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    Hello All,

    this is that same old question that every newbie wants to ask.
    What machine should i buy?

    i have a budget of $1300.00. this needs to cover machine and grinder.
    i have read many a topic on this forum and most point towards to the silvia.
    i thought i would ask anyway and see if perhaps there are some other options that i may have overlooked

    cheers
    Krazy

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    Re: What to buy

    The question is what machineS should you buy.

    For $1300...

    1) An EM6910 (under $700)
    2) An EM0480 (under $200)
    3) A behmor ($400, from CS)

    you can skip the roaster only...ONLY, if you live close to a roaster that roasts on demand... or are willing to order $40 per kilo roasted on demand beans and have them couriered to you.

    Your machine means nothing if you dont have fresh beans. At the very least, get a popper and roast 100g batches...but its time consuming trust me.

    You will find that the 6910 gets mentioned an awful lot in this forum, yet you cant find any on ebay. This speaks for itself - people who own them arent selling! Those who do are usually upgrading (see the sales section of this forum)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6E71796A676266660B0 link=1270078669/1#1 date=1270080261
    The question is what machineS should you buy.

    For $1300...

    1) [s]An EM6910 (under $700)[/s]
    2) [s]An EM0480 (under $200)[/s]
    3) A behmor ($400, from CS)

    you can skip the roaster only...ONLY, if you live close to a roaster that roasts on demand... or are willing to order $40 per kilo roasted on demand beans and have them couriered to you.

    Your machine means nothing if you dont have fresh beans. At the very least, get a popper and roast 100g batches...but its time consuming trust me.

    You will find that the 6910 gets mentioned an awful lot in this forum, yet you cant find any on ebay. This speaks for itself - people who own them arent selling! Those who do are usually upgrading (see the sales section of this forum)
    The Lelit leaves the Sunbeam for dead and includes a far better grinder for a total cost of $850.00 and you get a bag of specialty roasted beans and backwash detergent as well.

    Also, the Lelit will retain its value and outlive the Sunbeam by a decade. The Sunbeam is generally mentioned here on the forum because of problems. Its more likely that the reason 2nd hand Sunbeams dont appear on evilbay is that they have gone to the tip.

    The Silvia and Rocky are a good combination.

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    Wow that is a good deal! Same price as the states.

    If I hadnt got my 6910+0480 for 700 bucks (on sale last year), yeah, the Lelit does seem like a good deal, especially if its a rancilio on the inside.

    It does have its quirks though: http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/consumer/lelitpl042let/TheLeftHand

    It uses a non-58mm portafilter, and remember that after getting your machine+grinder+roaster, your first likely upgrade will be your grinder.

    Im bout to get a behmor myself... and the next upgrade will probably a mazzer few years down the track. After that, ill be working and the next step up will be an e61 machine.

    The sunbeam is probably the most popular models in the market for under $1000, and thus you see people coming into CS (newbies with few posts) to ask for advice and troubleshooting. But hang around CS for long enough and youll find that there are many many many other people who have been using their machines with no problems at all. Some veterans (like Wushoes) have even been using them as secondary machines at home or office with no complaints...and it has heaps more modern user friendly features compared to the silvia (and im assuming by extension the lelit) http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/kb/reviews/sunbeam-silvia/
    (note its an old review and many issues have since been fixed. basket size. portafilter rubber gasket. milk pitcher too large...etc)

    Sunbeam support has been excellent. Their grinder used make grinds fly all over the bench (small design flaw), and they started handing out a fix for free. One phonecall and two days later my grinder received the spout.

    At the end of the day: It does not matter what machine you get, the silvia, 6910 or lelit. What matters most is FRESH BEANS! With fresh beans, you could spend $50 on a second hand EM4800 ($200 new), buy an unpressurized portafilter basket online for $20 (it doesnt come with one as it assumes people will be using supermarket beans), and make better espresso than anyone using supermarket beans on the silvia/lelit/6910.

    I cannot stress this strongly enough. Fresh beans are an absolute necessity.

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    Re: What to buy

    Quote Originally Posted by 716E6675787D7979140 link=1270078669/3#3 date=1270083513
    especially if its a rancilio on the inside.
    ? :-?
    they are not the same on the inside.....sorry ;)

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    Re: What to buy

    Quote Originally Posted by 6165435A5A5F405758360 link=1270078669/4#4 date=1270087265
    Quote Originally Posted by 716E6675787D7979140 link=1270078669/3#3 date=1270083513
    especially if its a rancilio on the inside.
    ? :-?
    The basic internal difference from the Silvia is that the Lelit employs silicone rather than copper tubing. ;)

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    Yes the Lelit machine is definitely a good option. I just sold mine which has gone to its third owner and will probably last many more years.

    The Rocky/Silvia combo is probably the most common one out there and for good reason. At the moment it may be slightly above your budget, particularly as Silvia numbers have been low of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 362921323F3A3E3E530 link=1270078669/3#3 date=1270083513
    the Lelit does seem like a good deal, especially if its a rancilio on the inside.
    :-? Its a Lelit on the inside. I am reliably informed that the Silvia is a Rancilio on the inside and outside though *;)

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    I would personally go for something secondhand with the faithfull e61 group head. A VBM or Lascala perhaps. Might push your budget out to about 1500 though :o . As for coffee, i wouldnt roast myself to start off. Plenty of specialty coffee roasters offer online services that get u the beans at about 3-4 days old. Well before they peak. I have cupped coffee all over Australia, both from "home jobs" to professional roasters. If you pick the right roaster it is extremely rare that you will get any coffee better from a home roaster or popper. Once your knowledge (and budget) is better, then perhaps start fiddling with roasting. Just my opinion though.

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    righteo thanks for all the info.
    at the mo i dont think i will be roasting my own beans. maybe down the track i will give that a try.
    im sure i can source nice fresh beans in brisbane somewhere

    but that $400 roaster option does look very tempting

    Is there a better machine/grinder option than a silvia/rocky combo for $1280

    does the sunbeam really compare to the italian ones?

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    Welcome Krazy.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

    To be very honest, we (CSers) can recommend every machine/grinder combo ever made but in the end, the only way to truly identify a combo that suits you down to the ground, is to visit one or more speciality coffee hardware retailers, such as our Site Sponsors listed over on the L/H side of the page. Until you can physically try out the various options available, even you wont know what really suits you....

    You dont mention your locality so cant recommend a Site Sponsor in particular but they are all great and will really look after you. Its worth the effort.... ;) 8-)

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    Re: What to buy

    hello mal,

    i am from brisbane

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    Mals right, but i work for one of the site sponsors who doesnt sell machines. So you can be assured my opinion is not bias ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 785B48485B59513A0 link=1270078669/12#12 date=1270116033
    So you can be assured my opinion is not bias
    Ha ha, were all bias - its just that you may be less bias than me. ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by 0F2E252522384B0 link=1270078669/13#13 date=1270117879
    Ha ha, were all bias - its just that you may be less bias than me.

    I had a laugh!!! Yeah, your right... this time... ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5774676774767E150 link=1270078669/14#14 date=1270118310
    Quote Originally Posted by 0F2E252522384B0 link=1270078669/13#13 date=1270117879
    Ha ha, were all bias - its just that you may be less bias than me.

    I had a laugh!!! Yeah, your right... this time... ;)
    Im not bias either...I just prefer some things to others ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1025282F1B072B22222121440 link=1270078669/15#15 date=1270118527
    Im not bias either...I just prefer some things to others
    Likewise :)

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    Re: What to buy

    if your within driving distance of Sydney

    this
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1269688801



    oh your in Bris..... just saw that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 60594A51522B0 link=1270078669/11#11 date=1270107178
    hello mal,

    i am from brisbane
    Hi again Krazy...

    We have several Site Sponsors in your neck of the woods, like these guys off the top of my head...

    Barazi - Coopers Plains
    Di Bella - Bowen Hills
    Supreme Roasters - Yatala

    There may be a couple of others and a check of the Site Sponsor list <<<<<< over yonder will identify who they are... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 715C585459350 link=1270078669/18#18 date=1270127153
    Quote Originally Posted by 60594A51522B0 link=1270078669/11#11 date=1270107178
    hello mal,

    i am from brisbane
    Hi again Krazy...

    We have several Site Sponsors in your neck of the woods, like these guys off the top of my head...

    Barazi - Coopers Plains
    Di Bella - Bowen Hills
    Supreme Roasters - Yatala

    There may be a couple of others and a check of the Site Sponsor list <<<<<< over yonder will identify who they are... :)

    Mal.

    Taking my wife out for her Yearly EASTER excursion... *Only time I let her out *;)

    She will be pleasantly surprised wen I head off towards the coast and then stop at Yatala *:D ;) ;D :o


    Yep... Going for a drive to say hi and drop in at Supreme Roasters *8-) 8-) 8-)

    Lots of new STUFF and machines and Roasters.. Got to get that hands on and get to know the locals.. Always helps when buying... Plus ya feel better for it and those personal relationships can often last a life time.. Just ask my Wife :-*


    Hey Rodger... Better make her feel special... She may then forgive me *::)

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    Re: What to buy

    my budget just grew to 2k.

    so should i be looking at these mystical e61 machines?

    edit: the 2k needs to include grinder

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    yes,

    you need to figure out what suits your needs.
    how many coffees at once ? 2 -4- 6 ? how many time a day 1 -2- 3?

    this way you then find a group of machines that match your needs.... and select what you feel is the best

    if you want that smooth "cafe" style of pumping out shots and steaming milk at the same time you need a HX machine regardless of the e61 bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0A33203B38410 link=1270078669/20#20 date=1270251158
    my budget just grew to 2k.

    so should i be looking at these mystical e61 machines?

    edit: the 2k needs to include grinder
    Have a look at my FS add...

    A Top grinder may have to wait but even then ya just over the 2K and you will be set for a long time to come.

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    I forgot about AMs ad, thats a very nice machine and its in BRIS!!!

    Hes go to many projects on his bench......... ;D

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    Re: What to buy

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C55465D5E270 link=1270078669/20#20 date=1270251158
    my budget just grew to 2k.

    so should i be looking at these mystical e61 machines?

    edit: the 2k needs to include grinder

    !!!!!!!!!!!!

    A good grinder first, good machine later.


    1) Mazzer Mini grinder $800
    2) A behmor roaster $400
    3) Silvia/EM6910 take your pick. * $600-800

    A second hand mazzer is around 600.


    Fresh beans + good grinder = good coffee.

    The best espresso machines will not help you if you dont have the above two ;)

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    I know of a certain newly wed couple who are very happy with a VBM Domobar Junior and K3 Touch grinder.

    Just goes to prove that its worth stretching the budget and getting what you really want from the start. *:)

    Hope it brings you both eternal happiness and I predict you will be drinking it black within a month Neil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1929323C332F3E2908323F3E5B0 link=1270078669/25#25 date=1272180490
    Hope it brings you both eternal happiness and I predict you will be drinking it black within a month Neil.
    Thats because the VBM steam wand would have made him leave his wife and almost put him in a mental hospital. ;D ;D ;D ;D

    But seriously, great combo - probably one of the best bang for buck combos going around.

    Enjoy.


    Quote Originally Posted by 6F56455E5D240 link=1270078669/20#20 date=1270251158
    my budget just grew to 2k.

    so should i be looking at these mystical e61 machines?

    edit: the 2k needs to include grinder
    Oops, I guess you blew your budget.

    Trust me, Krazy, you made the right decision. Coming from someone whose done the whole Sunbeam thing. I just wish I had stumbled across Coffeesnobs BEFORE I bought my Sunbeam not AFTER. Realistically you could probably keep both the grinder and the VBM for a very very long time. Enjoy.

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    Re: What to buy

    Quote Originally Posted by 6744575744464E250 link=1270078669/8#8 date=1270097628
    I would personally go for something secondhand with the faithfull e61 group head.
    Quote Originally Posted by 6E57445F5C250 link=1270078669/20#20 date=1270251158
    my budget just grew to 2k. So should i be looking at these mystical e61 machines?

    edit: the 2k needs to include grinder
    There s also this combo thats just come on the CS market:

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1272174875

    Its well within your budget and is a good step up from the Silvia- Rocky combo.

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    Re: What to buy

    I just did a coffee course through jetblack and tried the lelit combi. I have to say the inbuilt grinder is difficult to use, you often have to use your hand to press the grinder, and the plastic thing to press the grinder fell off a few times while I was trying to use it. The milk frother i felt was not as good as the siliva. So i definitely go the siliva.



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