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    Hi all,

    Have been reading the forums a lot over the last few weeks and am about to make my first real coffee machine purchase, only I have a couple of reservations that I would like to run past those of whom are more experienced than myself.

    I am considering the Lelit PL041 but have read/heard that the steam wand leaks when the machine is switched on and even more so when you pull a shot. Have seen the you tube video of it and its scared my other half off from purchasing it with this flaw. My question to those of you that have it or those of you that have similar machines (silvia etc). Is this a real/serious issue for the lelits or is it more wide spread in that it affects other machines too and I should be reasonable and expect this kind of thing from machines in this price range?

    At the moment I am finding it a tough sell for the modest price increase over a consumer machine like the em6910. Im happy to pay for quality but Id like to think that Im getting it.

    Please Im happy to listen to all feedback,

    Pretzal

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    Re: Steam wank leakage on Lelit

    I would be interested in feedback on this as well. I assume by wank in the title you actually mean wand!? ;) Do you have the link to the youtube vid?

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    Re: Steam wank leakage on Lelit

    I have the Nemox Cafe Del Opera, which I believe is a rebaged lelit (with built in grinder). *The wand started to leak after 3 years or so, I filed the "collar" on the valve to make it screw in further (found the info on the net) and this fixed it for a a few months, but it slowly started leaking again. *I bought *a new vale to replace it (which came complete with wand and tip), but I am yet to install it.

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    Re: Steam wank leakage on Lelit

    My recently purchased Lelit does not leak ...yet. I have heard Silvia leaks a bit too, so I suspect this is something that happens eventually with alot of machines, maybe.

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    Re: Steam wank leakage on Lelit

    I got my Lelit a few weeks ago, and it gets about one drop while pulling a shot each time. Its a non issue as far as I am concerned because the wand can be bent back over the spill tray, so any drips dont matter. When doing my research, I couldnt come up with a better option for the price range. More than happy with my purchase.

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    Re: Steam wank leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 253A38223B2E39382F570 link=1290293289/4#4 date=1290328174
    When doing my research, I couldnt come up with a better option for the price range. More than happy with my purchase.
    Agree with the above. Its a great machine for the price and I am happy with it. No doubt a more expensive machine would be even better but I am not in the market for !5K + machine (yet). When upgradeitis strikes, I am more likely to save up for a really fancy grinder first and then maybe upgrade the Lelit at a later stage .

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Mine sometimes drips a little as well after turning the machine on (about 5 weeks old now). Usually the dribbles stop if I tighten the tap firmer which I am generally reluctant to do. So, at this point I am very happy with the machine as I feel Im in control and not focus anymore on the occasional dribbles. If you buy one and it starts to drip badly you can always return it under warranty, but for me, the important aspects of a machine is its durability and serviceability, and believe the Lelit falls into that category perfectly.

    Its an honest machine that works hard to give you the results you aspire to achieve, and it looks pretty neat as well and not over the top as some of the garish pieces at the higher end.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 70525E5E5C5E5453523D0 link=1290293289/6#6 date=1290336608
    Usually the dribbles stop if I tighten the tap firmer which I am generally reluctant to do.
    Me too. When my partner was first using the machine, she kept turning the dial the wrong way (hard off instead of on), and screaming out to me "THE DIAL WONT TURN". I just wanted to cry :S

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    I had Silvia for 10+ years and by the end didnt concentrate on refilling the boiler after pulling a shot. By then my coffee procedure must have been automatic and ingrained because I never had an issue with the element. Didnt remember or wasnt even aware of single boiler machine issues in regards to priming boilers or burned out elements until joining CS! If my steam wand had of leaked however I may have stuffed the element with my blasť approach so in my round about way I am trying to say: get your wands fixed guys!!! A drip can become an expensive trickle!

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Oh dear! seems I need to proof read not only my posts but also my thread titles! What an unfortunate typo! Looks like one of the mods has taken care of it though thanks. The you tube link is below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj_5Drl-ctc

    To my eye that looks pretty average.

    Is this a typical flow rate for the lelit drip? Or is this machine beyond he normal point at which you would seek some maintenance?

    Any more comments from owners of similar machines/multiple machine owners?

    Thanks for the replies so far.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Mine drips much less than that, maybe 5 to 10 or so drips during a pour, depending on how tight the valve it shut.

    Cheers

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Ill preface this by saying the Lelit is a very good machine, and more than capable of making a good coffee. It is however, not without its flaws, the most annoying of which (for me) is that it employs a needle valve assembly rather than what we see in most other machines, including the Silvia, which have a traditional tap/washer assembly.

    Needle valves are said to provide a greater degree of control of the regulation of flow than a tap/washer affair. In the case of the Lelit, more than finger tight will wear the valve quickly, though over time it is likely to do so anyway.

    Personally, I find it very annoying, and thats why were working with a few people to see if we can come up with a solution.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 2C3A3F3F2E2C2029292A2A4F0 link=1290293289/11#11 date=1290378522
    Needle valves are said to provide a greater degree of control of the regulation of flow than a tap/washer affair.
    I havent used one so correct me if Im wrong but isnt all on then all off enough control?
    i.e. is there a need to use less than full pressure?

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 4874697278796E7B73781C0 link=1290293289/12#12 date=1290380121
    Quote Originally Posted by 2C3A3F3F2E2C2029292A2A4F0 link=1290293289/11#11 date=1290378522
    Needle valves are said to provide a greater degree of control of the regulation of flow than a tap/washer affair.
    I havent used one so correct me if Im wrong but isnt all on then all off enough control?
    i.e. is there a need to use less than full pressure?
    No. Though there are more than some machines that use a lever full on/off they are few compared to those that provide control, that are more popular. Horses for courses. ;)


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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    I dont dont why theyd be more popular.
    Its an extra variable in my opinion.
    If you only have the option of on or off then your technique has to cope with that.
    If its 50% or 60% or 75% on from one time to the next how would you know? And it might make the difference between perfect milk and not.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 1925382329283F2A22294D0 link=1290293289/14#14 date=1290385030
    If you only have the option of on or off then your technique has to cope with that.
    Just imagine if the accelaerator on a motor vehicle worked that way. :o

    Machines are intended to serve man - not the other way around.


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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 5640454554565A53535050350 link=1290293289/15#15 date=1290390892
    Just imagine if the accelaerator on a motor vehicle worked that way
    Thats how I drive automatics ;D

    I think you would want to be able to turn on your steam wand progressively rather than have it at 100% right from the start, allows for more control and less milk all over the bench :-[

    Easy to know if you had the steam tap fully open after that.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 2533363627252920202323460 link=1290293289/11#11 date=1290378522

    Personally, I find it very annoying, and thats why were working with a few people to see if we can come up with a solution.
    Sounds interesting. Are you looking for a solution that will allow a retrofit for previously purchased machines or only future sales?

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 142E2F393A3830282F2932303E295B0 link=1290293289/17#17 date=1290418953
    Quote Originally Posted by 2533363627252920202323460 link=1290293289/11#11 date=1290378522

    Personally, I find it very annoying, and thats why were working with a few people to see if we can come up with a solution.
    Sounds interesting. Are you looking for a solution that will allow a retrofit for previously purchased machines or only future sales?
    I was hoping to get a nibble. Looking for a retrofit as well, so pm, email or call if you may be able to help. :)

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 654750414F5459350 link=1290293289/9#9 date=1290344019
    Oh dear! seems I need to proof read not only my posts but also my thread titles! What an unfortunate typo!Looks like one of the mods has taken care of it though thanks. The you tube link is below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj_5Drl-ctc

    To my eye that looks pretty average.

    Is this a typical flow rate for the lelit drip? Or is this machine beyond he normal point at which you would seek some maintenance?
    Hi Pretzal,

    The steam valve in that video is kaput and maintenance is required. Usual cause: overtightening. Usual fix: new steam tap (less than $10 for the part)

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Thanks Charlie,

    Just the kind of information I was seeking from someone who knows what they are talking about. Thanks for the input.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 0214111100020E07070404610 link=1290293289/11#11 date=1290378522
    Personally, I find it very annoying, and thats why were working with a few people to see if we can come up with a solution.
    We have a clever CSer onto this one and hope to have a better solution in the not too distant future.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 0B293E2F213A375B0 link=1290293289/20#20 date=1290481943
    Thanks Charlie,

    Just the kind of information I was seeking from someone who knows what they are talking about. Thanks for the input.
    Hmm. Ill preface this by saying I know what Im talking about, and am the Sponsor who made the Lelit available other than an over the net purchase.

    Though rare, the wand can leak from day one.
    It will leak some time in the future no matter how gentle you are.
    Overtightening will speed up the process.
    The part may well be under $10, though Im pretty sure labour will be more, and I dont know how many times you would like to incur this cost over the life of the machine.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F3A37300418343D3D3E3E5B0 link=1290293289/21#21 date=1290490593
    Quote Originally Posted by 0214111100020E07070404610 link=1290293289/11#11 date=1290378522
    Personally, I find it very annoying, and thats why were working with a few people to see if we can come up with a solution. *
    We have a clever CSer onto this one and hope to have a better solution in the not too distant future.

    Chris
    Both Talk Coffee and Cuppacoffee are making every effort to work on a solution. We continue to regard the machine to be great value for money though would like anyone who buys the machine to do so with their eyes wide open. We have the same approach regarding anything we sell.

    Cheers
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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    My machine is quite new and no leaking yet . Whilst this topic is still "alive" I might as well ask a silly question now. If it starts to drip in the future I assume this means the boiler will run dry and die. So if it starts to drip, but I religiously fill the boiler whenever it is switched on or used, by turning on the water button and opening the steam nozzle till water comes out, will this protect the boiler? And the machine will be OK as long as I keep the boiler filled? Can anyone reassure me?

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 162328283F1911272F322335460 link=1290293289/23#23 date=1290493649
    My machine is quite new and no leaking yet . Whilst this topic is still "alive" I might as well ask a silly question now. If it starts to drip in the future I assume this means the boiler will run dry and die. *So if it starts to drip, but I religiously fill the boiler whenever it is switched on or used, by turning on the water button and opening the steam nozzle till water comes out, will this protect the boiler? And the machine will be OK as long as I keep the boiler filled? Can anyone reassure me?
    My intention is not to scare monger mishky. Youve purchased a good machine. The wand would have to be dripping a lot before there is a risk of the boiler element being exposed.

    If you follow the regime youve outlined, there is no reason why you should be concerned.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Thanks Dennis. I didnt mean to sound "panicky", just wanting to confirm that this should not be a big problem if the machine is well cared for. For the record I am very happy with my Lelit as it has been producing some very good coffee and heaps of steam for the milk. (In fact I seldom buy coffee out anymore because my coffee is now better than most places near me produce). I am confident I would have to spend alot more to do better .

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 00353E3E290F073139243523500 link=1290293289/25#25 date=1290497794
    (In fact I seldom buy coffee out anymore because my coffee is now better than most places near me produce)
    Its the curse of a coffeesnob! ;D

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    I know this is an old post but what is the fix for this? I acquired a lelit pl041 at a discount and now this dripping issue is showing up. When I turn the machine on it drips about .5-.75 ounce when warming up and then some more when pulling shots. It does make good espresso.

    Is the $10 parts referred to in this thread the gasket replacement or some other part? I fix things and would like to replace whatever needs replacing.
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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 765B7A6C766D7A5870707B5A6C6F6D7A6C6C1F0 link=1290293289/27#27 date=1292422607
    I know this is an old post but what is the fix for this? *I acquired a lelit pl041 at a discount and now this dripping issue is showing up. *When I turn the machine on it drips about .5-.75 ounce when warming up and then some more when pulling shots. It does make good espresso.

    Is the $10 parts referred to in this thread the gasket replacement or some other part? I fix things and would like to replace whatever needs replacing.
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    Talk to the discounter you bought it from, they should be more than happy to assist, or dont they provide after sales service?
    On the other hand if as you say you (fix things) I suggest you pull it apart and fix it, cant be all that complex.
    Had you purchased from a CS sponsor help would only be a phone call away. ;)

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 4D71786075140 link=1290293289/28#28 date=1292447054
    Talk to the discounter you bought it from, they should be more than happy to assist, or dont they provide after sales service?
    On the other hand if as you say you (fix things) I suggest you pull it apart and fix it, cant be all that complex.
    Had you purchased from a CS sponsor help would only be a phone call away. ;)
    hey Jon thats a bit rough.... nice and welcoming for a new member ????

    although yes its good to buy products from somewhere you can get after sales service many find this website after purchase and a issue appears

    IDGE if you have not run away it seems the lelit might have a issue in the steam wand area depending on how you tighten it (and use it) a new washer might work but people do have other issues and have made some mods. do some CS serches and hopefully someone migth assist you a bit more.

    i also reckon sponsors who sell them might be able to supply the parts or help with service.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 614C6D7B617A6D4F67676C4D7B787A6D7B7B080 link=1290293289/27#27 date=1292422607
    Is the $10 parts referred to in this thread the gasket replacement or some other part?
    I was referring to the steam tap (the part that screws in and out to control the flow of steam).

    http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/s...lit-steam-tap/

    Ill update the link with a picture when I get a chance.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Yes the Steam tap is what Im interested in. BTW, the "discounter" is a third party individual not some business entity.

    JetBlack, do you have a photo of this part? Also Im in Washington State-US. Do you ship international? Costs?
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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Agreed it was a bit harsh Jon - the fluid measurement in ounces was a bit of a giveaway that buying the machine from a sponsor most likely wasnt an option - good luck IDGE, jetblack espresso or talk coffee might be able to help.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Bringing back an old thread but it was the best I could do with the search function.

    I have a Lelit with said leaky steam wand.

    I have the part with me, Im just wondering if someone can help me with the procedure to remove the knob off the old steam tap to fit it onto the new tap. It looks as though it would have a retainer clip, but I cant access the part of the shaft that it would clip into. Also tried a direct pull (no twist as the flat side would stop that).

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 74767F7328281E0 link=1290293289/33#33 date=1308825518
    Bringing back an old thread but it was the best I could do with the search function.

    I have a Lelit with said leaky steam wand.

    I have the part with me, Im just wondering if someone can help me with the procedure to remove the knob off the old steam tap to fit it onto the new tap. It looks as though it would have a retainer clip, but I cant access the part of the shaft that it would clip into. Also tried a direct pull (no twist as the flat side would stop that).

    Cheers,
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    The only way I could get the knob off mine was to actually screw the old one in half way, get my finger in between the black knob and the chassis, and pull hard...and I mean HARD.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Does it have a grub screw holding it onto the shaft? Look for a small hole in the side of the knob, the grub screws usually need an allen key.

    Cheers

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    No grub screw on any of these to my knowledge, just a brass shaft with a flat side. Unless yours is evil and glued or loctited in, a bit of unscrewing then a pull combined with a gentle sideways wiggle should dislodge it.

    Resist the temptation to prize it off with a screwdriver, chances are youll just scratch the steel or break the plastic...

    Also Im pretty sure you could never run the boiler dry with a dripping steam wand (unless the steam switch is on!), as the exit for the steam valve is level with the top of the element. In this case gravity is your friend.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Thanks, I contacted the company that I purchased it from and he suggested gentle levering with the shaft of a screwdriver, with a caution to take it easy and work it slowly. I will put it in a vice instead of leaving it in the machine.

    Just as added assurance the boiler also has a thermo switch to help save the element in the event of the boiler being dry. I know this because my wife left the steam on when she left for the day. Came home to a cold machine. The dealer said that if it happened more than twice it would irreparably damage the element.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    I hate to bring up this old chestnut again but has there been any progress. I dont want to touch mine while it is still under warranty.

    We have a clever CSer onto this one and hope to have a better solution in the not too distant future.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Quote Originally Posted by 6070667E717274130 link=1290293289/38#38 date=1310307155
    I hate to bring up this old chestnut again but has there been any progress.
    Fraid not gb,

    It was consigned to the too [s]hard[/s] expensive basket. Its easier to just replace the needle valve.

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    Thanks anyway Chris, Ill see what the brains trust can come up with...

    G.

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    Re: Steam wand leakage on Lelit

    Looks like you really did work on this Greybeard!
    I am really hoping this is the quickfix that were all looking for.* Thanks for giving it a real think!

    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1311237977/0#8

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    Hi all,

    I hope that this thread is still alive, noticed that the last reply was on the 22nd of July last year. Anyway, I have bought a Lelit PL042EM last saturday and noticed that the steam wand is leaking some water every time I make espresso. I thought the newer version of Lelit has fixed all this problem. Now, the drip is not too bad, perhaps average between 5-8 drips everytime I make coffee. The lady from the store assured me that it is a normal thing, happens to every coffee machine and I should not be alarmed but I thought I ask you guys anyways. Is this something that starts leaking little by little and gets worse later on?

    PS I don't think i have over tightened the knob.

    Thanks.



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