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    Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

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    Hi Guys,

    I recently purchased the EM6910 and EM0480 combo. I am using fresh beans purchased weekly and grinding on the finest grind possible and I tamp if anything too hard, however there just seems to be no resistence in my pulls.

    Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 536B6C666D6A7B4E626466030 link=1250221497/0#0 date=1250221497
    Hi Guys,

    I recently purchased the EM6910 and EM0480 combo. I am using fresh beans purchased weekly and grinding on the finest grind possible and I tamp if anything too hard, however there just seems to be no resistence in my pulls.

    Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?

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    Where are you located..

    Read some of teh other posts as the teh EM6910 and EM0480

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1248646363

    If your are really using fresh beans (not supermarket of GJ etc) and grinding at teh finest.. Then you should be CHOKING the EM6910 and nothing should come out..

    1: Beans are not as fresh as you think?
    2: Grinder needs cleaning and or teh burrs are not in correctly ?

    Other than that it comes down to the USER and or any one of 100 different reasons.. *

    Need more detail.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    I am in Melbourne and the Supreme Beans are fresh, see them come in twice a week to the coffee shop up the road from work. Drink their coffee multiple times a day and its fantastic. Beans are from the same hopper they are making my coffee from.

    Machine is definately not chocking, I was actually trying to see if I could choke it at one point. Machine and grinder are less then a month old. Have always had the problem and never done anything more then remove the top burr carrier and brush out any excess grind and clean the bottom of the burr carrier.

    Wondering if I got a dodgy grinder. I have an old delonghi burr grinder, maybe that is worth a try.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    R U using the deep double basket ?

    is finest on the girnder the finest it can go?
    can you turn a 0480 past zero? untill you lock the burrs then back off a few clicks etc (with it turned OFF)

    load up that double pretty full and tamp hard see what happens
    you should fill to "just below the shower screen once tamped"
    but if you over fill dont pull to hard, remove some grinds, disturb the puck and retamp.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Sounds to me like the grinder is dodgy.
    Some are known to need an adjustment to the number of washers to get them configured right.

    Ring Sunbeam and they should send you some washers.

    Or do a search on CS to find the detail youll need to look for any washer already there and then go to a hardware store and buy some matching ones and put it all back together.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Are you using the pressurised or unpressurised basket?

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    I am using the single floor basket? I am assuming that is what you are asking? Sorry.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 11292E242F28390C202624410 link=1250221497/6#6 date=1250231975
    I am using the single floor basket? I am assuming that is what you are asking? Sorry.
    Yes...

    Ok.. if you grinding and you pinch the coffee between ya fingers... What is it like...

    1: Rock salt
    2: Sugar crystals
    3: Fine table Salt
    4: Fine white pepper
    5: Corn flower

    At this stage.. If ya beans are fresh.... And just because you get it from a cafe down teh road etc... Does not always mean fresh..

    Then depending on what size teh grinds are... About a 3 - 4 is what your aiming for... If NOT....



    Then myself, TG and others have already picked the issue... The Grinder is out of cal..

    Use teh link I gave you and search for adjusting EM0480 etc.. Pots of info, even a picture flow chart etc etc... 5 min work.

    If the grind size is ok then IT is ya BEANS... Well maybe... ;)

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    And just because you get it from a cafe down teh road etc... Does not always mean fresh..
    Just because you see it delivered twice weekly does not prove its fresh.
    Many factors in the supply chain could lead to it being older than youd hope.

    If theres no "Roasted On" date on the bag then you dont know how old it is.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C444349424554614D4B492C0 link=1250221497/0#0 date=1250221497
    Hi Guys,

    I recently purchased the EM6910 and EM0480 combo. I am using fresh beans purchased weekly and grinding on the finest grind possible and I tamp if anything too hard, however there just seems to be no resistence in my pulls.

    Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?

    Cheers
    Quote Originally Posted by 7844594248495E4B43482C0 link=1250221497/8#8 date=1250234966
    And just because you get it from a cafe down teh road etc... *Does not always mean fresh..
    Just because you see it delivered twice weekly does not prove its fresh.
    Many factors in the supply chain could lead to it being older than youd hope.

    If theres no "Roasted On" date on the bag then you dont know how old it is.
    Hey would just like to agree. *It would generally be the freshness of your beans from your roast date. *Check your supplier on the details. *I come across the same problem with competitors that command the use by date is not up yet.... Hehe. *I could go on but i suggest test a variety of different beans yeah? Go for it!

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    No matter how stale the beans....shouldnt the Grinder still be capable of grinding them fine enough to clog the machine ?

    If so, does this not point to a problem with the grinder ?

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 1334353E282F041C3A213A5B0 link=1250221497/10#10 date=1250412811
    No matter how stale the beans....shouldnt the Grinder still be capable of grinding them fine enough to clog the machine ?

    If so, does this not point to a problem with the grinder ?

    Not always so simple..

    I would suggest a combination of the Beans and Grinder...

    But fresh beans is the only way to tell..

    And if you get what you want from fresh beans and the setting is still towards the low end... Who cares...


    Unless you intend to use lots of stale beans...


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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Im certainly not trying to encourage the use of stale beans, but to me it seems a clear case of "fix the grinder"....then get the right beans.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 6146474C5A5D766E485348290 link=1250221497/10#10 date=1250412811
    No matter how stale the beans....shouldnt the Grinder still be capable of grinding them fine enough to clog the machine ?
    My Sunbeam grinder did not have this problem but I never tried to grind fine enough to try and stall the machine.

    I know my Macap could grind that fine but Im not sure about the SB.

    (And I still reckon the grinder is more at fault.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 625A5D575C5B4A7F535557320 link=1250221497/0#0 date=1250221497
    Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
    Some good advice in this thread - but maybe its your dosing :-?

    The EM6910 needs to be updosed to within 2-3mm of the top of the basket after tamping.

    Have you done the free Sunbeam barista course? Well worth the time believe me :D

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 4760616A7C7B50486E756E0F0 link=1250221497/10#10 date=1250412811
    No matter how stale the beans....shouldnt the Grinder still be capable of grinding them fine enough to clog the machine ?

    If so, does this not point to a problem with the grinder ?
    Im with this one.
    If not capable of clogging it should at least be able to slow it down to 30ml in 25-30secs no matter how stale the beans are.

    Your grinder needs shims under the centre burr.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 455E5741424F360 link=1250221497/15#15 date=1250465129
    If not capable of clogging it should at least be able to slow it down to 30ml in 25-30secs
    I could possibly disagree with this, even with the freshest of beans, some are incapable of clogging, an example is the Indian MM AA, i have to overdose to the max and use tonnes of tamp with the very finest grind to get it to pour 30 in 30.

    When i was brand new to the coffee trail, i used supermarket coffee, finest grind, hardest tamp, and i could never get it to 30 in 30, its too dry and wont cling together enough to extract properly......

    just my opinion ;)

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Sorry, I should have said that the beans have a roasting date on the 1Kg bags the cafe uses.

    I have since gone and grabbed a washer (considerably thicker then the SB ones as Bunnings didnt have the same ones) and completely replaced the 2 that were already in there. I now have excellent results however my grinder is dialled all the way back to 2 clicks from the coarsest option.

    I think I will hit up SB for some spacers so I at least have some options in regards to grind.

    Thanks for all your help.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Recently scored myself a 6910 / 0480 combo myself for fathers day, totally wrapped with it, but im currently in the same boat as the op. The pour is very quick, the pressure only seems to make it up a 1/4 of the way, and the pour (if im using the correct term) is very watery, it still tastes better than i am used to (plunger or instant :|) but i would really like to get the pour to be more toward the honey type that the dvd guys had ;)
    Ill follow the links provided above to check on the grinder, but i guess i have a few possible issues at the moment, could be the grinder or it could be the beans (currently using Gloria Jeans beans) Ive got some campos beans on the way (from what i have read they are apparently the best?) Currently using the single layer filter, the pressurised (only single hole in the bottom) gave a better pressure rating, but still comes out watery.
    Ive booked into the free course for the 26th so hopefully that will get me on the correct path :)

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Welcome to CS Binskin and what a nice pressie for fathers day!

    Quote Originally Posted by 012A2D30282A2D430 link=1250221497/18#18 date=1252836325
    or it could be the beans (currently using Gloria Jeans beans)
    Probably the beans - theyre woeful.

    Quote Originally Posted by 012A2D30282A2D430 link=1250221497/18#18 date=1252836325
    Ive got some campos beans on the way (from what i have read they are apparently the best?)
    Did you read that on their website? *Take a look at the Sponsors on the left of this page. *Id rate any of them that are Roasters over Campos on any day of the week. ;)


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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Im not familiar with the sunbeams apart from what I have read but so long as your dosing properly, any grinder worth having would also be capable of grinding fine enough to choke your machine.

    (face palm) It does not matter how stale the coffee is if a grinder is working properly it should be able to choke the machine.

    I would be claiming warranty and I wouldnt be accepting washers off sunbeam either. It should come calibrated not need modification.

    If you cant work it out then look to another grinder, my Iberital Challenge at $300 could easily choke my Silvia using standard baskets. Also in the same class is Nemox Lux. In grinders you do get what you pay for.

    good luck with it.


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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F37323227361D2F232C7475420 link=1250221497/20#20 date=1252842814
    It should come calibrated
    It is calibrated. Its calibrated to grind coarse.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F37323227361D2F232C7475420 link=1250221497/20#20 date=1252842814
    I would be claiming warranty
    For what purpose? So that they can give you an identical grinder to the one youre claiming warranty on?


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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 27060D0D0A10630 link=1250221497/21#21 date=1252843764
    Quote Originally Posted by 2F37323227361D2F232C7475420 link=1250221497/20#20 date=1252842814
    It should come calibrated
    It is calibrated. *Its calibrated to grind coarse.

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F37323227361D2F232C7475420 link=1250221497/20#20 date=1252842814
    I would be claiming warranty
    For what purpose? *So that they can give you an identical grinder to the one youre claiming warranty on?
    Heaps of people with the sunbeam grinders find they grind fine enough. They dont have the symptoms described here at all. It sounds faulty.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Hey Binskin,
    There is only one way to resolve this, if the Campos beans dont choke your machine then the grinder is faulty, if they do, then it was in fact the Gloria jeans, which im sure it is, their beans ARE stale, Campos whilst i have not tried them do roast on site if your getting them from the roastery that is, so they will be fresh enough, as for the flavour......dont know and i wont comment,

    Welcome to coffeesnobs too mate!, youll have *a ball!, hang around and youll learn tonnes!

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Hi Binskin,
    After tamping with the Sunbeam supplied tamper I like to see about 2mm of the silver part of the tamp above the basket. That will let you know your dose is about right.
    If it still pours too quickly it still could be bad distribution, clumping, tamping but most likely the grind is not fine enough.
    The Sunbeam calibration washers are pretty easy to put under the centre burr (PM me and I can send you the calibration guide or after contacting Sunbeam for the washers they might email it to you as well).
    Alternatively, a Sunbeam repairer should be able to do the job under warranty but I found it interesting to do and gave me an insight as to how the the grinder works.
    In any case the Sunbeam course will be invaluable to you.
    Best of luck :)

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Wholly christmas! Thats a lot of replies :D

    Cheers guys, im going to have another go once i get home from work (morning shift uggh). Will post how i go this afternoon.

    Ill also look into the other bean suppliers mentioned.

    Cheerio

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Ok, home and had another go, grinder on the finest setting the single layer basket (correct term?) doesnt make it past the first marker on the pressure gauge, second go with the pressurised basket (correct term?) and it almost made it to the black ... still poured very watery.

    Ill have a look at the grinder tonight, but ive still got a few cups worth of beans to go out of the grinder before i can try the newer beans i received today.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Quote Originally Posted by 517A7D60787A7D130 link=1250221497/26#26 date=1252912611
    ive still got a few cups worth of beans to go out of the grinder before i can try the newer beans i received today.
    Tip them out and try the new ones.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    I have the same machine and grinder as you. I also had this problem after upgrading to the Sunbeam grinder from a cheaper Krups model. I added the washers from Sunbeam which made a slight improvement, on the finest setting there was a small amount of resistance.
    I ended up taking the grinder back and got a replacement which now grindes much better on the 14/15 range than what the old grinder with added washers did at 0.
    Get a replacement grinder as that is your problem.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    I have a new EM0480 and dont have this problem, i can easily get 3/4 pressure on setting 10 and on fine nearly clogged the machine.

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    Re: Pulls Too Quick with EM6910 & EM0480

    Sorted the problem!

    Took the course last weekend, was really good, one of the instructors recommended the campos beans as well so it was handy to know i was on the right track with the beans.

    Ultimatly, the problem as usual was the end user, as dumb as it sounds, i simply wasnt locking the handle all the way, so it wasnt pressurising as it should, end result is now awesome coffee :D

    Cheers - Ben



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