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    Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

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    Hi All, Im looking to buy my first Coffee Machine and have found two in my price range ($650 - 800):
    (1) Sunbeam Cafe Series Espresso Machine EM6910 (which currently comes with a free Sunbeam burr grinder) and;
    (2) Breville Fresco Espresso Machine BMF600. with onboard grinder.
    To be honest ive only used my friends Gaggia a handful of times so am not sure which way to go; or if i am going in the wrong direction completely. So any suggestions/opinions would be greatly appreciated!! :)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    If I was looking and had that price range Id go up an extra $50 and get this http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/lelit-combi-pl042e/ :)

    Oh and if you are thinking that the HN deal of 3 months free coffee is good, I wouldnt do it :)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    I have had a Breville Fresca BES860 (BMF600 is a milk frother) for a few months now and am very happy with it. My inbuilt grinder produces a fine enough grind for espressso without modification.* It has built in accurate temperature control and you dont have to wait hours for it to heat up properly as you would with a boiler machine.* I want my coffee when I want my coffee and dont want to wait for a boiler to heat up! Above all it produces a consistently good coffee with fresh beans.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    I dont have to wait
    Quote Originally Posted by 785F4E5D4E631F132B0 link=1304136827/2#2 date=1304142916
    I have had a Breville Fresca BES860 (BMF600 is a milk frother) for a few months now and am very happy with it. My inbuilt grinder produces a fine enough grind for espressso without modification.* It has built in accurate temperature control and you dont have to wait hours for it to heat up properly as you would with a boiler machine.* I want my coffee when I want my coffee and dont want to wait for a boiler to heat up! Above all it produces a consistently good coffee with fresh beans.
    sticking up for boiler machines :) I dont have to wait hours to warm up my lelit :) Im fine after 15 min, or less frankly

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    out of the two listed, sunbeam and grinder for sure. Had mine 3 years now and its been great (for a basic machine). fast warm up, and ability to steam and brew at the same time is great. Probably the better of the cheap machines. I think they are only about $500 these days. Mind you, a silvia is under $700 now

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    I think they jacked up the price for the Sunbeam by $100 RRP...
    one of the big dept stores starting with the letter M has the em6910 and em0480 grinder for $719 at the moment. Is that price any good?

    The cheapest Ive seen for the em6910 by itself $675
    HN and Bing in the $720 plus mark for just the machine by itself. Hopeless.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5E425A475B5B41280 link=1304136827/3#3 date=1304143376
    Im fine after 15 min, or less frankly

    Thats 14 minutes and 30 seconds too long for me I am afraid! ;)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 14332231220F737F470 link=1304136827/6#6 date=1304144734
    Quote Originally Posted by 5E425A475B5B41280 link=1304136827/3#3 date=1304143376
    Im fine after 15 min, or less frankly

    Thats 14 minutes and 30 seconds too long for me I am afraid! ;)
    oh well. Horses for courses then I guess :)

    Still think the op would be doing themself a disservice not to consider all the options

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Thanks everyone!! Oops.. I was talking about the Bessie (BES860), i realised after looking at the reviews. My fault for copying the ticket at Myer and not looking at the packaging! Ive found the Sunbeam with grinder for $649 which seems okay. The Lelit Combi which shapeshifter suggested looks like a great machine too. However with accessories and extended warrenty im looking at $1000 + :-[
    P.S: Not at all temped by the free coffee for 3 months at HN. So much for the coffee demonstration too.. They were only showing Nespresso machines. Do not want! :-/

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Depending on just what you want, Id go the 6910 over the Breville, but mainly because Im over small group baskets, 58mm vs 53mm is a no contest issue.

    The Sunbeams are being dealt out cheap now, so probably a better bargain that ever, I got a Lelit myself, but already had a grinder, to be honest Id have likely been happy with either a 6910 or the Lelit, your mixing and matching flaws and benefits in these price ranges, in my mind nothing you get will be spot on, but most will all make good coffee by what I have seen.

    At the end of a day though, good grinder and less than 2 week old beans are what matters.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 547F737B6D531E0 link=1304136827/4#4 date=1304144159
    out of the two listed, sunbeam and grinder for sure. Had mine 3 years now and its been great (for a basic machine). fast warm up, and ability to steam and brew at the same time is great
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6D767F6E7B6D7677786A7B6C1E0 link=1304136827/1#1 date=1304139285
    If I was looking and had that price range Id go up an extra $50 and get this http://www.jetblackespresso.com.au/shop/p/lelit-combi-pl042e/
    +1

    The Lelit may last longer than the Sunbeam, but providing you use and maintain it properly, the Sunbeam should last you quite some time. :)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B707C74625C110 link=1304136827/4#4 date=1304144159
    Mind you, a silvia is under $700 now
    Where can I get one for this price? One of the sponsors?
    Cheers,
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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4645454453200 link=1304136827/11#11 date=1304149087
    Quote Originally Posted by 5B707C74625C110 link=1304136827/4#4 date=1304144159
    Mind you, a silvia is under $700 now
    Where can I get one for this price?* One of the sponsors?
    Cheers,
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    I got mine for just over $700 a few months ago from Coffee-A-Roma if your in Melbourne and highly recommend it!

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 17332932173B29325A0 link=1304136827/8#8 date=1304146040
    The Lelit Combi ...with accessories and extended warrenty...
    The Lelits are closer to "coffee machine" than "kitchen appliance" and Im not sure the risks make extended warranty as essential as with the others on your list.

    They should also last a lot longer (decades rather than years according to Alan Frew) and have better resale value if you get hooked and want to upgrade.

    Downside is they look closer to industrial rather than kitchen appliance.

    Quote Originally Posted by 092E3F2C3F126E625A0 link=1304136827/6#6 date=1304144734
    Quote Originally Posted by 5E425A475B5B41280 link=1304136827/3#3 date=1304143376
    Im fine after 15 min, or less frankly
    Thats 14 minutes and 30 seconds too long for me I am afraid! ;)
    Even boiling the jug for instant takes longer than 30s* ::)* I dont think the relationship between quality and temperature stability or the laws of thermodynamics are on your side* ;)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 29393B283F235A0 link=1304136827/13#13 date=1304217735
    Even boiling the jug for instant takes longer than 30s* Roll Eyes* I dont think the relationship between quality and temperature stability or the laws of thermodynamics are on your side
    My BES860* is up to temp and ready for action, from cold, in 45 seconds.* Laws of thermodynamics are on my side - low thermal inertia (dont have to heat up a whole boilerful of water just for one cup).!* Temperature stability is first class, just a quick burst of hot water to pre-heat the group head and Im away.* Added to that I dont have to leave the darn thing switched on all day* wasting electricity. :)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 77504152416C101C240 link=1304136827/14#14 date=1304225020
    My BES860* is up to temp and ready for action, from cold, in 45 seconds.* Laws of thermodynamics are on my side - low thermal inertia (dont have to heat up a whole boilerful of water just for one cup).!* Temperature stability is first class, just a quick burst of hot water to pre-heat the group head and Im away.* Added to that I dont have to leave the darn thing switched on all day* wasting electricity.
    WOW! The only espresso machine in the world that is at full temp in 45 secs!!*

    I would get the em6910 over the BES860.* But then I would get a Silvia or Lelit instead of the Sunbeam even if they dont heat up in 45 seconds.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    It sems that there are some strange people on this website who like to make snide comments - they seem to have a problem with any view other than their own. Not nice!

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Im sorry if I offended. I will try and say it nice :)
    I think that the general opinion would be that all machines would benifit from a warm up period. Say 20 minutes or so. Just because the stand by light goes off does not mean that the machine is at its optimum temp. Otherwise a Silvia would be ready to use in less then 1- 2 minutes after switching on, which you could, if average extraction was all that you wanted.
    I just think that the, I dont want to wait for my machine to warm up is a small issue that gets way to much negative hype.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    When the machine is ready (after 45 seconds - and this machine does have PID temperature control) then the thermoblock aint going to get any hotter.* Running the pump for a short time will bring ensuing plumbing up to temperature, and the heating element is obviously sufficiently powerful to maintain water temperature - I really see no point in allowing any more time for whole machine to get hot, unless you really want to warm cups on it.*

    It produces excellent coffee within a minute of switching on - what more do I need to say?

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B6C7D6E7D502C20180 link=1304136827/18#18 date=1304231180
    It produces excellent coffee within a minute of switching on - what more do I need to say?
    A car will start up instantly when you switch it on, Im assuming with yours you rev the crap out of it and drive it as hard as possible from the second its running?.

    There is likely at least dozen guys I have seen on this forum, who have the equipment and in depth knowledge to prove you wrong, Id be stopping before you look any more silly...

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0A2D3C2F3C116D61590 link=1304136827/18#18 date=1304231180
    It produces excellent coffee within a minute of switching on - what more do I need to say?
    One thing Ive learnt on my coffee journey is that my definition of excellent coffee keeps being reset :)

    But then perhaps Breville have wasted squillions developing their new machine.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 332321322539400 link=1304136827/20#20 date=1304234304
    But then perhaps Breville have wasted squillions developing their new machine.

    Not at all - its horses for courses, surely? I am not claiming the BES 860 is the best machine in the World, but it suits my needs, budget and lifestyle - and it does produce excellent coffee, obviously not good enough for your finely tuned palate, but excellent for plebs such as me. Sheesh, I am starting to get sick of some attitudes here.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 587F6E7D6E433F330B0 link=1304136827/21#21 date=1304237385
    Sheesh, I am starting to get sick of some attitudes here.
    To many snobs on this site.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7F424646522B0 link=1304136827/22#22 date=1304239052
    [s]To[/s] Too many snobs on this site.
    ;)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6458455E545542575F54300 link=1304136827/23#23 date=1304248142
    Quote Originally Posted by 7F424646522B0 link=1304136827/22#22 date=1304239052
    [s]To[/s] Too many snobs on this site.
    * ;)
    I had a laugh... Nice pick up TG. Would you mind also giving your regular spiel to correct the false assumptions made above, that any machine can extract a quality shot of espresso less than 1 minute from switch-on. ;D

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 77504152416C101C240 link=1304136827/21#21 date=1304237385
    Sheesh, I am starting to get sick of some attitudes here.
    Surely it wouldnt hurt for some introspective self analysis of your own attitude mate... :-?

    There isnt an espresso machine manufactured to date that is capable of delivering great coffee (from a true coffee snobs perspective) from a machine that has only been allowed 45 seconds to heat up. Theres a lot more to an espresso machine than just the boiler/thermoblock to heat up to an acceptable operating temperature, not the least of which is the entire Group and Group Handle metal mass. If any of this mass is at a temperature less than that of the boiler/t-block, it will suck the transiting waters temperature down to some number considerably less than ideal.

    You would find that allowing your machine to warm-up properly, for about half-an-hour, using freshly roasted, high quality coffee only ground immediately before loading into the filter basket has the potential to deliver some of the best coffee you may ever experience. Providing your technique is sound...

    Mal.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C7B6A796A473B370F0 link=1304136827/21#21 date=1304237385
    Sheesh, I am starting to get sick of some attitudes here.
    As long as youre happy with drinking coffee from a machine that has less than a minute to warm up then thats all that matters, at the end of the day.

    The fact remains, as Mal has explained so well, your machine will not operate optimally after such a short time. Its not a matter of opinion, its fact.

    The forum is an great source of information and my learning curve has been enourmous since joining.* Most of us found our way here because we wanted to become more educated about coffee and learn from those with more knowledge than ourselves.*
    I think that is the right attitude to have here.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Well Mal, firstly I am not your mate.
    Secondly I run hot water through the group prior to get it up to temp. - thats close enough for me.*
    Thirdly I roast my own beans from a high quality source (CS).
    Fourthly, I dont want to be part of a Rolls Royce car club when I drive a Hyundai - I am out of here - I learned a lot from the site but I just dont like the elitist attitudes of some.* The number of new posters whose first post starts with the words "go easy on me" must say something!!





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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Calm down princess.* *A lot of the first posts start with the words "go easy on me" because the mods created a sandpit with that name for people not familiar with forums to start in.

    I think youll find very little real elitism here and the so called snobbery (apart from being a place) is very much tongue in cheek.

    But the focus is always on getting the best coffee we can afford in time or money.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    When I joined this site, I owned a DeLonghi el cheapo machine. I was about to update to a Gaggia Baby and was looking for more info. A couple of upgrades later and I have one of the elitist machines. I can, from experience, say that the upgrade is worth it. I have the Giotto Premium Plus on a timer so it is ready to go by the time I want coffee.

    If you have satisfaction from your equipment, thats great. I had good coffee from my DeLonghi as well but nowhere near as good as what I have now.

    But I also have a $30 dripper coffee maker and it gives me some of the best coffee I ever had and its ready to go in 5 mins prep time.

    The OP has their own decision to make and Im sure they will be happy to have either machine and enjoy coffee from either. But Mishmash was asking for guidance. Thats what (s)he was offered, but Im sure (s)he could do without the invective - from anyone. We can all justify our choices of equipment. Its not a competition.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 634E4A464B270 link=1304136827/25#25 date=1304259903
    Quote Originally Posted by 77504152416C101C240 link=1304136827/21#21 date=1304237385
    Sheesh, I am starting to get sick of some attitudes here.
    Surely it wouldnt hurt for some introspective self analysis of your own attitude mate... :-?

    There isnt an espresso machine manufactured to date that is capable of delivering great coffee (from a true coffee snobs perspective) from a machine that has only been allowed 45 seconds to heat up. Theres a lot more to an espresso machine than just the boiler/thermoblock to heat up to an acceptable operating temperature, not the least of which is the entire Group and Group Handle metal mass. If any of this mass is at a temperature less than that of the boiler/t-block, it will suck the transiting waters temperature down to some number considerably less than ideal.

    You would find that allowing your machine to warm-up properly, for about half-an-hour, using freshly roasted, high quality coffee only ground immediately before loading into the filter basket has the potential to deliver some of the best coffee you may ever experience. Providing your technique is sound...

    Mal.
    I am with Mal on that one. Thermoblock or not, the best chance of even approaching a good shot is with a warm machine and that means the group and portafilter are at "idle" temperature and have been for some time.

    Cup quality is in the eye of the beholder, but there are plenty here who have been around coffee for a long time and are long past thermoblocks. Its prudent to listen to those like Mal who know rather than attempt to force patently incorrect information down the throats of those seeking advice.* :-?

    Steve- have a decaf or try a chill pill buddy. Its not a p!ssing contest here. We are here to learn and educate. You too are on a learning curve. As I read it so far, yours are the only negative posts in this thread. ::)

    MishMash,

    I think that the general consensus here would be the Sunbeam will possibly be easiest for you, but do look after it or you may find it spends more time being repaired than in operation. I suspect that a Lelit or Silvia (when used correctly) will be kicking around long after the appliances have gone to the big knock box in the sky.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 77504152416C101C240 link=1304136827/27#27 date=1304286398
    I am out of here - I learned a lot from the site

    Looks like you have learnt as much as you want to learn. ;)

    Sunbeam Cafe Series Espresso Machine EM6910
    (which currently comes with a free Sunbeam burr grinder)
    Out of the two that you have shortlisted this would be my pick. When you upgrade to a new machine you wont have to do the grinder straight away, or conversely you can upgrade your grinder and keep the espresso machine.

    I started out on a combi machine (Rancilio Lucy) and have no regrets, I was in the fortunate position that I could upgrade my entire kit all in one go. If you think you may need to make incremental gains as finances permit then get separate grinder and espresso machine.

    If this one is for keeps then up your budget and get a Lelit or Rancilio and they will last pretty much forever rather than the one or two years you would expect from Sunbeam and Breville.


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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    My experience with the Em6910 is that it can make excellent coffee and after a relatively short amount of time it is pretty easy to do (provided you take advantage of info like that on this site and/or the training course provided with the machine). However, it does have a history of questionable reliability - I dont know if anyone here knows how prevalent this problem is. It tends to look enormous if you go by this site and others, but people dont tend to post so often when things are going great* ;).

    I would also warn that the new one I recently acquired after a warranty issue has a shower screen with significantly less holes in it than my original machine. I have never managed to get an excellent shot with this screen. I recently got hold of and old-style screen and all is well again. I posted a question regarding this a while ago but no one has commented.

    As to warm-up, my experience has been that you can get a good shot (not excellent) with the em6910 without waiting 20 or so mins provided you pre-heat the pf (by running the shot pump a couple of times until the pf feels almost too hot to touch) and of course you need to make sure the cups are warm. Give it 20 mins and you get a definite improvement IMHO.

    As to price, regardless of specials I would highly recommend the usual pushing for best price and ringing around - saved me over $100 even with advertised specials. This is a big volume retail machine were talking about, there is room to move.

    Good luck with your deliberartions :)

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F28392A391468645C0 link=1304136827/27#27 date=1304286398
    Well Mal, firstly I am not your mate.
    Steve I picked on ryjodals spelling an an attempt to lighten the mood. The above quote seems to show you still have an attitude of your own.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F28392A391468645C0 link=1304136827/27#27 date=1304286398
    Secondly I run hot water through the group prior to get it up to temp. - thats close enough for me.*
    Fair enough. Youre drinking it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0F28392A391468645C0 link=1304136827/27#27 date=1304286398
    Fourthly, I dont want to be part of a Rolls Royce car club when I drive a Hyundai - I am out of here
    There are plenty of members here with Hyundais not Royces and it would be a shame if you left in a huff.

    I teach karate but I tell all my students that I can only teach those who want to learn.
    A good day to me is one when I learn something.

    What the others have said above about temperature stability is correct.
    Running a little hot water through the group head isnt enough.
    My machine is on a timer and occasionally Ive forgotten the time and found the machine has been off for say 30 minutes.
    The boiler gets back up to temp and pressure within a minute and the group still feels hot BUT experience has shown me that the resultant shot from the machine, water flush and all, is not the best it can produce.
    I can even see the difference in the pour.

    Now if I find myself in the same situation I wait at least 30 minutes (in the mornings it switches on an hour before I have my first coffee).

    Take a deep breath grasshopper (try not to take that the wrong way) and stick around; its a long, never ending journey.



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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 64435241527F030F370 link=1304136827/18#18 date=1304231180
    It produces excellent coffee within a minute of switching on - what more do I need to say?
    Is it at all possible that all the opinions voiced here are in fact correct (with a little perspective added)?

    The Breville can produce *what Steve considers to be* an excellent coffee within 45 seconds.* Cant argue with that fact, as Steve has confirmed as much.

    Fact 2 - any machine thats been on for 45 seconds, is not going to produce as good a coffee as the same machine if its left on for 20 minutes before pulling a shot.* I dont doubt the more experienced and technically minded when they say this is the case.* As a result, I turn my trusty little Ikon on before I go and jump in the shower in the morning to give it a little time to get up to temp, even thought the light is on within about 2 mins.

    I must say, Im with Steve to a point.* The advice given here is excellent, and on the money in general, but sometimes puts the newish user on a fairly steep learning curve.* But ultimately, while opinions and experiece levels differ, most are here to be helpful, not to belittle, and I think it would benefit all to keep this point in mind.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Maybe somebody should move most of this to a thread on warm up times?

    Surely you could shorten the necessary warm-up time by flushing water through the group? What about flush-wait-flush-wait to warm of the group in 5 minutes instead of 20?

    I recently picked up an old Gaggia Classic and Ive been experimenting with turning on the steam switch for a while (and sometimes steaming milk) then flushing water through the group to heat the group and cool the boiler to a brewing temperature. Im still getting used to the machine so its too soon to tell how well this is working.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6E6B67636F64623D0A0 link=1304136827/34#34 date=1304298643
    The Breville can produce *what Steve considers to be* an excellent coffee within 45 seconds. Cant argue with that fact, as Steve has confirmed as much.
    Id see that as an opinion, rather than fact. :-?

    What may be a fact is that many here might well find the result undrinkable....

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B7776797636777A6A717D76180 link=1304136827/35#35 date=1304303045
    Surely you could shorten the necessary warm-up time by flushing water through the group? What about flush-wait-flush-wait to warm of the group in 5 minutes instead of 20?
    Absolutely you could speed up the process.* Like many of us on here, I turn on my machine as soon as I wake up, on my way to the bathroom.* By the time I have a shower, dress, make lunches, play with my son, etc itís usually been a good 45 mins so definitely at an optimal temperature.* Similar thing when I get to work, turn on the machine as soon as I get in and itís nice and warm by morning tea time.

    It may not sound environmentally friendly but I tend to offset that in other lifestyle choicesÖ.good coffee is just too damn important!

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 17222F281C002C25252626430 link=1304136827/36#36 date=1304303726
    Id see that as an opinion, rather than fact.*
    In fairness, Im yet to see anyone produce what I would consider hard facts to back up either side of this argument.*

    Plenty of statements on the effects of thermal mass, and personal testimony relating to coffee drinking experience etc, that all combine to a logical and rational enough argument to have convinced me... but if were after actual facts directly measuring the results in the cup, Im not sure Ive seen any!

    A lot of the opinions stated (as fact) are based more on personal tastes and level of experience than anything else... but I think were getting off topic.

    To get this somewhat back on topic, I would suggest that you (MishMash) dont underplay the resale/reliability aspect.* You may spend considerably more on a Silvia/Lelit, but if you decide coffee was a passing fad OR conversely get upgraditis earlier than expected, you will get much better resale on such a machine... not to forget it should outlast a Sunbeam/Breville a number of times over...*

    As much as I have been happy with my Breville (for the $ it cost me as my first machine), this will be a definite consideration when it comes time to upgrade.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6164686C606B6D32050 link=1304136827/38#38 date=1304317551
    Plenty of statements on the effects of thermal mass, and personal testimony relating to coffee drinking experience etc, that all combine to a logical and rational enough argument to have convinced me... but if were after actual facts directly measuring the results in the cup, Im not sure Ive seen any!
    Yes, I agree. With respect, some of the obvious and unnecessary baiting should have been replaced with clearer arguments or at least some evidence, IMHO.

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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D747B72717A72150 link=1304136827/39#39 date=1304320918
    Yes, I agree. With respect, some of the obvious and unnecessary baiting should have been replaced with clearer arguments or at least some evidence, IMHO
    I wasnt baiting when I said that old mate had the only espresso machine in the world that heated up in less than a minute, I was trying to emphasize that he may have been exaggerating a bit. He wasnt, and I was nice back and left it at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by 46617063705D212D150 link=1304136827/2#2 date=1304142916
    It has built in accurate temperature control and you dont have to wait hours for it to heat up properly as you would with a boiler machine.
    Hours to heat up? Not that long for a Silvia/Lelit. There is evidence and clear arguments on the value of allowing a machine to heat properly.

    I had a Breville. If I turned it on and ran some water through the group and then pulled a shot it would blonde very early. I found the shots were better after the machine had been heated.

    The Breville was okay but I would go for the em6910 if it were me.
    Heat it for 45 seconds or leave it on all day, its up to you. :)


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    Re: Which machine to buy? A Sunbeam or Breville?

    Thank you for everyones comments and feedback. There is definitely a wealth of knowledge on this site and I am really looking forward to learning more about the big bad world of coffee :) After much deliberation, I have decided to go with the Sunbeam... And so far so good, except i need to get my hands on some quality beans. And as great as the Lelit sounded (and looked) it was slightly out of my price range. Maybe once i learn more and get a whole heap of practice in, ill be able to upgrade my machine. Cheers again all!!



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