which will do you for any percolator, dripolator, stovetop or basic espresso machine.

    I store the beans in tupperware containers.
    For how long? Tupperware is not bad, but as you use the beans the space gets taken up with air. The best method is the one-way valve bag you usually get good beans in. I put various bags in a tuppaware container.

    I am off to Good Guys, and Harvey Norman and Joyce Mayne in Maitland NSW 2323, we dont have many if any specialist coffee shops around here.
    By all means by the grinder from them, but I would recommend getting an espresso machine (if thats the way you want to go) from a sponsor who can set it up and give you a warranty and some basic training. I understand youre not near any of the sponsors but at least they can help you over the phone, whereas I very much doubt the knowledge of anyone at hardly normals.

    After reading through the site and drinks abit I would be happy to make cafe styled cuppacions of 220ml in size. *I dont think I could bring myself to go any smaller than that.
    a cafe styled cappuccino is 30ml espresso, about the same milk and the final third froth. A cafe styled muggaccino is often 60ml espresso (double shot) made to the top with milk. Sometimes you can taste a bit of water in there. I generally dont go for that.

    Can anyone recommend a machine that will fit 220ml cups under it so I can make a cafe styled cuppacino. *Would it be ok to make a cuppacino with a double basket shot 120ml, 100ml milk or will that dilute it too much with sugar in it as well.
    Most cafe mugs are short, wide, and round, whereas most home mugs are taller and thinner, so youll have a bit of trouble getting them under. As an example I put a 10cm mug under my Breville but I have to play around the spouts.

    Either take your favourite mugs into the shop, or buy new mugs :)

    I wont buy a machine today but will within a week.
    Just dont rush it and make the wrong decision. If you take the time to try some options youll be happier for longer (speaking from experience here :) )

    I am wanting to change from a dripolator because cafe cuppacinos taste better.
    I guarantee that if you start with the grinder I mentioned, and fresh beans from one of the sponsors or the beanbay youll get much better tasting coffee.

    *I also run a bible study so I will need a machine that will be capable of spitting out 4-6 220ml drinks relatively quickly.
    Again, Id recommend a french press, drip or large stovetop. IMHO frensh press is the quickest and I make a smooth mean coffee with mine :)

    The lower-end machines will take time to get out 6 cups.

    Thanks for your posts,
    Michael
    No probs, keep us updated. Its a journey.

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Thanks people,

    It looks like i am after a double expresso, with hot water and milk to get me to 220ml. Is that a Lugarno or Americano? p.s. who let America name a drink after themselves?

    I went to Joyce Mayne and the Thermo wonder double bloc special Sunbeam 6910 with the EM4... blender will be $699 with a $50 kit of cleaning thingys, a 1kg shelf bag of the freshest beans of all time and a 5 year warranty.

    Just in case anyone didnt know on coffee snobs, gaggia is not pronounced like the choking word gag, I really impressed the sales lady with that one, and likewise you can too with your coffee mates!

    They told me Saeco hass bought them out too, but said Saeco are Italian.

    Should I be using a fine blend setting in my grinder for a dripolator I have been using about setting 7 out of 10, 10 being the least fine 1 being the finest.

    I will definately be going to lorn tomorrow to the sponsors site, will have to not wear sandals, board shorts and a tshirt, almost got escorted out of Harvey Norman because of that, an old guy next to me got served and the staff guy just kept on going, probably thought I was trying to steal a machine!

    Will let you know how the Lorn adventure goes, Lorn sponsors if you read this before then, I am the bogan looking afro guy who you will take pity on tomorrow.

    Thanks again everyone,

    Michael

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 322B5F0 link=1285242920/7#7 date=1285572507
    Is that a Lugarno or Americano? p.s. who let America name a drink after themselves?
    Lugarno is near where I live. I think you mean a, lungo which literally translated means, long as in long black.

    The Americans arent responsible for the term, Americano. As far as I know it was the Italians who named the drink during the War (?) that was ordered by US soldiers.

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 362F5B0 link=1285242920/7#7 date=1285572507
    1kg shelf bag of the freshest beans of all time
    ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 362F5B0 link=1285242920/7#7 date=1285572507
    I will definately be going to lorn tomorrow to the sponsors site
    Which sponsor is that?


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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 0C302D363C3D2A3F373C580 link=1285242920/9#9 date=1285573391
    Quote Originally Posted by 362F5B0 link=1285242920/7#7 date=1285572507
    1kg shelf bag of the freshest beans of all time
    ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 362F5B0 link=1285242920/7#7 date=1285572507
    I will definately be going to lorn tomorrow to the sponsors site
    Which sponsor is that?
    http://www.realcoffee.com.au/

    Their favourite colour is magenta. :)

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C45310 link=1285242920/10#10 date=1285577278
    http://www.realcoffee.com.au/
    Thanks.
    Good to know.
    Ive been meaning to get back to Lorn for some family tree research.
    Nice to know theres a sponsor nearby.

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Hello all,

    After days of reading reviews night and day I think that the logical choice for me will be to get the gaggia classic. Long lasting, simpler to use compared to a silvia for someone like me. Consistency of shot quality is good I am reading.

    I have some tea cups, which are lower and substantially rounder which should fit. Ill buy a little jug 400ml or so for milk, pull off the plastic wand and just use that, I am not clever enough to fit a silvia wand to it.

    Looking at prices online the best including some extras and delivery is in the mid to high $500 range.

    Is that a good price for a classic?

    There also seems to be no benefit buying the grinder with it as they are not offerring any discount to do it.

    I am hearing many mixed reviews on the rocky doserless, so I am not sure if it is such a great buy or not.

    I am not super fussy, but just want a relatively easy to make decent cafe standard coffee with milk.

    The classic will be my machine for 5 years until I figure out how to hadle a silvia or better machine.

    Anyone know some good deals on a classic with or without a good grinder?

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    The only negative with the Gaggia is I think they are all Aluminium boilers. Maybe have a look at the Lelit http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/lelit-pl041e/(Brass Boiler) and a Compak K3 Grinder (would do you for the next upgrade)?

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Thank you for your post have been reading up on Lelits as a result. As I am outside the Newcastle area I cannot get to any sponsor sites to check out machines.

    I emailed all the sponsors on gaggia classic and rocky combo but no luck there.

    Only 2 sellers sell Lelit Combi. Both at $850. International website states 2010 model fits 58mm, but everywhere else states it is 57mm.

    Does anyone know is the grinder ok in the combi, as good as a rocky?


    I am finding the choosing process a little frustrating as there doesnt seem to be any bad options.

    Thanks,

    Michael

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    Re: Advise the newbie: will spend up to $1200 machine and grinder

    Just some general coffee advice, you dont need to add any water. Even the bucket sized take away cups are just a double or triple shot (60 or 90mls) with textured milk added.

    If you can stretch a bit extra Id go the GEE Espresso/Compak K3T package. Talk Coffee has them and I think the other stockist is 9 Bar? I think its around $1500 but its a PID machine which is going to give you the best results in a single boiler matched with arguably the best grinder in the sub $1000 grinder group. The only downside is the thermoblock which is great in one way as you can steam pretty much straight after pulling your shot, but will never work as well as a steam wand on a HX machine.

    Id personally spend the bit extra in a heartbeat and know that I have killed off the need to upgrade as its the best you will do before shelling out for an HX (which starts at $1500 for just the machine).



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